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Episode 55 · 1 year ago

"Is Tyreek Hill better than DeAndre Hopkins?!?" | Top 15 NFL Fantasy WR Rankings - Episode 54

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Hamish is joined by James and Pilch to discuss their consensus top 15 Wide Receiver NFL Fantasy Rankings ahead of the 2020 NFL Fantasy Season.

Cheese settle. Welcome back to the on the ball podcast. This is episode fifty four of the show. Once again doing an NFL episode today, so we're joined by the usual suspects, Curtis and Pilach. Welcome boys, and I might thanks Cork. Pleasure to have you back as always. So today we are doing our fifth installment of our little NFL fantasy season preview series. So we're up to the top fifteen wide receivers today and then next week I think we're going to be doing wide receiver roughie episode, so people who don't make this list that we still like, and then following that we will have I'm not sure if we're going to be doing our draft live on the potty or we might do a bit of a draft recap, like the day after something. We're not sure how that's going to work, but I'd like to do something like that. So it's almost one a week for the NFL fantasy content. On loving it. But yet, as I said before, we're going through our top fifteen. So we've all sent in a list of our top twenty five wide receivers and we've averaged it our I've got a list of our top fifteen. Pill just suggested today that we go from position one to fifteen because, you know, usually one to about four we usually share the same opinions there. So be a bit Spiceyah that I write that. So that's what we'll be doing today. So Yeah, without further gi can we just get straight into it. Number One on our list we've got Michael Thomas, you know, the Miss Number One. We all put them up there as the number one man. Curtis what like. There's not really much to say about him, is there? But why do you frof the great man? Tall, athletic, can catch fast, just gets the job done. No matter what I mean. There's there's not even much to say. Like he's just consensus number one. Even when he had the backup keeping last year was pumping out huge numbers. Just got he's guaranteed to put you in like twenty twenty range, twenty plush range every week. So yeah, I don't don't see why if you've had dopt you to pick him up, while you wouldn't. Yeah, like similar to seem seeing it. Lamar Jackson US we've discussed in lat previous episodes. The gap between him and second place is so big that even if he does fall back a little bit or number two improves a little bit, he's still probably he'd have to drop off a serious amount to not be number one. Piled are you very confident that he'll be number one or yeah, no, Brian, I like he's a he's a lock for to get the most targets again this year and like the amount of volume he gets. He's there's just not really anyway they won't be at least top to but most likely number one. Yeah, and then I know you're a bit of a psycher for some draft strategy. Are Pretty intelligent when it comes to up pilch. where. How early would you look at taking Michael Thomas? Like, I know it's usually running backs go first, but would Michael Thomas be a top three pick or do you not think he'd go that early? Would you take him that? I'm definitely taking the the the elite running backs before him. So I'd say maybe. If at the end of the first round, if he falls down there, then on maybe grabbing it. Probably not. Yeah, Kurt, have you thought too much about your draft or not really? Um, yeah, I kind of have. I was in my mind I'd go first, first round best running back you can get. So if you're up the top, you'd probably go top five running back because just they're guaranteed to put points in the board every week. And then I was thinking, probably Qub's going to be my second pick, especially if there's like my homes or Lamar up for grabs. I definitely waste my second round pick on that because I think they're both elite and they're guaranteed rack up points. And if someone like Michael Thomas or Tyre he'll, I presumer going to talk about sooner and they probably won't be on the board, but if they're on the board, they gat you got to go for one of them. You just could. That's when used to go start looking at your first wide receiver. The Look I think there's too much chance of them being well, Thomas being there in the third round, maybe Tyr Hill, who knows Vienna. The only thing with that call is he's basically a running back. That's how consistent he is, because he just gets like ten receptions a game.

