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Episode 55 · 1 year ago

"Is Tyreek Hill better than DeAndre Hopkins?!?" | Top 15 NFL Fantasy WR Rankings - Episode 54

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Hamish is joined by James and Pilch to discuss their consensus top 15 Wide Receiver NFL Fantasy Rankings ahead of the 2020 NFL Fantasy Season.

Cheese settle. Welcome back to theon the ball podcast. This is episode fifty four of the show. Onceagain doing an NFL episode today, so we're joined by the usual suspects,Curtis and Pilach. Welcome boys, and I might thanks Cork. Pleasure tohave you back as always. So today we are doing our fifth installment ofour little NFL fantasy season preview series. So we're up to the top fifteenwide receivers today and then next week I think we're going to be doing widereceiver roughie episode, so people who don't make this list that we still like, and then following that we will have I'm not sure if we're going tobe doing our draft live on the potty or we might do a bit ofa draft recap, like the day after something. We're not sure how that'sgoing to work, but I'd like to do something like that. So it'salmost one a week for the NFL fantasy content. On loving it. Butyet, as I said before, we're going through our top fifteen. Sowe've all sent in a list of our top twenty five wide receivers and we'veaveraged it our I've got a list of our top fifteen. Pill just suggestedtoday that we go from position one to fifteen because, you know, usuallyone to about four we usually share the same opinions there. So be abit Spiceyah that I write that. So that's what we'll be doing today.So Yeah, without further gi can we just get straight into it. NumberOne on our list we've got Michael Thomas, you know, the Miss Number One. We all put them up there as the number one man. Curtiswhat like. There's not really much to say about him, is there?But why do you frof the great man? Tall, athletic, can catch fast, just gets the job done. No matter what I mean. There'sthere's not even much to say. Like he's just consensus number one. Evenwhen he had the backup keeping last year was pumping out huge numbers. Justgot he's guaranteed to put you in like twenty twenty range, twenty plush rangeevery week. So yeah, I don't don't see why if you've had doptyou to pick him up, while you wouldn't. Yeah, like similar toseem seeing it. Lamar Jackson US we've discussed in lat previous episodes. Thegap between him and second place is so big that even if he does fallback a little bit or number two improves a little bit, he's still probablyhe'd have to drop off a serious amount to not be number one. Piledare you very confident that he'll be number one or yeah, no, Brian, I like he's a he's a lock for to get the most targets againthis year and like the amount of volume he gets. He's there's just notreally anyway they won't be at least top to but most likely number one.Yeah, and then I know you're a bit of a psycher for some draftstrategy. Are Pretty intelligent when it comes to up pilch. where. Howearly would you look at taking Michael Thomas? Like, I know it's usually runningbacks go first, but would Michael Thomas be a top three pick ordo you not think he'd go that early? Would you take him that? I'mdefinitely taking the the the elite running backs before him. So I'd saymaybe. If at the end of the first round, if he falls downthere, then on maybe grabbing it. Probably not. Yeah, Kurt,have you thought too much about your draft or not really? Um, yeah, I kind of have. I was in my mind I'd go first,first round best running back you can get. So if you're up the top,you'd probably go top five running back because just they're guaranteed to put pointsin the board every week. And then I was thinking, probably Qub's goingto be my second pick, especially if there's like my homes or Lamar upfor grabs. I definitely waste my second round pick on that because I thinkthey're both elite and they're guaranteed rack up points. And if someone like MichaelThomas or Tyre he'll, I presumer going to talk about sooner and they probablywon't be on the board, but if they're on the board, they gatyou got to go for one of them. You just could. That's when usedto go start looking at your first wide receiver. The Look I thinkthere's too much chance of them being well, Thomas being there in the third round, maybe Tyr Hill, who knows Vienna. The only thing with thatcall is he's basically a running back. That's how consistent he is, becausehe just gets like ten receptions a game.

