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Episode 6 · 2 years ago

Women's Tennis - Episode 5

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The host, Hamish MacCorquodale, is once again joined by his younger brother, Campbell, and new guest to the show, Josh Brown, to talk all things women's tennis in the past decade including a breakdown of our individual top 10 players.

Cheese. He's settle. Welcome back to episode five be on the ball podcast. Today I have two guests with me. First of all, my little brother, Campbell. He's back. Hello, and a new guest to the to the PODCAST, Josh Brown. Welcome, hello, happy to be here. So that's say you're the second non family guest, so quite the honored and Campbell's back. He's got it. He's got a range of interest, Campbell, from marvel movies to women's tennis. So I do. I'm a complex guy. All right. So I just gave a little spoiler there, but we are talking about women's tennis today. Given that it's two thousand and twenty, we have just obviously finished a decade. So we have gone and ranked our top ten. Well, who we think is the top ten best women's tennis players of that decade? So just talk a bit, a little bit about your tennis fanship, Brownie. How big of the Tennis Fan of you? I'm a very big tennis fan, I must say. I've been following the two are pretty closely, on both the men's and women's side, since probably the start of the probably around two thousand and ten or two thousand and eleven. When I started following it closely. So say that I've a pretty decent knowledge of the events of the last decade. been following it pretty closely. So, yeah, it was really interesting to look back and assess, see what's happened and try rank them. Quite a difficult task, to be honest. took me a while, but I've got there. Yeah, I'm enjoyed as well. Cam, how about you? How big into tennis are you? Well, I go on and off with tennis, but I'm more off like the female side of tennis, because I find the female side very much more interesting, because the men's is ruled by Nadal, Djokovic and federal. So I find that there's always those wild wild card female tennis players that can sometimes get into the finals and win, like Kennon did this year. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a crazy sport, women's tennis. It's almost completely different to the men's tennis landscape at the moment, as you were saying, domino dominated by three people. So we're just going to go through. We're going to start at number ten and work our way down to number one. We all have made our separate list, but I assume they're going to be pretty similar. So when one of US brings up one of the players, we will just say where we rank them and why we ranked them there, and so on, so forth. So let's just get started. So, camed you want to start us off with your number ten, mate? Sure, my number ten was an early decade pick. Her name is Kim cloisters. Yeah, she racked up two Grand Slam wins. She got she won that Australian Open in two thousand and eleven and she also won the US Open. Unfortunately she had some injury so she had to leave the game, but she did come back this year. Not She didn't do as well this year, but I thought she played very well for the time that she was in her peak and she smashed the competition, winning a title in two thousand and ten and winning a title in Two Thousand and eleven. Do you have her Brownie? No, she just missed out. She was actually my number eleven. Number Eleven pick my honor. She was going to be my honorable mention. I just couldn't like she had the two Grand Slams, which...

...you know. Yeah, there's not ten of them. We have to grand slams in the decade. That's for sure. But the fact that she retired probably halfway through two thousand and twelve only actually played for a quarter of the decade, I found it struggled to reward her over someone who maybe didn't have as many didn't have the Grand Slam credentials as she did, but had the consistency over the entire decade. So, yeah, that's why I left her out. Yeah, pretty similar. Like I am willing to accept she was probably better in two thousand and ten, eleven and twelve than some of my people in my top ten. Sure, but yeah, I just kind of favored longevity and yeah, but I can definitely see how she was in there. She was. I just made this list before and I had about a list of twenty five and I just cut out the people who weren't going to make my ten and she was like third down on the list that got cut. So she would have been around my twelve or thirteen. Yeah, I see how she was your number ten. She had. She was pretty dominant in those early few years of this down in two thousand and ten, twenty Leven. She was definitely one of the top runners when it came to the Grand Slams. She did hold the number one ranking for one week in the death yeah, probably couldn't topple like Serena and Sharipe over and stuff, but yeah, she had so, as you said, she had the two Grand Slam wins. She also had a WTA end of Year Championship win and she also had a cheeky premier mandatory and premier five victory. So Nice little resume she had there. For sure would be in the top ten for the decade previous though, because she performed consistently over that entire decade. Pretty much. It's one of the top players. So missed out of the MISSEDUFF for me on this one, but definitely be in the two thousand one. So yeah, obviously, like shattered, tennis is not on in the moment for many reasons, but Kim classes return. It was actually one of the main reasons why I was shattered because she added a tough start to the return in terms of like who she had to face. But I was keen to see how she went. Yeah, the rest of the year. But yes, not to be maybe she'll be back next year if it assumed is going to not return to a next year. But yeah, yeah, it's doing there. Who Do you have it number ten, Ber Annie. I have Agnesca at once. Go At my number ten. She was just super consistent over the decade. She was never number one, one of the few people in my top ten and every got to number one, and also the only person in my top ten who didn't win a Grand Slam. So that's why I was tossing and turning over her and classics because a can yes, you had the red ONCECA had the consistency over the entire decade. She was in the top ten. I think she was in the top ten, ended for the end of year six years in a row and made a grant, made a grandson final, world number two twice, two separate occasions, and also top ten six years in a row. So I ended up just rewarding that. She also wanted world to a finals and five premier mandatory or five titles. So yeah, I gave her the number ten spot over class it's just because of that consistency over the large portion of the last decade. Yeah, she was my number nine pretty much the same reason. Just consistent. I'd say I'd compare her to like a David Frere in the men's game. Like, yeah, was always good enough to easily win like international tournaments and always like be up there for premier tournaments, but when it came to like the Grand Slams and stuff, she didn't really quite have it in her to like beat the powerful players like, yeah, Sarna Williams or like even Patrick. A bit of a but yeah, genuine legend of the game, probably a personal favorite as well. Yeah, same to me as well. I think she won Abha shot of the year maybe like five or six years in a row, always producing some entertaining shots. Yeah, and it's pretty impressive how she had...