So it's almost like as much of a certainty as running back. But now in general, wide receivers are more inconsistent, so you would be looking at a premo running back first when you but it's a bit of a weird one to think about. It's hard to compare the positions, so that not much really needs to be set on him. Fantasy pros ranked in the number one as well, so they agree agree with us. They're hes the fourth easiest fixtures out of all the wide receivers. So like his wide receiver group has the fourth easiest. So it's also pretty spicy. But without further ADO, we'll move on to number two. Just pipped number three. It was Davante, Adams Pilch, and I had them at number two. Curtis, you had him down at number five. Fantasy prose agreed with the impeach had him at number two. So averaged out to he was like, you know, three points or whatever. So, Curtis, why were you not too well? You were keen on him because you had him in fifth. Like let's not exaggerate that, but why did you have him below some of the other guys? I'm just a bit worried about the output. Will Peel. She has been saying this the whole time, but the outpit output of the packers collectively. So I feel like if that, if they that bees are there. Obviously heavily rely on atoms. That's Um wellknown and, to be honest, Rogers doesn't have much else going going for him in terms of wide receivers and tight ends, etc. So I'm just worried that, you know, some weeks, if he gets locked down, he's not going to be able to rack up those points just because they're obviously they're get it. There's going to be occasions when they're going to try and double man and will double team in and just stuff like that. So yeah, we's wait and see. But yeah, that's exactly why I had him a fifth and not in my top full, but still att what like. I was trying to cork about this before, but the way I did my wide receivers, I'm more tiered them because I found it pretty hard to put them in the set order. So if we're talking to you one wide receiving, still at one wide received in my books. Yeah, peel to wide. You had it like another two. Yeah, just basically because Rogers has absolutely no one else to throw too. We saw in the second half of last year he very much had to throw everything to Adams and now they've lost Jimmy Graham and Jeronimo Allison as well. So he's but he's pretty much guaranteed a hundred and fifty, hundred and sixty targets, which will lock him into the top five, probably even higher. He's not necessarily the second best wide receiver in the NFL, but just based on the situation is in at the packers has got him the number two for me. Yeah, I can't lie. I've been like in the last twenty minutes. I've been looking at my rankings and questioning some of the positions. This is actually one. If I had my time again, I might I would consider changing it. I don't know. He came sick last year, but the thing with me is, yes, they lost Graham and Allison, but I'm not too sure where he gets more points from. Like I guess Green Bay their attack might be more flu in this year because it was Matt Lafleur's last first year last season, so maybe they get a bit more expensive on the offense. But I can't see why he would like obviously sixth and he was fourth in the second half last year. That's obviously insane. But like, I'm not too sure where the jump up to second is. Like guaranteed to come, but yeah, as Curtis said, he'll be double teamed every week, but he probably was as well last year. Similar to Thomas, he actually has very easy fixtures. He has a second easiest in the whole of the NFL, so that's also something that probably helps his k this as well. But yeah, the next guy we're looking out is Julio Jones. This is the person I was just talking about. I'd probably reconsider putting him over Davante Adams. I had him at number three, Pilch, out of a number for and Curtis, you had him the number three, Curtis. Why do you have him above Davante Adams? I feel like them. I don't know. I feel like the Falcon's going to be better this year, so I feel like he's going to have more opportunity just to rack up big numbers. Last year obviously wasn't his best hear, though he did rack up big points last year. But yeah, I just feel like they're got to be better overall this year and as a result, I feel like coolier is going to have a bit more on his plate in terms of catches and yards. So I feel like you'll just wrack up a fewer points of last year and yeah, yeah, I agree with that. They're probably going to score more touchdowns as they do get better. Their attack wasn't bad last year, but just maybe a minor improvement. Also, Calvin Ridley's improve we'll talk about him later, potentially, but he's improved. So maybe...

Julio Cops a little bit less attention from the corners, like he doesn't cop double teaming or something like that. But then on the on the flip side, they have lost Austin Hooper, who had I think ninety seven targets last you, and Muhammadson who as well. I think he had forty five or something in the first half. So both those guys gone. Believe it or not, Julio's like targets could actually increase from last season and he already had like a hundred and forty or something, so could improve still on last year's pretty impressive season. Pilch, why'd you while you weren't not hot on him, as I said before, with Curtis and Adams, but why'd you have them that for? Yeah, well, like Thomas, we sort of know how consistent Julio is going to be. Last season he had the second most targets behind Thomas, so that that'll probably stay around the same, potentially drop a bit with Ridley expected to take the next step and become elite this year, but he'll still be right up around that one hundred and fifty range. I just think Adams has a Adams has is going to be far more likely to get more targets just because he has absolutely no competition and he does tend to score more touchdowns than Julio as well. Yeah, if Aaron Rodgers is ten out, he's probably more likely to throw it to Adams Than Ryan. Would be the throat to Jones, because you know, Ryan obviously has todd Gurley, he has Hayden hers to throw it to. He also has Calvin Ridley, whereas screen bay, it's basically just a f the coin between Aur and Jones and Adams. That move vertice was Julio or wide receiver to now through right. Yeah, next up we've got the curtis as wide receiver to we've got tyry kill and the number four. This is the first guy we probably differ on quite a bit. He was ranked fourth by the fantasy pros so far, with spot on with their rankings. I actually had him down at night, but I'll talk about that a little bit later. Curtis, you had him up at second why are you so keen on tyree? I feel like he was out quite a bit last year, especially in the first half of the see will first half bit more. Actually was my first two thirds the season. But when he was in he had a real impact and he did have a lot of points in the board once he was in the team. So once one, I don't know. Just seeing that just made me think maybe he's a top to prospect in the wide receivers and yeah, I don't know. It's obviously got the pace. They've got a lot of options as well, though I have to say, in what cans as well. So maybe, looking back at it, he might be bit further down, but I still think he's a top five wide receiving my opinion. Yeah, OK, peel to or so were pretty hard him. So do you agree with all that? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, and another thing I thought about. If you're going into a game like a head to head fantasy game, who is the scariest wide receiver that you do not want to verse in Fantasy? It's tight. It's tyree kill because he can chuck up a like Mahomes is thrown seven touchdowns in a game before. Like he can just absolutely go off and he's got an extremely high ceiling. So he's just a bloke that I'd probably rather have on my team for that reason, because he can win you a league just by himself pretty much. Yeah, the reason I got him down at nine is I just don't know if I want to put such a high pick on someone as inconsistent as Tyre kill. We know. So he's got to average high. I think he could average top five, but I still don't know if I would take him as a top five wide receiver, if you know what I mean, because I think he can actually lose you a lot of fantasy matchups by pumping out low scores. If you are I worked out his median of is. I think he played twelve games last year. So you had a couple games where he got injured early. So that canceled that out and it canceled out his mammoth games and he's median was actually twelve nine, which was for below his average. So I'm it showed that his thirty two point seven, and he's twenty six was seriously bumping up that average. But that's what you get with Tara Kill, isn't it? One Week he'll when your match, next week you might lose it for you. So it's just the kind of fantacy player you are really whether you want someone he's going to be up and down or someone who's just got a flat line like Julio. So yeah, I definitely see the arguments for him there. They have less running backs this year. They've got a rookie man is the number one option. So they already throw the ball a lot, but they could start throwing it even more. I think Kelsey would have received more targets that last year than he did the year before, so that's something. Not that would go against tyroch. He'll but yeah, the...