So it's almost like as much ofa certainty as running back. But now in general, wide receivers aremore inconsistent, so you would be looking at a premo running back first whenyou but it's a bit of a weird one to think about. It's hardto compare the positions, so that not much really needs to be set onhim. Fantasy pros ranked in the number one as well, so they agreeagree with us. They're hes the fourth easiest fixtures out of all the widereceivers. So like his wide receiver group has the fourth easiest. So it'salso pretty spicy. But without further ADO, we'll move on to number two.Just pipped number three. It was Davante, Adams Pilch, and Ihad them at number two. Curtis, you had him down at number five. Fantasy prose agreed with the impeach had him at number two. So averagedout to he was like, you know, three points or whatever. So,Curtis, why were you not too well? You were keen on himbecause you had him in fifth. Like let's not exaggerate that, but whydid you have him below some of the other guys? I'm just a bitworried about the output. Will Peel. She has been saying this the wholetime, but the outpit output of the packers collectively. So I feel likeif that, if they that bees are there. Obviously heavily rely on atoms. That's Um wellknown and, to be honest, Rogers doesn't have much elsegoing going for him in terms of wide receivers and tight ends, etc.So I'm just worried that, you know, some weeks, if he gets lockeddown, he's not going to be able to rack up those points justbecause they're obviously they're get it. There's going to be occasions when they're goingto try and double man and will double team in and just stuff like that. So yeah, we's wait and see. But yeah, that's exactly why Ihad him a fifth and not in my top full, but still attwhat like. I was trying to cork about this before, but the wayI did my wide receivers, I'm more tiered them because I found it prettyhard to put them in the set order. So if we're talking to you onewide receiving, still at one wide received in my books. Yeah,peel to wide. You had it like another two. Yeah, just basicallybecause Rogers has absolutely no one else to throw too. We saw in thesecond half of last year he very much had to throw everything to Adams andnow they've lost Jimmy Graham and Jeronimo Allison as well. So he's but he'spretty much guaranteed a hundred and fifty, hundred and sixty targets, which willlock him into the top five, probably even higher. He's not necessarily thesecond best wide receiver in the NFL, but just based on the situation isin at the packers has got him the number two for me. Yeah,I can't lie. I've been like in the last twenty minutes. I've beenlooking at my rankings and questioning some of the positions. This is actually one. If I had my time again, I might I would consider changing it. I don't know. He came sick last year, but the thing withme is, yes, they lost Graham and Allison, but I'm not toosure where he gets more points from. Like I guess Green Bay their attackmight be more flu in this year because it was Matt Lafleur's last first yearlast season, so maybe they get a bit more expensive on the offense.But I can't see why he would like obviously sixth and he was fourth inthe second half last year. That's obviously insane. But like, I'm nottoo sure where the jump up to second is. Like guaranteed to come,but yeah, as Curtis said, he'll be double teamed every week, buthe probably was as well last year. Similar to Thomas, he actually hasvery easy fixtures. He has a second easiest in the whole of the NFL, so that's also something that probably helps his k this as well. Butyeah, the next guy we're looking out is Julio Jones. This is theperson I was just talking about. I'd probably reconsider putting him over Davante Adams. I had him at number three, Pilch, out of a number forand Curtis, you had him the number three, Curtis. Why do youhave him above Davante Adams? I feel like them. I don't know.I feel like the Falcon's going to be better this year, so I feellike he's going to have more opportunity just to rack up big numbers. Lastyear obviously wasn't his best hear, though he did rack up big points lastyear. But yeah, I just feel like they're got to be better overallthis year and as a result, I feel like coolier is going to havea bit more on his plate in terms of catches and yards. So Ifeel like you'll just wrack up a fewer points of last year and yeah,yeah, I agree with that. They're probably going to score more touchdowns asthey do get better. Their attack wasn't bad last year, but just maybea minor improvement. Also, Calvin Ridley's improve we'll talk about him later,potentially, but he's improved. So maybe...

Julio Cops a little bit less attentionfrom the corners, like he doesn't cop double teaming or something like that.But then on the on the flip side, they have lost Austin Hooper, whohad I think ninety seven targets last you, and Muhammadson who as well. I think he had forty five or something in the first half. Soboth those guys gone. Believe it or not, Julio's like targets could actuallyincrease from last season and he already had like a hundred and forty or something, so could improve still on last year's pretty impressive season. Pilch, why'dyou while you weren't not hot on him, as I said before, with Curtisand Adams, but why'd you have them that for? Yeah, well, like Thomas, we sort of know how consistent Julio is going to be. Last season he had the second most targets behind Thomas, so that that'llprobably stay around the same, potentially drop a bit with Ridley expected to takethe next step and become elite this year, but he'll still be right up aroundthat one hundred and fifty range. I just think Adams has a Adamshas is going to be far more likely to get more targets just because hehas absolutely no competition and he does tend to score more touchdowns than Julio aswell. Yeah, if Aaron Rodgers is ten out, he's probably more likelyto throw it to Adams Than Ryan. Would be the throat to Jones,because you know, Ryan obviously has todd Gurley, he has Hayden hers tothrow it to. He also has Calvin Ridley, whereas screen bay, it'sbasically just a f the coin between Aur and Jones and Adams. That movevertice was Julio or wide receiver to now through right. Yeah, next upwe've got the curtis as wide receiver to we've got tyry kill and the numberfour. This is the first guy we probably differ on quite a bit.He was ranked fourth by the fantasy pros so far, with spot on withtheir rankings. I actually had him down at night, but I'll talk aboutthat a little bit later. Curtis, you had him up at second whyare you so keen on tyree? I feel like he was out quite abit last year, especially in the first half of the see will first halfbit more. Actually was my first two thirds the season. But when hewas in he had a real impact and he did have a lot of pointsin the board once he was in the team. So once one, Idon't know. Just seeing that just made me think maybe he's a top toprospect in the wide receivers and yeah, I don't know. It's obviously gotthe pace. They've got a lot of options as well, though I haveto say, in what cans as well. So maybe, looking back at it, he might be bit further down, but I still think he's a topfive wide receiving my opinion. Yeah, OK, peel to or so werepretty hard him. So do you agree with all that? Yeah,pretty much. Yeah, and another thing I thought about. If you're goinginto a game like a head to head fantasy game, who is the scariestwide receiver that you do not want to verse in Fantasy? It's tight.It's tyree kill because he can chuck up a like Mahomes is thrown seven touchdownsin a game before. Like he can just absolutely go off and he's gotan extremely high ceiling. So he's just a bloke that I'd probably rather haveon my team for that reason, because he can win you a league justby himself pretty much. Yeah, the reason I got him down at nineis I just don't know if I want to put such a high pick onsomeone as inconsistent as Tyre kill. We know. So he's got to averagehigh. I think he could average top five, but I still don't knowif I would take him as a top five wide receiver, if you knowwhat I mean, because I think he can actually lose you a lot offantasy matchups by pumping out low scores. If you are I worked out hismedian of is. I think he played twelve games last year. So youhad a couple games where he got injured early. So that canceled that outand it canceled out his mammoth games and he's median was actually twelve nine,which was for below his average. So I'm it showed that his thirty twopoint seven, and he's twenty six was seriously bumping up that average. Butthat's what you get with Tara Kill, isn't it? One Week he'll whenyour match, next week you might lose it for you. So it's justthe kind of fantacy player you are really whether you want someone he's going tobe up and down or someone who's just got a flat line like Julio.So yeah, I definitely see the arguments for him there. They have lessrunning backs this year. They've got a rookie man is the number one option. So they already throw the ball a lot, but they could start throwingit even more. I think Kelsey would have received more targets that last yearthan he did the year before, so that's something. Not that would goagainst tyroch. He'll but yeah, the...