...such a good career and I feel like her first her average first serve speed would have been something like one fifty or four. Yeah, so she's didn't have too much side or strength, but she's very skillful player and deserving of her spot in this list. So she was mine. Number nine. Did you have her can or not? No, she was, I think she was. I had fourteen female tennis players because I was just writing names down the female tennis plays. I remembered that did really well. Yeah, she just missed out. She would have been an honorable mention. Yeah, it's it just, I think with her just depends how strongly you take grand slams because obviously, yeah, as you were saying, classes had to run funds. Guys Zero, which is quite a big difference for a lot of people. But yeah, for me she was enough, she did enough and was consistent enough to get in the top ten. So she was my nine, your ten, Brownie, Yep. So now my ten. I actually didn't think this lady was going to make my ten, but just the stats can't really lie. I had got in yard Murger Roofer, yes, just of Spain. She her highest ranking was number one. She was only there for four weeks, so just a short little vacation at the number one spot. She pretty much played the whole decade. She turned pro march two thousand and twelve, so she's pretty much a mainstay. Her ranking has fluctuated quite a bit. She's been up and down like a Yoyo, but at a at a prime she had. She came third, I think it was in two thousand and sixteen year and ranking she was third, and then two thousand and eighteen she was like second or something. So she had a couple really good years in there. She had two Grand Slam victories, which I think one at Wimbledon and one French Open. Yeah, yeah, when was last year? What should Wimbledon was last year? We will didn't was. I want to say no, last year it was two thousand and seventeen. I want to say maybe pay and sixteen meets Serene Williams in the final. Yeah, that was an appressive scuff. Yeah, that you're are twenty seventeen and then the French was two thousand and sixteen. So you could probably say that's definitely when she was peeking. But then she made the final this year of the odds open, so she might be back. I think she got a new coach or something. She's brought her old coach back. So the coach the broader to the two Grand Slam titles she left hasn't had her as a coach for a couple of years and then just brought her back the start of this year and and then she made the final the Australian Open. So probably a good decision considering her lack of form the last year or two. Yes, so she's definitely a big tournament player like she is made to well, she's one two grand slams and made a final and also been knocked out out of in the semis it another one. But she's only one two premier, minitary, premier five and she doesn't have a single final appearance in a premier tournament. And she is one three international tournaments on the tour, which is not bad, but it's compared to some of the other people in this list, is not as good. So she is dominant in the big tournaments, a bit like the Williams sisters, but doesn't really grind on the tour like some of the others. But yeah, so she made my ten. I was very shocked, to be honest. I didn't think she was going to make it, but yeah, she did. Yeah, I had muguruss mind number nine. So Oh, yeah, yeah, so we had just ruld on screen. Mugers a swopped around there. I just thought the reasoning was just red one school was more consistent that Mugurus are definitely over the decade. But those two Grand Slam titles just got got her over the line for me, and also getting the number one ranking, which is something that would once got...

...also doesn't have. So yeah, I just got Mo feels tight, but Muguru's Mugurus are just got over it. One score for me in the end and Mugurus are, I reckon definitely could have been up higher if she had been able. She didn't even don't even need to have any more Grand Slam titles looking at the rest of the players. But if you just keep if she was consistently in the top ten throughout the last five years rather than fluctuating, she could be up there on the top five, but just due to some inconsistencies, just down at number nine for me. Yeah, all right, so can did you have Murgur user in the mix or not at all? Know she was actually Kim and Mugurus are. We're actually changing between the number ten spot, but I just picked Kim because her consistency, even though she had injury, her consistency in the first three years of the decade. We're better than has over the ten years because she had random most stats. Yeah, random point. I actually think murder US was Kim's first match on her comeback. Yeah, this is true. Yeah, it was in like the in jubile Dohar, one of those. Yeah, so came. You're on for the Mugurus a right here. Moving on to your number nine. HAS HAVE WE mentioned? No or no? She is a later in the decade. Big Star in the tennis scene these days. Yes, she made a splash with capturing her first wa tailor at the Indian Wells in two thousand and eighteen, and surely after that she became the center of attention. I am obviously talking about Naomi oh soccer. She won met she won consecutive majors and two thousand and eighteen she won the US Open and then shortly after that she won the two thousand and nineteen Australian Open and she was the first ever Japanese, her first ever Japanese, to become the first Asian man or woman to reach number one in singles. So I thought she just no one, no one really knew her in the start of the decade, but once she won that Indian wells she kind of just became the center of the center of attention in the female tennis scene. And if winning those consecutive majors really put her up in that podium and kept her at number one for quite a while until ash party came along. Did you guys have her? No, she I'll be honest. She wasn't even too close to my like to my list, but that was more because I used the start of like their median average end of year ranking bridge. So that didn't favor her because obviously someone who started in about two thousand and fifteen, she had a few years there where she was pretty high in the rankings. So that kind of wasn't favorable in the way I looked at her. But very similar resume to Murgur USA really. She's, yeah, very similar. She she doesn't want to see she hasn't made the final of a single doubga international tournament and she's only one one premier. So yeah, definitely. She did have twenty five, twenty five weeks at number one, which doesn't favor her over. Yeah, Magarusa. Yeah, who I'm actually going to say party. To be honest, when you were no, party was very close. Body was very close to my list. But she has. She's just very, very recent and she's just very recently spiked. HMM. Yeah, I considered a soccer at the beginning, but then because she has two Grand Slam so to Grand Slams get them on the radar for me. But because she's only been in the really she already entered the top ten and two thousand and eighteen and at the very end of the year she's only spent about it just over a year in the top...