...reason I another reason I haven't now to Nice, let alone the median stuff, is he came eleventh last year. So that includes, I think, too injury affected scores. But for me I just don't see where the jump comes from eleven to like second. But I do think you will improve on Leven. But that brings us down to Deandre Hopkins. This is someone who, this was a tough one. At one stage I hadn't below a lot of the guys who have got coming up in the next few picks. I had him down. Yeah, I'm not going to say their names, I'm not going to spoil it, but I hadn't quite lower one point and then I would thought that's Deandre Hopkins. He's probably the most talented or second most talented wide receiver in the League, so I thought it'd be rude to have him that low. So we've got a minute fifth. I had a minute fifth as well. Peeled out aim at sixth. curtishy at him in fourth. So not that much difference. They're curtis. Why are you backing him over Davonte Adams? I feel like there's a lot of upstile with Arizona and consequently hot cains. Obviously the QB's narrow. Many second gear's got some more experience, so you'd think he's gonna be able to hit targets a lot more. Obviously he's a bit of a jewel threat quarterback, which might take away some point from Hopkins, but it's Hotkins like he just going to he's just going to put up points like whether whatever we think, whatever argument I feel like we're going to make, he's just somehow I'm going to put up points. He's got the best hands in the league. He's a great route runner. So, yeah, I just think he's in a rack up points. Like I just feel like, whatever arguments we make, it just going to happen whether we like it or not. Yeah, that's actually true. Like, he's probably one guy who, if you got double teamed, I would even care. Like yeah, he's going to just catch it, isn't he? He's that good pilch. Who Do you had them below all the guys have mentioned so far. So why are you not writing it as high as past years? Yeah, we'll, like you just said, I actually had him even lower at one stage, but then I bumped him up because, as Curtis said, it is Deandre Hopkins. Yeah, but I do think his move to Arizona is going to hurt him more than it all benefit, because he's losing the chemistry that he had with Watson and till. Naturally probably get a few less targets with a little bit more wide receive competition in in Arizona, with Christian Kirk set to break out, Larry Fits still kicking rose last year he had like Kenny steals. Is it and an injured fuller who only played it both the Maine Act. Yeah, I don't even know who that wide receiver too for half of it was, but yet so I expect him to get less targets, which will just me, and less points, but he's still a gun, so wouldn't be surprised if he's right up there. Yeah, the thing with me is why I hadn't so low at one point was there so much uncertainty around deandre Hopkins and pretty much anyone who moves teams, whereas all these other guys right up there haven't. Their situations haven't changed, so they're pretty safe. But John Dre Hopkins, you're probably looking at an early second round pick, maybe even a late first round of depending on how things go, and that's a pick you want to have a guaranteed gun in where Hopkins, as we said, he's John Dre Hopkins, so he's going to be a beast no matter what. But like, we don't really know what the situation is going to be like. Kirks looking good, Fitzgerald still getting quite a lot of targets. Hopkins hasn't really dealt with a high volume back up in the last like three years. The rest of his receiving course being pretty mythical. Only like to get a few targets in, like will fuller and Kenny steals, but we'll see how he goes. He is also taking although we like Carla Marie on this potty and we've rated him high and turns of fantasy in terms of actually here's nowhere near to Shaun Watson. I'm just Shuan Watson will make a lot better throws than Calamari will miss, if you know what I mean. But yeah, as we said, it's Deandre Hopkins, sir. Can't really hate on him too much. And another thing we were talking about the lack of wide receivers. He out of Houston. That actually might benefit him go into Arizona because you know, there might be less attention on him with defenders and whatever. But yeah, he's still making our top five, so obviously we still rate him very highly. Next or out. So now we move into that's pretty much the boring portion of it gone. They were all pretty much locked in that top five, I reckon. Well, not necessarily, but next up we've got Chris Godwin. Yeah, what was he second last year? Yet second last year overall, but in the second half of last year came eleven. So started off very hot, came home bit slow. We've all got in similar I had them at six, pilch five, curtis nine. Fantasy pro has had him at six as well. Curtis, why you're not too hot on Christopher Godwin.