...reason I another reason I haven't nowto Nice, let alone the median stuff, is he came eleventh last year.So that includes, I think, too injury affected scores. But forme I just don't see where the jump comes from eleven to like second.But I do think you will improve on Leven. But that brings us downto Deandre Hopkins. This is someone who, this was a tough one. Atone stage I hadn't below a lot of the guys who have got comingup in the next few picks. I had him down. Yeah, I'mnot going to say their names, I'm not going to spoil it, butI hadn't quite lower one point and then I would thought that's Deandre Hopkins.He's probably the most talented or second most talented wide receiver in the League,so I thought it'd be rude to have him that low. So we've gota minute fifth. I had a minute fifth as well. Peeled out aimat sixth. curtishy at him in fourth. So not that much difference. They'recurtis. Why are you backing him over Davonte Adams? I feel likethere's a lot of upstile with Arizona and consequently hot cains. Obviously the QB'snarrow. Many second gear's got some more experience, so you'd think he's gonnabe able to hit targets a lot more. Obviously he's a bit of a jewelthreat quarterback, which might take away some point from Hopkins, but it'sHotkins like he just going to he's just going to put up points like whetherwhatever we think, whatever argument I feel like we're going to make, he'sjust somehow I'm going to put up points. He's got the best hands in theleague. He's a great route runner. So, yeah, I just thinkhe's in a rack up points. Like I just feel like, whateverarguments we make, it just going to happen whether we like it or not. Yeah, that's actually true. Like, he's probably one guy who, ifyou got double teamed, I would even care. Like yeah, he'sgoing to just catch it, isn't he? He's that good pilch. Who Doyou had them below all the guys have mentioned so far. So whyare you not writing it as high as past years? Yeah, we'll,like you just said, I actually had him even lower at one stage,but then I bumped him up because, as Curtis said, it is DeandreHopkins. Yeah, but I do think his move to Arizona is going tohurt him more than it all benefit, because he's losing the chemistry that hehad with Watson and till. Naturally probably get a few less targets with alittle bit more wide receive competition in in Arizona, with Christian Kirk set tobreak out, Larry Fits still kicking rose last year he had like Kenny steals. Is it and an injured fuller who only played it both the Maine Act. Yeah, I don't even know who that wide receiver too for half ofit was, but yet so I expect him to get less targets, whichwill just me, and less points, but he's still a gun, sowouldn't be surprised if he's right up there. Yeah, the thing with me iswhy I hadn't so low at one point was there so much uncertainty arounddeandre Hopkins and pretty much anyone who moves teams, whereas all these other guysright up there haven't. Their situations haven't changed, so they're pretty safe.But John Dre Hopkins, you're probably looking at an early second round pick,maybe even a late first round of depending on how things go, and that'sa pick you want to have a guaranteed gun in where Hopkins, as wesaid, he's John Dre Hopkins, so he's going to be a beast nomatter what. But like, we don't really know what the situation is goingto be like. Kirks looking good, Fitzgerald still getting quite a lot oftargets. Hopkins hasn't really dealt with a high volume back up in the lastlike three years. The rest of his receiving course being pretty mythical. Onlylike to get a few targets in, like will fuller and Kenny steals,but we'll see how he goes. He is also taking although we like CarlaMarie on this potty and we've rated him high and turns of fantasy in termsof actually here's nowhere near to Shaun Watson. I'm just Shuan Watson will make alot better throws than Calamari will miss, if you know what I mean.But yeah, as we said, it's Deandre Hopkins, sir. Can'treally hate on him too much. And another thing we were talking about thelack of wide receivers. He out of Houston. That actually might benefit himgo into Arizona because you know, there might be less attention on him withdefenders and whatever. But yeah, he's still making our top five, soobviously we still rate him very highly. Next or out. So now wemove into that's pretty much the boring portion of it gone. They were allpretty much locked in that top five, I reckon. Well, not necessarily, but next up we've got Chris Godwin. Yeah, what was he second lastyear? Yet second last year overall, but in the second half of lastyear came eleven. So started off very hot, came home bit slow. We've all got in similar I had them at six, pilch five,curtis nine. Fantasy pro has had him at six as well. Curtis,why you're not too hot on Christopher Godwin.