...ten and if no, she had a stitch number one. There very impressive end of two thousand and eighteen. Started two thousand and nineteen. It was just over even a shorter period of time than clisters. So I couldn't find. I don't this. You're in our top ten for me. Two Thousand and twenty Australian Open. She didn't do the best, sin to have a very good performance, I may say. Yeah, she's a bit of a hidden Miss Player really. Yes, I yeah, a lot of these top level women are because they're like big, strong servers, strong players. So they can they got strong forehand, even like even like Serena, who obviously going to talk about later. There they win a lot of tournaments, but they do are very prone to an early exit. So I do think like a SOAKA's a genuine household name. Now, like I know it probably took a lot of the lime light away from her, the whole Serena thing in two thousand and eighteen US Open. Yeah, but I actually almost think that kind of made a more famous, because everyone was like feeling sorry for and thought she was like a bit of a legend. For the way she handled it and then she just went Bam and won the two thousand and nineteen. I was open. So from watching I think that, you know, there's been a lot of single grand slam winners over the past five or six seven years in the WTA. So when she won that first Grand Slam, it was all like, you know, your Lena Ostapenko also won one Grand Slam and Flo of your pine one one Grand Slam. So like people in for the W ch a, people take the one Grand Slam victory with a bit of a it's just just a one hit wonder from them. Yeah, that's I feel like that's what most people would doe down. And when she came at one, the second one, two in a row, that's when people really thought, okay, this is someone that is really going to be the top of the game for a while. Yeah, so now she's aught. Like in Australia we probably see bodies like the pin up girl, woman's tennis, but worldwide I would probably almost argue right now to soccer. Yeah, possible. I do think ASAKA's probably that the girl now, but I feel like over the next tour, whenever that will be, I feel like body will become more of a household name. Yeah, with the fallow she's on. That was your number. Nine was a camp. Yeah, that was my number own. All right. So me and Brown, you've already discussed a number nine's because I had red vanskin number nine and you had merger rys or yeah, nine, yeah, yeah's like camp. We'll just go back to you, mate, for your lamb. So my number eight is actually probably my in my top three four favorite female tennis plays this decade. She is another Asian. She is of Asian center. Her name is Lena. Lena. She had some groundbreaking accomplishments since her retirement. In two thousand and fourteen she entered the two thousand and Nineteen Hall of fame and Ductee, she's age his first groend slam singles champion that in duct got inducted into the whole fame. Her resume is quite stacked. She won the Australian Open and she won the French Open. She did. Why? I think she won a few titles. Did you win some premier titles? She didn't. Interesting, but I think and I think she's just it was a bit of a selfish pick for me, but I reckon she still should be in the top ten. She's got also great spirit about her, I think, and she inspires a lot of people. You're going for the intend real elements. I write that camp well, I've actually Leana as my number eight as well. Me Too. We go so funny. Thought it was outrageous. Can Yeah, yeah, even though, like she has this similar she did retire half away...

...the decade she finished. So you know, she probably could have been higher. She you know, was younger, but because she finished in the top ten for years in a row, from two thousand and eleven to twenty fourteen and one the two grand slams, she was in there. For me there was from the start, I always thought. You know that. And her prime was in the two thousand and ten. She wasn't much of a name before the two thousand and ten. So I think it was a for me she was a clear number eight. She was clearly better than the people below and then clearly worse and the people above her. So I think that was probably the easiest placing out of anyone for the day, except for number one one. But yeah, yeah, you're pretty much said all the reasons why she's our number eight, but I know we can't like talk about stuff that didn't happen, but she did only retire when she was thirty two. She succumbed to injury issues in two thousand and fourteen. So she her career probably was cut short of it. As you were saying, Brownie, she was really only starting to get into her prime, like she won one of her grand slams only seven months before she retired. So I think she could have probably built up her legacy and further if it wasn't for injuries. But still a great player and like a very fair pick to be number eight in the decade when you're only played four years. Yeah, well, five years actually. Yeah, yeah, so back to me again for my number seven. Oh yeah, no, yeah, can which is the host? Now? They have awake it. So I reckon it. You guys have this player much higher than I do. Wait, you reckon we have all the same top seven people. I reckon we'll all have the same tops of we'll be very shocking. Okay, so I reckon. You guys have this play out, probably in the top four, I reckon. But my number seven, e Maria Shire. I know you're going to say that sugar pover sugar pover great, great candy. She did have an amazing run this decade. She had five seasons in a row when she was in the top four for rankings. She did get a French Open and she did get, Oh, another French Open. Two years later she, unfortunately, she did, in two thousand and sixteen, test positive for a substance that was on the ITF Band List and served a fifteen months suspension. So that did come into play with my ranking because I've only sort of chose out for those fifteen months. And then when she did eventually make her comeback, she wasn't the best player and she actually didn't even make a final round of a major since her band. So that's why she's my number seven. MMM, will my number seven is the same. I've also got a number seven. Yeah, for the it was really tight, to be honest. For me, numbers two to seven we're all super close. So it was very difficult, but I ended up just prioritizing some things and it's just doing some like calculations with a few things and it's just the way it turned out. To be honest. She's you could, you know, throw hat over the next few people. So I don't have too many reasons why she's put below just maybe the drug band definitely comes into it and the last three years, the fact that she spent two more years after her band full time on the tour and didn't perform, were some. A couple others, you know, had some other issues going on. Yeah, she didn't. If she didn't have that, I feel like that drug the band really hit her career hard and I think she has been performing well. I think that experience has kind of affected her playing and that...