Rod Christopher Godwin. That's I found out yesterday. So this is pretty much where I hit what I call like my second tier of wide receivers. So there's my clear first here who I feel like it is guaranteed to put up points, and then there's these two kind of second tier who were a bit more inconsistent. God when obviously, as he said, had it, had a ripper first part half the season, but then he kind of came back down to Earth in the second season, in second half of the season, and I feel like the second half of the seasons a more realistic representation of where he's at and what he's going to put up. So that's why I happened down at nine. I feel like that's where he probably sits. He probably sits around that kind of ten, maybe two, seven or eight range. So yeah, that's why I didn't down at night, just because laugh the second half, second half of last season was a better representation, in my opinion, of where he's sitting. Yeah, I'll be honest. Slides the Tampa Boys. I had absolutely no idea. At one point I had them down in like twenty and I had topped them up at like three and four. Like it's an absolute mystery what they're going to pump out this year, because going from Jamis to Tom Brady's probably the worst thing a fancy wide receiver can do because obviously, like an interception is not going to hurt a wide receiver score, is it? So they're just getting the positives from Jameis Winston. So yeah, I think that's a big worry. With these temper boys, I'd be very skeptical when drafting them. Tom Brady's not, you know, going to be throwing many passes of more than fifteen yards and yeah, I just pretty worried about it. If I'm honest, as I was talking about with Hopkins, any person who they a situation is changed drastically like a change of quarterback, you seriously got to take a great assault with like their scores last year and stuff like that, but at the end of the day is pretty good. He's in the mold of all the guns. Like he gets a lot of volume. He doesn't rely on like big eight yard passes or anything like that. So if if Tom Brady uses him like a Julian Edelman, I can't see why it's not going to be a top ten wide receiver once again. So yeah, Pilch, why you got a minute? Fifth, Yep, God would's an absolute weapon and he had one of the, might have even been the highest catch right in the whole nfl last season and, as he said, with Brady coming in, I think that'll help Godwin a lot more than it all help his partner in crime, who I've ranked fairly low, as will see soon. But yeah, the the God when generally plays in the slot, whereas Evans goes for the deep balls and Brady will be airing it out far less than Jamis was last season. So I think God when all couple lot of volume. Yeah, it's just yeah, a hundred percent agree with that. It's just a little bit uncertainty that I don't like when you're using such a high pick. But and then next. So here's where I said, here is where it gets interesting. Here is where it actually gets body spicy. This is where fantasy pros and the on the ball podcast start differing quite a lot. Next up we've got Adam thiel and I had him at number four. PILCH had him at number nine, Curtis Hadhim a number twelve. Fantasy pros had him down at thirteen. I'll start us off, actually, so I've got him in number four. Let's just let's lay the scene, all right, Adam feel and where they come. He came sixth and two thousand and eighteen, dealing with Stepan digs next to him taking all these reception, all these targets, this time to Stefon. Diggs has gone to Buffalo felts. He's dealing with a seventh round I was reading yesterday apparently Justin Jefferson's actually looking like he's going to be the wide receiver three for Minnesota this year and like a seventh round pick called like all the BC Johnson or something by their second there. So to me that's all that sounds like. It's just steal and feel and feel, and so that's pretty much the main reason. But then if you look at his average last year, wasn't great when he played, I'll admit that, but he got twenty in the playoffs game against the saints, who's one of the best defensive teams. He got injured in two of the Games in the first quarter. So if you take them out, his average moves to about fifteen, which would have fifteen, which would have had him about twenty low teens last year, which is not great. But you know, I think he was playing injured in quite in a couple of the games and when he came back from injury I think they rushed him back. So yeah, for me I can't see why it's not going to go back to two thousand and eighteen form when he was just raking in reception after a set option. When he's at his peak he can be like one of those top five receivers who just gets volume, whereas Stephan Diggs is more a bit of a Mark Evans...

...either, like go along catch a brother. So yeah, I'm big fan on the feeling train this year. Curtis, why you not too hot on the great then I'm being worried about cousins. Actually, I don't know. Obviously if cousins doesn't perform it's an impact feeling. So I feel like it's going to be as hot as he was last year and feeling obviously didn't perform great last year and when cousins was hot. So that's why I've just got to a bit further down then you'd probably expected him, especially considering he's in now a gun and twenty eight and even twenty seven eight he was based. He was racking up T D's at the I think he had what, eight straight games of a hundred yards in twenty eight, race record, I think. Yeah, so I don't know, I'm just I feel like I'm not as hot on him as obviously you are, and I feel like that just might be a because he was injured most, oh quite a bit, of last year and be because of cousins. So there's my two reasons as to why I'm not as hot on feeling as you are. Yeah, I have to admit there's a lot of risk attached with that. Like I'm a pretty risk wait, is risk averse? When you don't take into account risk or you use hate risk? Yeah, what's the one where you just hate risk? Risk Averse? Okay, yes, I'm pretty risk adverse, especially when it comes to fantasy. So it's a bit contradictory for me to pick theeal and in as my wide receiver for but yeah, I don't know. It's back him in Pilch. Yeah, I'm surprised by that. I thought I was high on feeling, but you've blown me out of the water there, corker. But yeah, basically all the same reasons as you digs, leaving freeze up, you know, a hundred targets and then I all just going to go to Justin Jefferson. So feeling will be taking loads of those. But they are a run first offense. Like Dalvin cooks, their priority. And also he is like twenty. I think he's twenty eight. He's like he's getting on a bit now. But all right, yeah, he'll be late this this season, no no doubt about it. Like injury, injuries dogged him last year. Yeah, I actually like I'm pretty confident he'll be top ten. I think number for I have to admit's a bit ambitious. I'm not sure if