Rod Christopher Godwin. That's I foundout yesterday. So this is pretty much where I hit what I calllike my second tier of wide receivers. So there's my clear first here whoI feel like it is guaranteed to put up points, and then there's thesetwo kind of second tier who were a bit more inconsistent. God when obviously, as he said, had it, had a ripper first part half theseason, but then he kind of came back down to Earth in the secondseason, in second half of the season, and I feel like the second halfof the seasons a more realistic representation of where he's at and what he'sgoing to put up. So that's why I happened down at nine. Ifeel like that's where he probably sits. He probably sits around that kind often, maybe two, seven or eight range. So yeah, that's whyI didn't down at night, just because laugh the second half, second halfof last season was a better representation, in my opinion, of where he'ssitting. Yeah, I'll be honest. Slides the Tampa Boys. I hadabsolutely no idea. At one point I had them down in like twenty andI had topped them up at like three and four. Like it's an absolutemystery what they're going to pump out this year, because going from Jamis toTom Brady's probably the worst thing a fancy wide receiver can do because obviously,like an interception is not going to hurt a wide receiver score, is it? So they're just getting the positives from Jameis Winston. So yeah, Ithink that's a big worry. With these temper boys, I'd be very skepticalwhen drafting them. Tom Brady's not, you know, going to be throwingmany passes of more than fifteen yards and yeah, I just pretty worried aboutit. If I'm honest, as I was talking about with Hopkins, anyperson who they a situation is changed drastically like a change of quarterback, youseriously got to take a great assault with like their scores last year and stufflike that, but at the end of the day is pretty good. He'sin the mold of all the guns. Like he gets a lot of volume. He doesn't rely on like big eight yard passes or anything like that.So if if Tom Brady uses him like a Julian Edelman, I can't seewhy it's not going to be a top ten wide receiver once again. Soyeah, Pilch, why you got a minute? Fifth, Yep, Godwould's an absolute weapon and he had one of the, might have even beenthe highest catch right in the whole nfl last season and, as he said, with Brady coming in, I think that'll help Godwin a lot more thanit all help his partner in crime, who I've ranked fairly low, aswill see soon. But yeah, the the God when generally plays in theslot, whereas Evans goes for the deep balls and Brady will be airing itout far less than Jamis was last season. So I think God when all couplelot of volume. Yeah, it's just yeah, a hundred percent agreewith that. It's just a little bit uncertainty that I don't like when you'reusing such a high pick. But and then next. So here's where Isaid, here is where it gets interesting. Here is where it actually gets bodyspicy. This is where fantasy pros and the on the ball podcast startdiffering quite a lot. Next up we've got Adam thiel and I had himat number four. PILCH had him at number nine, Curtis Hadhim a numbertwelve. Fantasy pros had him down at thirteen. I'll start us off,actually, so I've got him in number four. Let's just let's lay thescene, all right, Adam feel and where they come. He came sixthand two thousand and eighteen, dealing with Stepan digs next to him taking allthese reception, all these targets, this time to Stefon. Diggs has goneto Buffalo felts. He's dealing with a seventh round I was reading yesterday apparentlyJustin Jefferson's actually looking like he's going to be the wide receiver three for Minnesotathis year and like a seventh round pick called like all the BC Johnson orsomething by their second there. So to me that's all that sounds like.It's just steal and feel and feel, and so that's pretty much the mainreason. But then if you look at his average last year, wasn't greatwhen he played, I'll admit that, but he got twenty in the playoffsgame against the saints, who's one of the best defensive teams. He gotinjured in two of the Games in the first quarter. So if you takethem out, his average moves to about fifteen, which would have fifteen,which would have had him about twenty low teens last year, which is notgreat. But you know, I think he was playing injured in quite ina couple of the games and when he came back from injury I think theyrushed him back. So yeah, for me I can't see why it's notgoing to go back to two thousand and eighteen form when he was just rakingin reception after a set option. When he's at his peak he can belike one of those top five receivers who just gets volume, whereas Stephan Diggsis more a bit of a Mark Evans...