...fifteen months off from the to end facing like Serena Kerber Halerke bit of I feel like she hasn't practiced playing against them, so she can't really fight well against the new style of tennis that's come into the later of the decade. Yeah, she I definitely so. I I'll come clean. That's not a doping joke, but she I did my like what their highest ranking was and how many weeks they had at that position after I actually rank them. So when I learned she'd only been number one for four weeks in the decade, that kind of like question might like. I was kind of like, yeah, she's probably lucky to be here, but I've actually put her at number three. What? Sorry, if you have a look at her median end of year ranking, it's number four, because she's in the top four for five years. Yeah, so, as you were saying, can since the return she hasn't had the greatest ranking. But yeah, she was went number four, two four, two four, which left her. So that's very consistent. Left a median of the decade and at four, which was, I think, tied second actually, which is pretty impressive for me. Although she doesn't have that many big tournament victories, I think a lot of that can be put down to Serina. She yeah, I don't know, I don't have it actually written down who she lost to in these finals, but she's lost for grands plan finals, six premier mandatory finals. So I assume at least half of those the two and they're really two ends. Yes, sir, she's winning for and losing two. Well, that puts her in a whole new tier. So yeah, well, do got to some of those Grand Slam finals were in the different decade though. Yeah, I think if you put, if you've maybe, if you maybe do the it from two thousand and six to two thousand and fifteen or two thousand five thousand and fourteen, like half of each decade. Should be in the should probably be in the top three for me easily, because she also performed in the second half of the last decade and the first half of this decade. But yeah, for me, just a lead, just a very close but a little bit behind the others. But the do wins in the fourth final loss, they're actually all in this decade. They all this decade. For Grand Slam final losses. They're from twenty even to two thousand and fifteen, two as opens a French in a Wimbledon. Yeah, I was kind of support that's six finals. That's it. Wow, and hope. Something else that I rated really highly for her was her I know this is only twice in a decade, so it could be a fluke, but her silver medal at the two thousand and twelve London Olympic Games. So the Olympics, it's not a ranking point tournament, but I value quite highly as it's like a big goal of a lot of players to try and win a gold medal at the Olympic. So yet the fact that she won silver there I rated quite highly and once again lost a Serena in the grand final. So yeah, probably hate Serena. For the rest of the Sham valry is very onesided, I must say. Yeah, yeah, she doesn't have she doesn't have the power to match Serena, so Serena can just slap her shots. Yeah, all right. So she was your number seven. Yes, correct. So she's my number three but, as you were saying, Brownie, from two to seven, two to seven was all very tight. Yeah, looking looking at the starts now, I could probably change a few things, but at the time I was happy with it. So number seven, I've Gone Vick as a RANCA. Oh, she's my number three. The Belarus. Do you have a brown I ever, is number six just about sharp over for me? Oh Wow, I had her at number three. So she's one of these...

...players. She's not actually like a side sucker and Bergarussa, where she's just got a few grand slams and nothing else really in a residuma. She has five premier mandatary wins, three premier five wins. She's made nine premier finals, so she's being great on the tour as well. The probably what lets her down as her ranking, like consistency. She was really strong for three years and then pretty much after that she just went to just being a just solid tool player, which is quite odd, but that seems to happen a lot in the yeah. Well, she did have a child in there, yeah, and then had some the custody battle custody issues, so she had a bit of a time off in the middle. But yeah, she's never been able to get back to that form where she was easily the second best player behind Williams for that period of time when Williams was dominating. Yes, yeah, I put her. I put it under have three. I have at number three because I she when you watched her, she matched, she was able to match CHARINA's power and intensity and she also captured two Willim pick medals, including golden mixed doubles, so I thought that was very I ranked her higher because of that as well. She won two consecutive Australian opens as well, proving she can defend her title. So that's why I put her higher than some of these other girls, because she has those Olympic wins under about as well. Yeah, and she does haven't. Yeah, her resumes really good. She has an oppressive they seriously impressive. Just the ranking thing really let it down. Yeah, from Murder Rusa. She has the second highest wall worst median average and the year ranging for me by quite a long way. So she's still able to hold the number one spot for fifty one weeks though. Yeah, last yeah, yeah, it was dominant in that period there. When I tellied up all of the ranking points of the last ten years, that was one of the sats that I used. She came in at number seven. She was lower than most of the other players. There was only there's only one player that's above her. That's ranked that one player above her in my rankings. It's belower in this step, but yeah, she's just slightly lower than most of the other people above her just because of the lack of consistency over the last portion of the decade. Yeah, she had a kind of similar career trajectory to some of the others, like stars are, Ranish Garony, but her peak was maybe three times as good as they. Yeahs, but as it seems to kind of be a trend in women's tennis, probably quite a few of them are down for like childbirth and motherhood and stuff. So yeah, probably something people to factor in a lot, but that's probably the common cause. But yeah, they are a lot of the times they balloon off at the end of their careers and then you'll be looking at the rankings and you'll see some grand slam winner ranked four hundred and seventy six flying a challenger in Slovakia. So yeah, it's pretty bizarre. World winner's tennis. Yeah, so I had her number seven. You had her number three. Care what did you have? I had her number six. Okay, I'll shower pover cam joined to your number seven. My I'm as we've done. I might have seven. Was Very what provle? Oh, that's right. Yeah, so you can do your number six. Okay, my number six, she wasn't as good in the major trophies. She didn't wrap up a lot of major trophies, but she's very impressive how long she can hold her number one spot for. To my number six is caroline was Niaki. Yeah, she has some very impressive stats, such as she held the number one spot for seventy one weeks. The second the...