there was tyre kill or Hopkins or Godwin on the table. I don't know if I'd take theeal and over them. But I do think he's going to be very good and he's going to be a great pick up. I reckon you could maybe sneak him in like the third or fourth round and I think he's going to be an absolute steal down there. But yeah, as Curtis said, cousin this big question mark. Another question mark with him is digs leaving. Now he could couple lot more attention from the defense, where in the past diggs probably almost got more attention than him, even though theal and was more, you know, like he had more impact on in terms of stats, but diggs was kind of scarier for defenses because you know he can whip out like a sixty yard td. So I think theeal might struggle a little bit with that attention. But yeah, I really like him and also he played the first half of last year and I know cousins got hot, but it was that was more in the second half. So I think now that they've realized they need to play a bit more, play action. With Dalvin Cook being a beast, I think I might help thee but will have to wait and see with that one. He's a big risk, I have to admit, and it's a bit weird. It's a bit of a contradiction for me because there's another guy who's not made our fifteen today. So we'll talk about him whenever we do the roughies podcast, but I read him very low for similar reasons. So it's a bit confusing. But next up I've got Mike Evans, the other temple at that we're talking about. As I said, with Godwin, had no idea where to rank this guy, I think, as peelch mentioned before, actually peeled, you tell us you've got him down at fourteen. Curtish, you haven't it six piled? Why not? Too Hot on? Yeah, I just I just think he's going to be the one that gets dogged from Brady coming in, and they also brought in wrong like they're they're tight end. How would just copped nothing in the receiving game last season. Gronkowski will this season, so that's already, you know, taking a few targets away. But I think Brady Brady can't really throw a deep ball these days and he's he's elite in the short ball game, which will all go to Chris Godwin and Evans, I think benefits from the buccaneers being a bad team, being behind in Games where they just have to air it out. We all expect them to be better team this season, so I think they can take less risks and you know, running a bit more past it shorter. So that's why I dogged in there the hundred percent degree. Unless Evans changes the way players and maybe uses his size a bit more and like makes shorter runs or something like that.

Or Yeah, I think he will be someone who struggles a little bit with Brady under center. Curtis, why still back the great man in? You've got him a number six above Godwin actually, which is pretty spicy. Curtis, love it is I do. I actually back Evans be inside in for as well be on the phones of Bruce area. I was actually watching a be on it yesterday, to be honest, from Tampa, and when there was a win, a lot of the scrimmages, Evans was copying a lot of the passes. So that kind of yeah, I kind of hinted me that that Evans might be the guy at this season. But we have away and say I just Buck Evans. Feel like he's a real, real good m running back at our sor wide receiver, and I feel like even though he he's one of those kind of go out kind of wide receivers, I feel like he can do more than that as well. I feel like he can run around. If you needed to run around and feel up, we might seat that this steason. Yeah, and, as I said, great if he changes the way he plays. Brady's actually had a lot of success with tool receivers. I know they're more in the tight ends end of things, but if Evans starts playing a little bit more like tight end, who knows, because last time brady operated with a few tall men. It was Gron can, someone whose name won mention for reasons, but they both beasted at the Patriots in around around two thousand and thirteen, two thousand and fourteen, I's not say anything. And then in a number nine we've got Amari Cooper. I have to say this is someone who, if I redid my rankings, I'd probably having a bit higher. I've got them in a ten pilled to eleven curtis. Seven fantasy pros have at twelve, Curtis. Why are you hot on Amari? He won't be comping as much attention as last year soon. Pull is that for me? Because you've got it's Gallop. Yeah, and you've also got now you got city lamb as well. So these nuts. Yeah, yeah, see, sir CD's going to be copying tension we're not necessarily attendent, but they did. They definitely have to watch out for CD and Amari still going to be that wide receiver that you end it go to if you just need to throw it and you just under pressure. So I feel like he's still going to be copying everything he copped last year, but he just beginning it with less at tension. So that was my thought process. Yeah, Pilch, why you lower it? Or you're not really lower and we've all got him about fantasy pros, but why do you have a little eleven? Once again, I thought I was high on him, but yeah, he's done. Like he's known as one of the best route runners in the NFL. He's clearly the Alpha wide receiver on the cowboys. Like if people think gallops as good as him, they're absolutely delusional. But he also played half of last season injured. Like the second half of the season he'd go into every week with the questionable symbol and a couple of the couple times he actually laid a goose egg because of a niggle. So he he'll just he'll be a gun. I'm I genuinely thought I'd be highest on him as well, but yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I think if I went back and did a having a little bit higher, but he finished fourteen last year. As you said, you had a pretty bad back end due to injury. He finished thirty one in that part. Be Ye as. I don't know. This is a little bit of uncertainty. CD lands coming in. He's not going to cop like ridiculous volume or anything, but that reshuffles the like, you know, the market share of the wide receivers. But they're going to be a great attacking team this year. Should now get a few more touchdowns than last season. So I think he's a pretty good pick up. Now next, now we move into it. Well, if Curtis is operating in a tear thing, I'd say we now move into tier three. Number we up to? This is our number ten. We've got DJ more. I had him at number eighteen. Piled at him at number seven. Curtis had him a number eight. Fantasy pros had the number nine. So I'll start. So the reason I'm not too keen on DJ more is they signed Bobby Anderson or Robbie Anderson. He so DJ more came sixteen overall last year. Robbie Anderson is pretty handy. I think he himself in fantasy terms he might have come like thirty or forty last year playing on the jets. So he's a pretty good wide receiver. So I think he's going to come in as the wide receiver to he's not going to be the wide receiver at one don't get me wrong, but I...