...either, like go along catch abrother. So yeah, I'm big fan on the feeling train this year.Curtis, why you not too hot on the great then I'm being worried aboutcousins. Actually, I don't know. Obviously if cousins doesn't perform it's animpact feeling. So I feel like it's going to be as hot as hewas last year and feeling obviously didn't perform great last year and when cousins washot. So that's why I've just got to a bit further down then you'dprobably expected him, especially considering he's in now a gun and twenty eight andeven twenty seven eight he was based. He was racking up T D's atthe I think he had what, eight straight games of a hundred yards intwenty eight, race record, I think. Yeah, so I don't know,I'm just I feel like I'm not as hot on him as obviously youare, and I feel like that just might be a because he was injuredmost, oh quite a bit, of last year and be because of cousins. So there's my two reasons as to why I'm not as hot on feelingas you are. Yeah, I have to admit there's a lot of riskattached with that. Like I'm a pretty risk wait, is risk averse?When you don't take into account risk or you use hate risk? Yeah,what's the one where you just hate risk? Risk Averse? Okay, yes,I'm pretty risk adverse, especially when it comes to fantasy. So it'sa bit contradictory for me to pick theeal and in as my wide receiver forbut yeah, I don't know. It's back him in Pilch. Yeah,I'm surprised by that. I thought I was high on feeling, but you'veblown me out of the water there, corker. But yeah, basically allthe same reasons as you digs, leaving freeze up, you know, ahundred targets and then I all just going to go to Justin Jefferson. Sofeeling will be taking loads of those. But they are a run first offense. Like Dalvin cooks, their priority. And also he is like twenty.I think he's twenty eight. He's like he's getting on a bit now.But all right, yeah, he'll be late this this season, no nodoubt about it. Like injury, injuries dogged him last year. Yeah,I actually like I'm pretty confident he'll be top ten. I think number forI have to admit's a bit ambitious. I'm not sure if there was tyrekill or Hopkins or Godwin on the table. I don't know if I'd take theealand over them. But I do think he's going to be very goodand he's going to be a great pick up. I reckon you could maybesneak him in like the third or fourth round and I think he's going tobe an absolute steal down there. But yeah, as Curtis said, cousinthis big question mark. Another question mark with him is digs leaving. Nowhe could couple lot more attention from the defense, where in the past diggsprobably almost got more attention than him, even though theal and was more,you know, like he had more impact on in terms of stats, butdiggs was kind of scarier for defenses because you know he can whip out likea sixty yard td. So I think theeal might struggle a little bit withthat attention. But yeah, I really like him and also he played thefirst half of last year and I know cousins got hot, but it wasthat was more in the second half. So I think now that they've realizedthey need to play a bit more, play action. With Dalvin Cook beinga beast, I think I might help thee but will have to wait andsee with that one. He's a big risk, I have to admit,and it's a bit weird. It's a bit of a contradiction for me becausethere's another guy who's not made our fifteen today. So we'll talk about himwhenever we do the roughies podcast, but I read him very low for similarreasons. So it's a bit confusing. But next up I've got Mike Evans, the other temple at that we're talking about. As I said, withGodwin, had no idea where to rank this guy, I think, aspeelch mentioned before, actually peeled, you tell us you've got him down atfourteen. Curtish, you haven't it six piled? Why not? Too Hoton? Yeah, I just I just think he's going to be the onethat gets dogged from Brady coming in, and they also brought in wrong likethey're they're tight end. How would just copped nothing in the receiving game lastseason. Gronkowski will this season, so that's already, you know, takinga few targets away. But I think Brady Brady can't really throw a deepball these days and he's he's elite in the short ball game, which willall go to Chris Godwin and Evans, I think benefits from the buccaneers beinga bad team, being behind in Games where they just have to air itout. We all expect them to be better team this season, so Ithink they can take less risks and you know, running a bit more pastit shorter. So that's why I dogged in there the hundred percent degree.Unless Evans changes the way players and maybe uses his size a bit more andlike makes shorter runs or something like that.

Or Yeah, I think he willbe someone who struggles a little bit with Brady under center. Curtis,why still back the great man in? You've got him a number six aboveGodwin actually, which is pretty spicy. Curtis, love it is I do. I actually back Evans be inside in for as well be on the phonesof Bruce area. I was actually watching a be on it yesterday, tobe honest, from Tampa, and when there was a win, a lotof the scrimmages, Evans was copying a lot of the passes. So thatkind of yeah, I kind of hinted me that that Evans might be theguy at this season. But we have away and say I just Buck Evans. Feel like he's a real, real good m running back at our sorwide receiver, and I feel like even though he he's one of those kindof go out kind of wide receivers, I feel like he can do morethan that as well. I feel like he can run around. If youneeded to run around and feel up, we might seat that this steason.Yeah, and, as I said, great if he changes the way heplays. Brady's actually had a lot of success with tool receivers. I knowthey're more in the tight ends end of things, but if Evans starts playinga little bit more like tight end, who knows, because last time bradyoperated with a few tall men. It was Gron can, someone whose namewon mention for reasons, but they both beasted at the Patriots in around aroundtwo thousand and thirteen, two thousand and fourteen, I's not say anything.And then in a number nine we've got Amari Cooper. I have to saythis is someone who, if I redid my rankings, I'd probably having abit higher. I've got them in a ten pilled to eleven curtis. Sevenfantasy pros have at twelve, Curtis. Why are you hot on Amari?He won't be comping as much attention as last year soon. Pull is thatfor me? Because you've got it's Gallop. Yeah, and you've also got nowyou got city lamb as well. So these nuts. Yeah, yeah, see, sir CD's going to be copying tension we're not necessarily attendent,but they did. They definitely have to watch out for CD and Amari stillgoing to be that wide receiver that you end it go to if you justneed to throw it and you just under pressure. So I feel like he'sstill going to be copying everything he copped last year, but he just beginningit with less at tension. So that was my thought process. Yeah,Pilch, why you lower it? Or you're not really lower and we've allgot him about fantasy pros, but why do you have a little eleven?Once again, I thought I was high on him, but yeah, he'sdone. Like he's known as one of the best route runners in the NFL. He's clearly the Alpha wide receiver on the cowboys. Like if people thinkgallops as good as him, they're absolutely delusional. But he also played halfof last season injured. Like the second half of the season he'd go intoevery week with the questionable symbol and a couple of the couple times he actuallylaid a goose egg because of a niggle. So he he'll just he'll be agun. I'm I genuinely thought I'd be highest on him as well,but yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I think if I went back anddid a having a little bit higher, but he finished fourteen last year.As you said, you had a pretty bad back end due to injury. He finished thirty one in that part. Be Ye as. I don't know. This is a little bit of uncertainty. CD lands coming in.He's not going to cop like ridiculous volume or anything, but that reshuffles thelike, you know, the market share of the wide receivers. But they'regoing to be a great attacking team this year. Should now get a fewmore touchdowns than last season. So I think he's a pretty good pick up. Now next, now we move into it. Well, if Curtis isoperating in a tear thing, I'd say we now move into tier three.Number we up to? This is our number ten. We've got DJ more. I had him at number eighteen. Piled at him at number seven.Curtis had him a number eight. Fantasy pros had the number nine. SoI'll start. So the reason I'm not too keen on DJ more is theysigned Bobby Anderson or Robbie Anderson. He so DJ more came sixteen overall lastyear. Robbie Anderson is pretty handy. I think he himself in fantasy termshe might have come like thirty or forty last year playing on the jets.So he's a pretty good wide receiver. So I think he's going to comein as the wide receiver to he's not going to be the wide receiver atone don't get me wrong, but I...