...second highest, what? Chris Serina's obviously the highest. She got one Australian Open Win and then she got ten premier titles. So she had the second most premier titles in this decade, which I which helped her go up in the rankings. She finished in the top ten for the seventh time in years. So she seven. She was in the top ten seven times in these in this decade, which I thought was very impressive as well. But what lacked, what letter down, was obviously her major titles and she couldn't, she couldn't get the trophy. HMM. Where I had was Niakey at number four. Originally, when I was just thinking off the top of my head at the beginning, I had her at number seven, is the bottom of the top of the the top seven. That I think we're all going to agree. We all gonna have the same top seven, but I think she would be clearly there if you didn't have that one Grand Slam. But that one grand slam pushed uction number four for me, especially because her ranking. For me she was one of the more consistent players. She finished in the top ten seven of the last ten years, seven years of the decade. I believe could be wrong there, but also when I told up all the ranking points, she was second highest. Shad the second most amount of accumulated ranking points over the decade. And then she also has the eight premier titles. So when I considered those things that she's achieved. I think that that put her up to number four for me and really most of the other women up around her. Only after that one more Grand Slam, so I don't think that that was enough to push her down. So for me she was at number four due to her consistent ranking and also the amount of time that she held that number one spot at the very beginning of the decade. Yeah, yeah, she was my number five. So yeah, as you were just touching, I'm Brownie. She had six, no seven years out of the ten, like her end of year ranking was in the top ten. So and then another two were in the top twenty. So only one end of yew ranking was outside the top twenty, which is pretty outrageous. Yeah, I can't say, if the top of my head if any of the other players in this list have done that. But yeah, as you were saying, I was willing to look past the fact that she'd only had one Grand Slam, which is the least amount on my list, behind Radvanskar and. But although like international and premier tournaments, they're not the most important things and lots of the time, like the second seed will be ranked like forty. She has the most international tournament victories out of this list and she has the second most premier tournament victory. So she is probably another person who you could almost compared to David for air in the fact. Yeah, she's the tour grinder. She's also one world tour finals as well. Forgot to forgot to mention that one as well. Yeah, I think she really be turned. I feel like halfway through this decade though, she really liked turned a corner and, although her ranking kind of wasn't so dominant, she just became a better player and had a new foundability to beat the best. Yeah, if it wasn't for her little if it wasn't for a stint at the top at the end of two thousand and seventeen, start of two thousand and eighteen, where she won the two thousand and seventeen fight to a finals and then she won the two thousand and eighteen Australian Open, I think that she definitely would be down at me, for me and number seven on the list, but she really came back after a couple years outside the top ten and had a new found ability to with a have a bit more power than she did before and one thing that I remember watching and all the comment as were commenting on his, the pace on her serve increased and the pace for a shot...

...to increase. You'll still she wasn't a powerful player, still a grinder, but just had more ability to hit through the ball, which is something that is definitely get you the wins at the bigger tournaments, which, yeah, in the end, was the difference maker and getting her up a few spots for me. Yeah, she's fantastic player and she did really well to overcome the adversity she faced at the start of her career, because I remember the countless amount of like journals and stuff who just ripped into her when she was number one and didn't have a grand slain victory. Yeah, name like everyone was just saying, like people even calling for like a ranking point system change to stop that from happening because, yeah, people would just outrage by but she really shut them up with odd say the back half of this decade, with some really big wins. Yeah, I'll be honest, though, if I had to pick, likely, if I had to pick one person out of this list out their prime ability to win a match, to save my life, she'd probably be on the lower end. Yes, this is true. If I'm honor like, I'd probably have something like as a ranker, or even maybe Murgeru. So probably above her in terms of that. But yeah, so she's my number five. She's my number four. All right. So I think we're up to my number six. It's a bit confusing because we've all got them in different orders. But yeah, Brownie, your number six was as a rank all yes, and then Hams was. Wasn't Yakey? So my number six is Angie Kerber. So she's a very famous player, especially in Australia because as she wanted to Australian over one as one one Australiana. But it was a first, first Grand Slam. Yeah, it was like kind of it's a surprise when, yeah, she hadn't made anything past a quarterfinal and a grand slam for like three years and then she just came out one the two thousand and sixteen. I was open. So she can't of became a bit of a legend. Yeah, she's. Did she beat Serena? Yeah, she beat She's Mad Sader and two of her three Grand Slam finals. Yeah, and epic, like three set up. It was an epic three setter. She just grinded her way out and I remember that the victory. And then she beat Serena again the twenty eighteen Wimbledon final, where she just absolutely smacks arena off the court. So those two Grand Slam Wins Again Serena, are definitely, yeah, impressive. Yes, she's the only other she's the only other woman to get more than two Grand Slam victories, because all these girls are stuck with two wins and three. Obviously dominated to get the other wins, but she racked up three. Say, HMM, I put our homeway. Do you guys have it? I had her five, just above as are ANCA was the actuy. I had her at for yeah, all right, so for me, even though she had two, three Grand Slam so it was the second most out of anyone. She's the only player on the list never to win a premier mandatory or premier five title. Is that right? My right and saying yeah, yeah, I saw that start. I saw that start five five finals. I found that category very strange for someone that's it was such a weak because most of them of one in the top seven, of of all one six or more, except for her, who's one zero. So for me actually shopping finals record, except for grand except for Grand Slams. So Grand Slams she's three wins, one loss, but then if you tally up every other kind of tournament, she's she's like nine and eighteen or something. Yeah, so that's H is up. It's on at her skill level. Yeah, for me she's kind of a Simi Ala situation to Mooguruza in the fact that over the last few years just had some surges up to the very top of the game and then some surges all the way down into the S and s and...