...think he'll take a few steps away from Dj more, because I don't think he's just going to take away from Curtis annual because he's pretty handy himself. So I think you'll take a few targets away from DJ more. And then also with the QB change, it should be a good thing for DJ more because last year he is dealing with like Kyl Allen and stuff. But I'm just not too sure. A lot of question marks there. A lot of change been taken place, there's a new coach. Yeah, everything. There's just a lot of uncertainty there. So I probably wouldn't risk it. Still using a fairly early pick on this guy. So could even be like third or fourth round. So I don't know if I'd be taken that risk when there's other guys around in that are a lot safer. But why are you big on who we talk about? Dj More pilch. Yeah, well, actually I think he's safe as houses because if he missed two games, he missed two games with injury and if you you know, scale is targets up to sixteen games. Here was actually second in the entire NFL, I sorry, third in the NFL, behind Julio and Michael Thomas. And this season he gets bridgewater instead of Allan, obviously a way better quarterback, and their defense is absolutely Boris. Now they'll be they'll be conceding touchdowns on every defensive drive they play. So all they'll be going on offense throwing the ball. So it'll just the drives will take fifteen minutes, right. They'll they'll be conceding a touchdown in thirty seconds on every defensive drive. So on offense is just going to be throwing to McCaffrey and DJ more so, just from a pure volume standpoint, I think he's can mean unreal pick this season. Yeah, another thing I'm also worried about is sometimes when there's a bad wall, like a new QB and rookie qb like Carl Allen, they will just throw to one guy, like means she did with Shark hasking to do with McLaren. So that's also something I was a bit worried about. But, Curtis, why you also getting around the DJ in another eight above chriscone win May. Sorry, that's big spicy Kurt, spicy, cause Urch is always in my ear about him. Man Pretty Pretty to be to be honest. I had human shock, I swear, just always always yapping about them, always yapping about them. So yeah, that that's why I've got him so high, pretty much, and that's why I'se mate. That's wise. He's got the third easiest fixtures as well, so that's a very handy to the great man. And Robbie Anderson coming in might take away a bit of volume, but, as we keep saying, there's always two sides to every coin, so you'll probably get a little bit less attention. Just quietly. That's a pretty handy wide receiving call, like for the stress, like it's a strange team of David good wine receiving cool, but yeah, anyway, next up we've got Kenny Gold Ay. Thoughts on the ability mangle, having thought on the panthers and bengles having the best wide receiver call. So next start at eleventh we got. We've got big Kenny, Kenny G. I actually searched up because I couldn't spell it or something something, so I searched up Kenny G. forgot that was like a famous saxophone player. Yeah, Kenny Gee. We've got him in the e level. Knows that Kenny Gee is like. That's actually like a famous person, I'm pretty sure. But yeah, anyway, I've got him inte thirteen. PILCH, ten curtis thirteen, so someone who would probably all pretty similar on but pilch just humor us. One of the reasons why Kenny G could be a top ten contended this year. Mate. Well, firstly I believes our ADP's actually like the wide receiver eight or something, am I? Yeah, the fantasy pros rankings a yeah, but ATP. Well, just I met he was. Actually he was a God last year for fantasy. Like, obviously high ceiling, low floor, like can can pop out of a three, but can also pop out of two touchdown, you know, a hundred yard game. But Him Getting Matt Stafford, you'd Assoom, for a full season, will definitely help him out, and he should. He should average one or two more points per game, which should land him in that area and obviously has huge upside, which I don't mind in a wide receiver. Yeah, I and I think. I think another two points is a bit extremes extreme, but not he will improve like he's he's actually one of the safest guys I reckon because he's unlike some of the other dudes were talked about. He's situation has hardly changed at all. Like there's no new wide receivers. They're really I think they added draw him house or something, but he's not even in the like their top for wide receivers. Stafford's going to play the whole year, hopefully, which was only great for Kenny. Came twelve last year and I think what six...