...think he'll take a few steps awayfrom Dj more, because I don't think he's just going to take away fromCurtis annual because he's pretty handy himself. So I think you'll take a fewtargets away from DJ more. And then also with the QB change, itshould be a good thing for DJ more because last year he is dealing withlike Kyl Allen and stuff. But I'm just not too sure. A lotof question marks there. A lot of change been taken place, there's anew coach. Yeah, everything. There's just a lot of uncertainty there.So I probably wouldn't risk it. Still using a fairly early pick on thisguy. So could even be like third or fourth round. So I don'tknow if I'd be taken that risk when there's other guys around in that area lot safer. But why are you big on who we talk about?Dj More pilch. Yeah, well, actually I think he's safe as housesbecause if he missed two games, he missed two games with injury and ifyou you know, scale is targets up to sixteen games. Here was actuallysecond in the entire NFL, I sorry, third in the NFL, behind Julioand Michael Thomas. And this season he gets bridgewater instead of Allan,obviously a way better quarterback, and their defense is absolutely Boris. Now they'llbe they'll be conceding touchdowns on every defensive drive they play. So all they'llbe going on offense throwing the ball. So it'll just the drives will takefifteen minutes, right. They'll they'll be conceding a touchdown in thirty seconds onevery defensive drive. So on offense is just going to be throwing to McCaffreyand DJ more so, just from a pure volume standpoint, I think he'scan mean unreal pick this season. Yeah, another thing I'm also worried about issometimes when there's a bad wall, like a new QB and rookie qblike Carl Allen, they will just throw to one guy, like means shedid with Shark hasking to do with McLaren. So that's also something I was abit worried about. But, Curtis, why you also getting around the DJin another eight above chriscone win May. Sorry, that's big spicy Kurt,spicy, cause Urch is always in my ear about him. Man PrettyPretty to be to be honest. I had human shock, I swear,just always always yapping about them, always yapping about them. So yeah,that that's why I've got him so high, pretty much, and that's why I'semate. That's wise. He's got the third easiest fixtures as well,so that's a very handy to the great man. And Robbie Anderson coming inmight take away a bit of volume, but, as we keep saying,there's always two sides to every coin, so you'll probably get a little bitless attention. Just quietly. That's a pretty handy wide receiving call, likefor the stress, like it's a strange team of David good wine receiving cool, but yeah, anyway, next up we've got Kenny Gold Ay. Thoughtson the ability mangle, having thought on the panthers and bengles having the bestwide receiver call. So next start at eleventh we got. We've got bigKenny, Kenny G. I actually searched up because I couldn't spell it orsomething something, so I searched up Kenny G. forgot that was like afamous saxophone player. Yeah, Kenny Gee. We've got him in the e level. Knows that Kenny Gee is like. That's actually like a famous person,I'm pretty sure. But yeah, anyway, I've got him inte thirteen. PILCH, ten curtis thirteen, so someone who would probably all pretty similaron but pilch just humor us. One of the reasons why Kenny G couldbe a top ten contended this year. Mate. Well, firstly I believesour ADP's actually like the wide receiver eight or something, am I? Yeah, the fantasy pros rankings a yeah, but ATP. Well, just Imet he was. Actually he was a God last year for fantasy. Like, obviously high ceiling, low floor, like can can pop out of athree, but can also pop out of two touchdown, you know, ahundred yard game. But Him Getting Matt Stafford, you'd Assoom, for afull season, will definitely help him out, and he should. He should averageone or two more points per game, which should land him in that areaand obviously has huge upside, which I don't mind in a wide receiver. Yeah, I and I think. I think another two points is abit extremes extreme, but not he will improve like he's he's actually one ofthe safest guys I reckon because he's unlike some of the other dudes were talkedabout. He's situation has hardly changed at all. Like there's no new widereceivers. They're really I think they added draw him house or something, buthe's not even in the like their top for wide receivers. Stafford's going toplay the whole year, hopefully, which was only great for Kenny. Cametwelve last year and I think what six...