...whatever over the last four or five years. Except the what obviously gets her up here is the fact that she has that one extra Grand Slam. She's just been up at the top for much longer she's been in the top. She start entered the top ten in two thousand and twelve, so it's been quite a long time since she's been near the top of the game. And of course her year in two thousand and sixteen was one of the best years. Was Up there with one of the best years other than some by Serena, by anyone this decade, because she won that she was number one in the world and she won two Grand Slam titles in a single year, and I think I'm confident in saying she's the only person to win the two Grand Slam titles in a single year other than other than Serena over the decade. Yeah, yeah, I can't confirm, but I do think that's correct. She's also one silver medal at the Olympic Games. She lost the Monica Week. We we won't spend too much time on that lost bit of a not. That's another choke. Actually, she actually has the worst finals record ever. I know these am she's not. She's lost to hot and cup finals and she's never won one of those. And then this is, although this is another choke in a final, but this is impressive. She made the Fed Cup final and lost, I assume, probably in check republic, because that's just a checker probably dominate for Fed Cup. Yeah, she preably. She's probably my favorite women's tennis player of all time. I'd say, yeah, that's a performance. Well, on the back day, that backhand shot, that back end shot she plays where she's almost on the ground our once. For me that's like the most iconic women's tennis shot. Yeah, like she gets you might the other night can you? The other night, can you were doing it when we're playing table tennis. Yeah, it's like want me do a cur but yeah, she is very impressive. She gets good with the passing shots. I think that's her what she's most known for. You know. I she manages to squeeze the Cross Court for hand passing shot, no matter where you're standing on the court, Orman no matter where she is on the court, and she's just very scrappy and can get to pretty much every ball. So very impressive and is produced some incredible grants, all three of her Grand Slam finals of all being incredible matches and incredible wins. So that, of course, counsel something as well, having two wins over Serena in Grand Slam finals. Yeah, yeah, as ill as I was touching on the for like who I want to be playing for my life at their prime, curb would be right up there for me. Like she'd probably be second by Serena maybe, or as a ranker or something, but she's she was so good or right. So that's my number six. Yes, I got my number five. That was my number four. Yeah, we're only halfway through the ten, but there's only three players left there's three players left yet I've got I've covered all my four, tore and ten. I just have my top three that we haven't covered. Oh that's well. You I've got my number five, I got my number five and then two and one left. All right, we'll do your number five then, because I don't have anyone below my top four left. So you start with your number five and will find hey, my number five. Well, obviously you guys have this person your top three. I think you never but my number five is petrick of it. Ever, she I just don't think quiz she doesn't. She's what. She won, to Wimbledon, to Wimbolin's, but I don't. What was very impressive was she helped check republic get the six Fed Cup crowns. Yeah, because obviously check republic dominate in the women's tennis. I think she has very impressive stats. The only thing that was letting her down is I don't think she has ever reached rank one. Yeah, she hasn't. That for me with one weeks news as well. That's that's just what let her down. She had she won. She did the Whimbledon,...

...she won Wilmoton, she won the Fed cups, but just not having that rank one, like all these other girls in this top ten, really let her down, I think. Yeah, interesting. He I had her at my number three, of my number two, and similar to was Nyaki, who was my for I originally had a lower when I just thought a battle at the top of my head, just because she's never held the number one ranking, which is something that like cement someone in your head for sure when they when there are a world number one. But then you look at it closely and she's one or two Grand Slams, which is very similar to most of the other when most the other girls on the list and she's then she's wanted to finals and eight premier mandatory or premier five titles, which is a lot, but she has the most. It's the most premier titles out of any of the other women are this decade, just the most with eleven and only two losses in the final. Yeah, and she was third on the list for me of the total amount of ranking points that have accumulated over the decade. Just behind was Niaki and Serena. And then she's been in the top ten seven out of the finished the year in the top ten. Seven out of the ten years and then one year finished at number eleven and then one year finished number twenty nine. But also that was around the time that she tragically was stabbed in her apartment in the hand and was in hospital was out of the game for a extended period of time because of that. So that definitely put a tarnish on that year, bit of an Asterix on that year. So who knows, if it wasn't for that event, maybe she would have been nine years in a row in the top ten. We don't know, but just definitely, when I've thought about all of that, I could look past the fact that she'd never held the number one ranking and put her at number three just because her credentials overall and her consistency over the entire decade is definitely she's definitely probably, I would say, the second most consistent player over the entire decade and in the entire ten years. Yeah, I think she is. I think she's she's the one tennis player who I think is the fan favorite. I think everyone loves committer. Well, yeah, yeah, I think she's very popular and she's always had the knack to like she's really consistent, but she's always had the ability to beat big players. Yeah, the best players. Like she beat body that she didn't she in the quarterfinals? Yeah, I think she did. Ye Know, she beat buddy in the quarterfinals last year actually, and then body managed to get over this year and then buddy lost her and then in the semi finals. But they have that crazy thing where they played each other like eight or nine times in like twelve months. Have played each other a lot. It's yeah, so I wouldn't call a bit of a consistent player in the way that she plays. She's definitely absolutely smacks the ball and can be a bit wild, but so she's prone to some early round exits in tournaments, but then every year may just get the job done and win a few titles and manage. She's been which causes a ranking to be consistent. Just because of a raw power and talent. She has the ability to dominate a few tournaments of the year and keep her ranking up there and always be around. She's always around on the big stage. When it comes to the big tournaments. You know that she's a threat every time. Yeah, and she's never really gone on like a drought where a lot of the big hitting players they'll go like a year or something without any decent title where she's hit all miss but like fifty percent of the time she hits like she's there. She's probably one of the more consistent big hitters, if that makes sense. Yeah, but I'll opposite to Kurby. Her finals record is really good, like, unless you get...