...rounds you cot to back up qb. Yeah, so, yeah, pretty spicy. Seventh in fixtures as well, which is always handy. Curtis, any any, any potential negatives on Kenny Gold A, or do you just agree with ether everything that's been saying? Yeah, I agree, and he's obviously, as you see, again, Strafford for more games, and Strafford was what are you laughing about? The fact that you still don't know how to pronounce Stafford's name is what it is, mate, are right, cop it. You got to own it, curt, you just got to keep saying think he's or I think he does not purpose. No, I write that though, but yeah, he's a bit of a gun slinger. LOVES JUST TO USE ARM. So studious goal. It a perfectly and I reckon you will help go a day if he's in for the full sea. Yeah, a potential warriors maybe Marvin Jones. He got a lot of footy late last year, but I think he benefited from Stafford actually going out, because I think Kenny is Stafford's boy. So yeah, pretty and he's the clear Alpha. I think Ken he's pretty safe. Like we have a ten man league, so if you're the ten man and you don't have a wide receiver one yet, I think Kenny wouldn't be a bad shower because I can't see a world where he's going to be bad. A robs next in at number twelve. All and Robinson at the show. CORRIG or bears. I haven't seventeen item at seventeen. Pilch out of the eighth. Curse had it fourteen. Why are you big on a rob I feel like people let it just gone in last season. You've just sorted by time. Mate, I thought I thought you'd be high as on Robinson as an owner, corker, but yeah, it was. He was the genuine third, third highest target share in the NFL and he's probably one of the most underrated receivers, like in real life, because he's copped. He's copped some of the worst quarterbacks known to man and he still puts out these these big numbers under the radar. They are legal. I can that benefits fe for sometimes, though, it's a weird how that works, because he's only like seventy percent of his targets were actually deemed catchable because of tribute and folds. The Fisher of staff old sucks, but he's better than he's a better thrower than Rubiscay at the moment and I'm pretty sure he's going to start around one. Yeah, I think nice likely. So that should benet. That should help our up Robinson. And Yeah, he's another guy that's just safe as houses with the with the volume. Yeah, I'll have you know, as well, easy as fixtures in the NFL, according to fantasy and Babs, you pros were very bigginning as well. Bad Him at seven, I think. Yeah, they did actually seven. Yeah, yeah, Curtis, why not? Too Hot on him? What's more, yeah, they've got true Bisky as yeah, that's such in my the main and to be fair, true bisky coming into two thousand and nineteen, he was actually tauted a potential MVP candidate. So, yeah, I don't know if truebisky can get shit together. There's a genuine chance that Robinson could have a massive year because trubisky could be gun slinging it right to him. But let's be honest, that's nothing happened. So yeah, that is the interesting one. He kind of came out of the blue last year, but he did well. Not Really. I think it's been pretty good for a few years. I think used to play for Jacksonville something and I think he was a pro bowl there. Don't quote me on that, but I don't know. It's not that I'm not hollow him. Like, if you actually just asked me before I did this sets, where would a rob come, I'd probably say like around ten. But it's just the people put above them. I just thought they were better. That's like the only reason way slip down to seventeen. I don't really have an argument against him. If I'm honest, he's probably another guy like Kenny g arky's really safe. As pilch said, he's guaranteed volume. So even if he's not scoring a lot of touchdowns or they're not the biggest throws, he's going to get points perception. So he's just going to rack up. Once again, if you're in a huge league, like fourteen men or something, he's a guy who I'd love to take it as a wide receiver one, he's just going to pump out fifteen points for you every week. Twelve or eleven? He was twelve and then can you was even a rab twelve. Well, you're going to say caught it. So say, if someone here cops him in our league, for like as that were received to the would be pretty happy. So yeah, it's kind of interesting one, though. If you had someone safe at wide receiver one, would you be willing to take an a Robert at at wide receiver to or would you try and pick someone with a bit more like variable upside, if you know what I mean? That's tell me I'm taking I rob because he's my wide receiver seven. But yeah, he'll probably end up being my wide receiver one. I don't know,...

I don't I need a it's a bit of a weird one because, like, if they're going to average more, at the end of the day shouldn't matter, but like in match play it kind of matters. But I don't know. But Yeah, next up we've got number thirteen. We've got Calvin Ridley. I had a middle eleven. You two had him at sixteen. Hawker fantasy pros had him at seventeen. So this is the first guy who actually shouldn't be here. He's still on a living. But I'll go first. I've got him in eleven. Where'd you come last year? Came Eighteen, but in the second half of last year, so after Muhammadsnou left he was fifth. So let that sinking boys. And then at the end of the day we've talked about the falcons, how they're going to be better, which I think once again suits Ridley and Austin Hooper's left who, as I said before, had ninety seven targets, which is a lot for a tight end. Ridley had ninety three. So say he takes, I don't know, twenty or thirty of those, he's up to one hundred and twenty and all of a sudden he's looking like a top ten receiver despite being the wide receiver to of his own team. I do think that depends a lot, though, on the how many targets Hayden Hirst acquires, because he could get quite a few the incoming tight end. But yeah, I'm very high on Ridley, just another guy's I keep saying this, but I think he's pretty safe. I can't see a reason why he would go backwards from last year. He's reaching the prime of his career really well, it's kind of hard to know what their prime is, is wide receivers. It's very dependent on the person. But Um, yeah, I'm all about the Ridley train. Curtis, why you not too hot on really? Well, once again, we all have them above the fantasy pros ranking. But why, if you got him down at sixteen, which, to be honest, I almost had him a lot higher, I was quantemplating put him round where you had him cook and for a lot of the same reasons that you said, I almost put him a lot higher because I feel like he's still