...rounds you cot to back up qb. Yeah, so, yeah, pretty spicy. Seventh in fixtures as well, which is always handy. Curtis, any any, any potential negatives onKenny Gold A, or do you just agree with ether everything that's been saying? Yeah, I agree, and he's obviously, as you see, again, Strafford for more games, and Strafford was what are you laughing about?The fact that you still don't know how to pronounce Stafford's name is what itis, mate, are right, cop it. You got to own it, curt, you just got to keep saying think he's or I think hedoes not purpose. No, I write that though, but yeah, he'sa bit of a gun slinger. LOVES JUST TO USE ARM. So studiousgoal. It a perfectly and I reckon you will help go a day ifhe's in for the full sea. Yeah, a potential warriors maybe Marvin Jones.He got a lot of footy late last year, but I think hebenefited from Stafford actually going out, because I think Kenny is Stafford's boy.So yeah, pretty and he's the clear Alpha. I think Ken he's prettysafe. Like we have a ten man league, so if you're the tenman and you don't have a wide receiver one yet, I think Kenny wouldn'tbe a bad shower because I can't see a world where he's going to bebad. A robs next in at number twelve. All and Robinson at theshow. CORRIG or bears. I haven't seventeen item at seventeen. Pilch outof the eighth. Curse had it fourteen. Why are you big on a robI feel like people let it just gone in last season. You've justsorted by time. Mate, I thought I thought you'd be high as onRobinson as an owner, corker, but yeah, it was. He wasthe genuine third, third highest target share in the NFL and he's probably oneof the most underrated receivers, like in real life, because he's copped.He's copped some of the worst quarterbacks known to man and he still puts outthese these big numbers under the radar. They are legal. I can thatbenefits fe for sometimes, though, it's a weird how that works, becausehe's only like seventy percent of his targets were actually deemed catchable because of tributeand folds. The Fisher of staff old sucks, but he's better than he'sa better thrower than Rubiscay at the moment and I'm pretty sure he's going tostart around one. Yeah, I think nice likely. So that should benet. That should help our up Robinson. And Yeah, he's another guy that'sjust safe as houses with the with the volume. Yeah, I'll have youknow, as well, easy as fixtures in the NFL, according to fantasyand Babs, you pros were very bigginning as well. Bad Him at seven, I think. Yeah, they did actually seven. Yeah, yeah,Curtis, why not? Too Hot on him? What's more, yeah,they've got true Bisky as yeah, that's such in my the main and tobe fair, true bisky coming into two thousand and nineteen, he was actuallytauted a potential MVP candidate. So, yeah, I don't know if truebiskycan get shit together. There's a genuine chance that Robinson could have a massiveyear because trubisky could be gun slinging it right to him. But let's behonest, that's nothing happened. So yeah, that is the interesting one. Hekind of came out of the blue last year, but he did well. Not Really. I think it's been pretty good for a few years.I think used to play for Jacksonville something and I think he was a probowl there. Don't quote me on that, but I don't know. It's notthat I'm not hollow him. Like, if you actually just asked me beforeI did this sets, where would a rob come, I'd probably saylike around ten. But it's just the people put above them. I justthought they were better. That's like the only reason way slip down to seventeen. I don't really have an argument against him. If I'm honest, he'sprobably another guy like Kenny g arky's really safe. As pilch said, he'sguaranteed volume. So even if he's not scoring a lot of touchdowns or they'renot the biggest throws, he's going to get points perception. So he's justgoing to rack up. Once again, if you're in a huge league,like fourteen men or something, he's a guy who I'd love to take itas a wide receiver one, he's just going to pump out fifteen points foryou every week. Twelve or eleven? He was twelve and then can youwas even a rab twelve. Well, you're going to say caught it.So say, if someone here cops him in our league, for like asthat were received to the would be pretty happy. So yeah, it's kindof interesting one, though. If you had someone safe at wide receiver one, would you be willing to take an a Robert at at wide receiver toor would you try and pick someone with a bit more like variable upside,if you know what I mean? That's tell me I'm taking I rob becausehe's my wide receiver seven. But yeah, he'll probably end up being my widereceiver one. I don't know,...

I don't I need a it's abit of a weird one because, like, if they're going to average more,at the end of the day shouldn't matter, but like in match playit kind of matters. But I don't know. But Yeah, next upwe've got number thirteen. We've got Calvin Ridley. I had a middle eleven. You two had him at sixteen. Hawker fantasy pros had him at seventeen. So this is the first guy who actually shouldn't be here. He's stillon a living. But I'll go first. I've got him in eleven. Where'dyou come last year? Came Eighteen, but in the second half of lastyear, so after Muhammadsnou left he was fifth. So let that sinkingboys. And then at the end of the day we've talked about the falcons, how they're going to be better, which I think once again suits Ridleyand Austin Hooper's left who, as I said before, had ninety seven targets, which is a lot for a tight end. Ridley had ninety three.So say he takes, I don't know, twenty or thirty of those, he'sup to one hundred and twenty and all of a sudden he's looking likea top ten receiver despite being the wide receiver to of his own team.I do think that depends a lot, though, on the how many targetsHayden Hirst acquires, because he could get quite a few the incoming tight end. But yeah, I'm very high on Ridley, just another guy's I keepsaying this, but I think he's pretty safe. I can't see a reasonwhy he would go backwards from last year. He's reaching the prime of his careerreally well, it's kind of hard to know what their prime is,is wide receivers. It's very dependent on the person. But Um, yeah, I'm all about the Ridley train. Curtis, why you not too hoton really? Well, once again, we all have them above the fantasypros ranking. But why, if you got him down at sixteen, which, to be honest, I almost had him a lot higher, I wasquantemplating put him round where you had him cook and for a lot of thesame reasons that you said, I almost put him a lot higher because Ifeel like he's still