...the polling in a tournament, just pretty hard to stop. Yeah, as we said before, she's one hundred eleven premier tournaments, only two losses and then premier manager in premier five shares, eight wins, only two finals losses. So one. I just looked it up. I just looked it up and body actually beat committed it this year in the quarterfinals. Yes, who big body cannon in? Okay, yeah, I actually kind of remember that much now. Yeah, I was just getting confused because of twenty nine. Where did you have her in your rankings? Hamish? She was my number two and that's because I just write her fed cup stuff so highly. If you know me, you know I Froth Davis Cup and Fed Cup. I think it's because I'm from like a team sport background, so I'm a big fan of the Fed Cup and Davis Cup. And she not only what was part of a winning team pretty much every time, except for one. She was like the number one singles player. I think the most recent one, plus Cobar, was the more like she kind of carried the team a bit. But yeah, so it's not only impressive to win that many fed cups in a decade, which it's pretty ridiculous really. Yeah, well, countree, but the fact that she liked carried the most times. It's pretty elite. And obviously they have the dream Dream Team doubles in for a, Decca and Harba Chakoba. Yeah, and commit ever and saffer over always a little singles pairing in the mid before plus coffer came around in the early to middle part of the decade. Yeah, so safer over made my huge list of players, my huge shortlist for this for a French a final. Yeah, and she's basically got nothing to except for that and her cheeky like for Fed couplings. But yeah, so Commita made my too, but that, I admit, that's probably due to my like. Yeah, I love the bake up, so sting, but she was my three so similar and like feel like Browning and me have the same two and one. Yeah, yes, yeah, I don't think you've put number two above number yeah, so I guess just bring her up. Simona. How next list data? Simona help is my number two. Is She your number four, Hamish? Yeah, she's the one number four. She is below Shari pober. But upon reflection, that is pretty outrageous based on the fact that they have similar resumes. But one has been at number one for a year and like a quarter and one has been at number one for yeah, for me, Simona help at number two was the easiest decision from two to seven to make. I'm going to be honest. Yeah, I think. I think number one was obviously the easiest decision and I think similar at number two was the next easiest. She because she has her two Grand Slams, which is similar to everyone else once again, and but then she's lost three Grand Slam finals, which is so she's made it to this, made it to the yet made it to the second most amount of Grand Slam finals, I no, behind Sharapoker, sorry, but also one seven premiermentary or premier five titles. And then that puts her at a like similar position to most other people in the top seven. And but then her, the fact that she was number one, held the number one for them. So many weeks and then also just being super consistent over the last five years life, for six years actually. Her last her end of year ranking over the last six years is three, two, four, one hundred four, which is crazy, absolutely heard of, which is absolutely insane. And she's the only person who only player really Serena, hasn't even all Serena, if Serena's clearly the best, but to rank in...

...the top for consistently for five or six years straight. Yeah, she's definitely the like because Serena doesn't play much anymore across the tour. I would her see how loop as like the biggest scalp or the biggest consistent star on the WT tour at the moment. Yeah, we're consistency over the last five or six years. YEA, whenever it comes to grands, them you always think she'll end up in the final or she'll get close to the final, like it's a guarantee. Yeah, she had a little period there of like one or two years where she was prone to an early exit, but I feel like she's overcome that. Yes, once she got that for because she lost her first three finals in a row as well. Once she got that first title and joke and French Open. She's really really managed to step it up and be like what many be, what few on the tour of the last four or five years of managed to be, which is so consistent across most tournaments of the year. Of course everyone's gonna lose in the early rounds occasionally, but I think for sure the most cons best, easily second best of the last five years. Possibly you could argue that she's been number one. She has less grand slams, but over the last three years or four years I would probably place her as a number one player above Serena because of how consistent she's been. And obviously Serena's had a child in that time, so makes it a bit more difficult. But I rate her extremely highly and she would clear number two for me. Yeah, and she's the leader of the Golden Romanian generation. So yeah, that's probably my favorite thing in the decade, actually, the Romanian generation of tennis players that just randomly came through. Yeah, looking at committed a sharp over and Hollett, that is your two, three four isn't a Brannie. No, Sharpov was my seven are. No. Yeah, although hindsight I did have a bit of a city school error in saying that. CHARPOVERT only lost one Grand Slam final and one to grand slams, and so maybe she would shift after realizing that. But for me, yeah, she'll Simon. It was definitely a clean number two. Yeah, well, for me with me. For me it's pretty obvious why they're my two, three four, because they've all basically got these pretty much the same in resumes. It's just Sharapova has only been number one for four weeks. Commit of a hasn't been number one, and then helps just romping it in with sixty four weeks and number one. So I definitely understand how she's your number two. So let's get onto the best player, probably probably the one of the best tennis players, not even famous had tennis players, probably one of the best tennis plays of the decade. Serena Williams the most. Yeah, she's probably the best women's tennis player of all times. Yeah, she's definitely undoubtedly. Yeah, she won't, even though she wants. Reports. My has the Grand Slam title tally, but I think that Michael caught winning eleven Australian opens in an era where not that many players came to Australia puts a bit of a tarnish on that, considering nowadays, where every single player is at every single Grand Slam. Yeah, yeah, well, she had. Serena had an impressive twelve singles majors, which is outrageous. She had two hundred and thirty six weeks and number one. She had three W ta finals, Champs and then four. She had seven premier titles, which is an outrageous decade for her. Yeah, and she has her final...