lots of potential in him as well. Like we saw last year games where he rapped up huge numbers and then games where he didn't really so he get I don't know. Last year was pretty variable, to be honest, like there were some games I think I had him in on my bench and you wrapped up like twenty plus for games. So yeah, yeah, I don't know. He's even interesting one and I don't know where I'd put him, to be honest, like it now. Just the if it came to draft date, where I want to draft him and if he was doing the board and I don't know he's he's really perplexing me. Yeah, I agree with you. I think the inconsistency and is scoring is just a just a by virtue of him being a wide receiver to in his own team. I think it's pretty hard to be consistent as a wide receiver to. But yeah, I think if you could draft them as a wide receiver to for your team, I think that would be perfect. I think is the perfect guy to have. Their pretty much guaranteed to be a top twenty, if not top fifteen, and he's got to pump out some huge scores every now and then. So could singleheadedly when you some matches from wide receiver to pill j anything else to od the Calvin? Yeah, there's there's no doubt that he's extremely talented and he's going to be a very good player, but just the fact he's on the same team as Julio and the Falcons have come out and said that Hayden Hurst is going to be a threedown tight end, so he'll he should get a decent amount of work. And Yeah, like it's pretty rare that we see two receivers on the same team both absolutely ball out. Evans and Godwin, with the exception, because all the buccaneers did would just throw it on every single play because I had a boris defense. Yeah, Falcons probably won't need to do that as much, but I could definitely see Ridley balling out. Yeah, and another thing is now they've got todd Gurley, so if his fit, they could throw it less, which would probably hurt Ridley more than Jones. But yeah, then that moves us into our final two. They're almost a package deal, but we will start first with Robert Woods at fourteen are boy, this is another guy. I think he's really safe, but I don't really know where to raid him, if that makes sense. I don't think it's going to be bad. I think it's going to be great adamant. Twelve pilled out at thirteen curtis, Nineteen Curtis. Why you not too keen on the woodst close cooper cops their wide received for one, and he took a lot of they're quite a be like when when they need to throw to someone, they threw it to Cook Cup and when they needed a touchdown at through the Cook Cup. So I know it took way from woods a lot last year and I feel like that might be the same as this year. Yeah, tilch. Well, the rams were Piss Paul for the entire...

...season, but especially in the first half of the season, and then they sort of changed up their game plan, which involved getting our man Woodsi back into the slot, which saw him, I think he came second or third and there for the second half of the season, and it pushed Cooper Cup out wide, who then went shit after having it unreal the first time for it. Yeah, so, if like woods would just probably in a play in the slot again. And if he does, who he'll couple the volume? Yeah, Couper Cups Fifteen, and I'll say that now. I hinted at it before, but they're it's a very hard one to choose because, as Curtis said, couper cups probably the wide receiver one, but in the second half of last year, in terms of fantasy, woods was second and Cup was thirty second, but in the first half it was pretty much the inverse of that. So it's really hard to predict what these guys are going to be, but I think they're both going to be good. Really I can't see a world where they're not good in a ten man league. They both probably should be starters on some sort of team, I reckon anyway, if there's two wide received is on each team, cut Pilchi had cup a twenty one. Curtis had cup and ten. So a lot of variants there, but I'm sure it's just down to varying opinions of cut being the wide receiver one and pilch looking at the second half year, starts of last year. Well, that's what I'm assuming anyway. But then another two kind of they're safe because they're going to do well, but they could be anywhere from ten to twenty early S, I reckon. A lot of it comes down to golf. They're running backs look a lot less. It's well, they are a lot less experience. This year, so they could be throwing it a bit more than they were last time. So that could be good things for woods and cup. And Brandon cooks left as well, which could mean more concentrated volume for woods and cup. So as a Jeo they could benefit from that. Fantasy pros had them at fifteen, in the sixteen, so pretty much spot on where we have them. But yeah, I like both of them as wide receiver, two options to be honest, but I can't like a bit scarred from woods last year when I had him in the first half and he was just pumping out thirteen s every week. May it was like seven. Yeah, it's trying to be generous, but yeah, that's it. Any final comments on woods and cup from you to where you have cup cook out of a fifteen? Yeah, yeah, as you said just I just think would is going to be the clear Alpha because they started the change to to tight end, a two tight and set up, which also saw higbee emerge in the second half of the year as well, and the rams started winning more games when they started doing that. So can't see why they wouldn't keep that same offensive game plan heading into this year. Yeah, but yeah, that's pretty much it. We've done our top fifteen. There you go. Thanks for getting to this point. If you've got here, we're going to have to do it sometime the next week a half or something. But I would like to do a wide receiver roughies episode because I can't lie, that's probably got a little bit more sugar and spice in it than this one because obviously the he's top fifteen. They're all pretty body good at the pretty bloody good at the game. They know the game mechanics. But now, I'm sure it was interesting to hear our thoughts on them. So stay tuned for wide receiver roughies episode. But yeah, thanks for joining me. Boys. Campbells just screamed at the top of his lung for the Lounge Room. Yeah, I've heard that dead that we're talking opposite corner of the House. Silly business. But yeah, thanks for joining me. Pilaching Kurt being a pleasure. It's always thanks cool having new boys on the potty. Cheers, mate. Love you, Mat Yeah, I love you, guys. Thanks for listening. I love you. Seeing you guys next time. That's a bit harsh. I was hoping for pils to find that, but you didn't. s.

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