lots of potential in him as well. Like we sawlast year games where he rapped up huge numbers and then games where he didn'treally so he get I don't know. Last year was pretty variable, tobe honest, like there were some games I think I had him in onmy bench and you wrapped up like twenty plus for games. So yeah,yeah, I don't know. He's even interesting one and I don't know whereI'd put him, to be honest, like it now. Just the ifit came to draft date, where I want to draft him and if hewas doing the board and I don't know he's he's really perplexing me. Yeah, I agree with you. I think the inconsistency and is scoring is justa just a by virtue of him being a wide receiver to in his ownteam. I think it's pretty hard to be consistent as a wide receiver to. But yeah, I think if you could draft them as a wide receiverto for your team, I think that would be perfect. I think isthe perfect guy to have. Their pretty much guaranteed to be a top twenty, if not top fifteen, and he's got to pump out some huge scoresevery now and then. So could singleheadedly when you some matches from wide receiverto pill j anything else to od the Calvin? Yeah, there's there's nodoubt that he's extremely talented and he's going to be a very good player,but just the fact he's on the same team as Julio and the Falcons havecome out and said that Hayden Hurst is going to be a threedown tight end, so he'll he should get a decent amount of work. And Yeah,like it's pretty rare that we see two receivers on the same team both absolutelyball out. Evans and Godwin, with the exception, because all the buccaneersdid would just throw it on every single play because I had a boris defense. Yeah, Falcons probably won't need to do that as much, but Icould definitely see Ridley balling out. Yeah, and another thing is now they've gottodd Gurley, so if his fit, they could throw it less, whichwould probably hurt Ridley more than Jones. But yeah, then that moves usinto our final two. They're almost a package deal, but we willstart first with Robert Woods at fourteen are boy, this is another guy.I think he's really safe, but I don't really know where to raid him, if that makes sense. I don't think it's going to be bad.I think it's going to be great adamant. Twelve pilled out at thirteen curtis,Nineteen Curtis. Why you not too keen on the woodst close cooper copstheir wide received for one, and he took a lot of they're quite abe like when when they need to throw to someone, they threw it toCook Cup and when they needed a touchdown at through the Cook Cup. SoI know it took way from woods a lot last year and I feel likethat might be the same as this year. Yeah, tilch. Well, therams were Piss Paul for the entire...

...season, but especially in the firsthalf of the season, and then they sort of changed up their game plan, which involved getting our man Woodsi back into the slot, which saw him, I think he came second or third and there for the second half ofthe season, and it pushed Cooper Cup out wide, who then went shitafter having it unreal the first time for it. Yeah, so, iflike woods would just probably in a play in the slot again. And ifhe does, who he'll couple the volume? Yeah, Couper Cups Fifteen, andI'll say that now. I hinted at it before, but they're it'sa very hard one to choose because, as Curtis said, couper cups probablythe wide receiver one, but in the second half of last year, interms of fantasy, woods was second and Cup was thirty second, but inthe first half it was pretty much the inverse of that. So it's reallyhard to predict what these guys are going to be, but I think they'reboth going to be good. Really I can't see a world where they're notgood in a ten man league. They both probably should be starters on somesort of team, I reckon anyway, if there's two wide received is oneach team, cut Pilchi had cup a twenty one. Curtis had cup andten. So a lot of variants there, but I'm sure it's just down tovarying opinions of cut being the wide receiver one and pilch looking at thesecond half year, starts of last year. Well, that's what I'm assuming anyway. But then another two kind of they're safe because they're going to dowell, but they could be anywhere from ten to twenty early S, Ireckon. A lot of it comes down to golf. They're running backs looka lot less. It's well, they are a lot less experience. Thisyear, so they could be throwing it a bit more than they were lasttime. So that could be good things for woods and cup. And Brandoncooks left as well, which could mean more concentrated volume for woods and cup. So as a Jeo they could benefit from that. Fantasy pros had themat fifteen, in the sixteen, so pretty much spot on where we havethem. But yeah, I like both of them as wide receiver, twooptions to be honest, but I can't like a bit scarred from woods lastyear when I had him in the first half and he was just pumping outthirteen s every week. May it was like seven. Yeah, it's tryingto be generous, but yeah, that's it. Any final comments on woodsand cup from you to where you have cup cook out of a fifteen?Yeah, yeah, as you said just I just think would is going tobe the clear Alpha because they started the change to to tight end, atwo tight and set up, which also saw higbee emerge in the second halfof the year as well, and the rams started winning more games when theystarted doing that. So can't see why they wouldn't keep that same offensive gameplan heading into this year. Yeah, but yeah, that's pretty much it. We've done our top fifteen. There you go. Thanks for getting tothis point. If you've got here, we're going to have to do itsometime the next week a half or something. But I would like to do awide receiver roughies episode because I can't lie, that's probably got a littlebit more sugar and spice in it than this one because obviously the he's topfifteen. They're all pretty body good at the pretty bloody good at the game. They know the game mechanics. But now, I'm sure it was interestingto hear our thoughts on them. So stay tuned for wide receiver roughies episode. But yeah, thanks for joining me. Boys. Campbells just screamed at thetop of his lung for the Lounge Room. Yeah, I've heard thatdead that we're talking opposite corner of the House. Silly business. But yeah, thanks for joining me. Pilaching Kurt being a pleasure. It's always thankscool having new boys on the potty. Cheers, mate. Love you,Mat Yeah, I love you, guys. Thanks for listening. I love you. Seeing you guys next time. That's a bit harsh. I washoping for pils to find that, but you didn't. s.

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