...record, except for Grand Slams in the last like two years. But her final record is pretty crazy. It's so she has. Yeah, it was seven premier man at trees and seven premier five titles and she's only lost for finals. So pretty much four out of five times she's getting the win. And, as you said, cam seven premier titles and only one loss in a final there. She also had the gold medal at the twelve Olympic Games. Yeah, so ACCA. She also went eight hundred eight Neil in Grand Slam finals. So she had two. She had just winning every single Grand Slam for two years in a row, I'm pretty sure, which obviously something Serena would do. Yeah, I think Serena, specially from like twenty twelve two thousand and thirteen, up until twenty, early two thousand and seventeen, when she announced that she was pregnant, she was just unbelievably dominant. It was absolutely ridiculous because in the early parts of the decade, very early, first couple of years of the decade, she didn't I think she had some injury problems and then obviously she had her child and now she still dominating. But if isn't her priority, isn't exactly playing on the two or full time, it's more just getting the Grand Slam titles. So she doesn't exactly dominate the rankings and dominate as much as she used to, but for five or six years she was just an absolutely ridiculous amount of dominance. And Yeah, she was probably the Jockovich of the female tennis God. Every time a grand slam would come up, you're like, yes, Serena's going to win this, whereas that's what Djokovich is like. In the later of the decade it's kind of just like Jockovich is just going to win this year again. Yeah, it's it's for a period there across all grand slams she was like rapher at the French like it was a certainty, pretty much. Yeah, no one could even come close, and that's why we were like making such a big deal out of the fact that Kerber had one two Grand Slam finals against her and stuff like. Yeah, because that was genuinely unheard of. It was. It was definitely unheard of. Obviously, the last couple of years she's lost, I think she's lost her last four, it was as a two or four, her last, I think, finals. I think it's for yeah, except she just had a outrageous period where she just won so many Grand Slams and she did have some early exits as well. But we're beating as I think, especially once we get, especially in that period, once you get to a ladder, once she got to the latter stages of the Grand Slam, she's extremely hard to stop. Yeah, hundred and forty one weeks at number one I've got here. That's almost exactly five years out of the ten, stupid, which is like pretty crazy. Yeah, even though she's had like, in terms of ranking, she's had like not such a strong ranking in the last three years because, as you're saying, Brownie, like childbirth and stuff. She doesn't play on the two of that much. She still has the highest median average and she is only point two off just the general average for end of Ye ranking out of my top ten. So we're I would have thought like she would not be close in those stats, but she's actually, yeah, on top all in my tally of all the ranking points of the last ten years, even though she's Mr Cup misty, she missed a year or so. And but second places was Ni a key to put into perspective. Eight was Kerba with three thousand thirty eight thousand, and second was was in Yaki with forty five thousand. So from second to eight there's only seven thousand points separating all of those players in the middle, which included would wants go, who is my number ten, and then everyone from two to seven in all of our rankings, because we all the same two to seven, and then the jump from forty five thousand and then Williams has sixty five thousand, so she's twenty thousand ahead. So there's only a seven thousand gap between second and eight and then a twenty thousand gap from...

...second to first, which is just yeah, it's absolutely racy and like she obviously, she obviously wants to keep sticking around because she wants to get that Grand Slam record and beat Margaret Cord. We hope she got she yeah, she should get her. She's played really well shod. Yeah, she does deserve it. Yeah, like I don't want my grandkids looking at the history records and saying, Oh, Margaret call is to grand slams better than three Williams. Like I don't want that to be a thing. I want it to be clear that surenders the undisputed best ever. So you know. Well, I think she's she's one. She needs one to tie and then she just needs one to be yeah, surely the sure on her our final. Yeah, only the girls, the girls in the locker room just going to be like, let's give it to him. Yeah, I was saying the other day to Campbell I'm worried about giving this year's basically a ride off of the I'm worried she's actually not going to come back. I think she will come back. I don't think she'll retire until she are the can't physically play anymore because of injury or has that record. Yeah, she she has that record in a inner science. I reckon should yeah, she will go to so that was good. Fun. Did you guys enjoy the interals? Good all. I'm not shocked at our two to seven will all the same plays, just a different order. I'm also not shocked at our number one was all the same. Yeah, just missed your tense. Who was like for me? Well, I already put twelve in my consideration in the end because if I just knew, I just had a gut feeling about lots of plays, that it just wasn't going to happen. So of course my honorable mention was Kim cloisters, and then my number twelve was Naomi, a soccer. Whether she's actually number twelve I don't know, but just the fact that she had to grand slams mean that I had to consider in the mix. And then that was it for me. In the players that I fully you know, got it out all the stats for it. My honorable mentions were stowes. Are Not Joking. Yay, she don't even joke about that. She is my honorable mention. A number like she, she wouldn't gregs. Well, I haven't ordered my honorable mentions, I just did it from the way I eliminated them out of contentions. She actually the last person I eliminated. Well, I know that sounds crazy, but well, my honorable mentions are I had more Garus are dvance car. I had body in there because I thought she's impressive, and I also had bianca on dressed scoop to be cool. Now, fair enough, quality of a quantity, like she's at stars already. So Fair enough. Yeah, I was when I before I started researching, I thought Venus was a certainty and then I started my recent yeah, I was like it, she hasn't want to Grand Slam, has she lost ten years? All of US super earlier actually only made to final. Yeah, she made the two finals in two thousand and seventeen. I want to say she made two finals in a row. But yeah, I also really wanted to put Spitelina in there because she's one of my favorite players, but she just does not have the she's she's been in the up ten for so long, but she's doesn't have the winds to background, doesn't have the torn winds and also wasn't really around in the first half of the decade. I want to say she was mainly just around, being consistent for the second half, but not really a factor at all because she's quite at the kind of the theme of the people who missed out. They'd either had good success on the tour and not at the Grand Slams. Yeah, yeah, it had a few big tornament wins and just done absolutely nothing and their ranking was like bad, like stars. It was kind of like that. Yeah,...

...all right, so that I hope you guys enjoyed that. You know, that's fine. I loved during the research and making that list. We're doing. Campbell's unfortunately not coming back for the men's ten episode. My number one would be I'll give you a quick loadown and be a dominic teen and Fabio, then ship pubblem and that's the end of the story. Yeah, so, okay, a lot of people with lushoes, locks and in that three. So yeah, you're a women's tennis specials. So you won't becoming mad for the men's ten episode. So there will be an NFL draft episode coming out on Tuesday and then the Thursday episode will be the men's tennis version of this. So Brownie will be back for that. So very excited. You've loved his work. Tune back in. So yeah, thanks for joining me, boys, and I doubt as anyone listening, but I hope you guys enjoyed it too.

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