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Episode 39 · 1 year ago

Top 12 NFL Fantasy QB Rankings - Episode 38

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NFL experts James Curtis and Pilch join Hamish to discuss the top 12 ranked QB's in NFL Fantasy for the 2020 NFL Season.

Cheese settle. Welcome back to episode thirty eight of the Honor Wall podcast. Today I'm joined by my NFL experts, James Curtis and Christian pilcher. How are we, lads? Yeah, good man, how are we good? Thanks. You know part did you? Did you watch a bit of the footy last star Lads, I did. Yeah, watch it all. colons looking pretty good. Win for them is actually fairly sizeable. Nine small last yeah, the collingwood getting up. Then England actually got off to a good start in the test match, which was surprising after the first half hour. The lads are three for two, hundred and seven stokes. You simply putting on a clinic. And then, I don't know if you store it this morning, but Real Madrid sealed their first low league title and like four years or something. So congrats to all the round with good players. They are all bigger listeners of the honor ball podcast, so congratulations to them. Now, fuck them. Fuck them. It's a bit stiff that moves. But today we're talking about NFL fantasy quarterbacks. So I don't know if you listened to what that you specifically, Curtis, but the people listening listen to the last episode, but I said that from now on until the NFL season, about once a week we're going to be doing an NFL fantasy related episode, since I just love NFL fantasy that much. So we're starting off with the big boys. Were starting off with the quarterbacks. I've got, well, we've all made like a top twenty list and I've averaged it out and we've got a top twelve for you today because obviously twenty and or whatever it would take too long to talk about. So we're just going to go from twelve to one. We're just going to chat about why they're in that position and so on and so forth. So, without further a Jew, should we just get into it, lads, dad did. Are we starting at one or twelve? We're going to twelve. We're got twelve. Keep them hanging, passing it up a bit. To be honest, it's probably more spicy to go the other way, but that's just a wrong thing to do, is to start at one. Could could only some suspense for the we ever knows who's one and two anyway. All right, so, based on average, we had a very close tie for like twelve and thirteen, but I made the decision and we cut out a famous quarterback, some say the goat. So He's missed out. The people who did make the top twelve we're going to touch on in next week's episode, which will kind of be a quarterback episode, where we chat about people who, like, could potentially beat bolsters and stuff like that. But in twelve we've got Aaron Rodgers, so I feel like we should clap or something. So Curtis, yeah, he had an average position of thirteen. He's average draft position on the fantasy pros website is actually thirteen as well. So we're on the money. There lives, Curtis. You had him an eighth wide. You have them so high. Well, he's not a complete jewel threat quarterback guy. I said this to you last night on fantasy. I'm a huge fan of Jew jewel threat because if you can't get it done throwing, then you can get it done running and vice versa. So it just means you can accumulate points either way if you have to do so. While he's not a complete jewel threat, he's certainly got some legs on him. So if he needs to get out and bolt bees them. The arms not working too well here, can do that. So I thought he was a bit better than a few quarterbacks I had lower down, just to name a few, like Brady. So yeah, I thought he's obviously our king's in a bounced back from last year, bit of a better year, hopefully. So I had a bit higher than that than twelve. But yeah, you should have a good year and he's seen around that. Probably late late single digit to early teen kind of thing. So yeah, that right. Pelchat. Do you think about a rod you had him in twelve, so pretty much on there with though what that happened to is, as you boys now, I'm a big fan of Aaron Rodgers and I hold him in higher guard in the in the real life terms, as one of the best quarterbacks in the COMP but for fantasy this year I'm not to bullish on him because I'll say this to you the other day, corker, I don't I can't see where his like three thousand, four...

...thousand yards is going to come from this season. Obviously you've got Adams, who will get, you know, one, one, two hundred thirteen hundred yards, but other than that he you don't even know who is. WHO's number two receives going to be I mean it's looking like it will be Adam Lazarre, but can't really expect too much from him. You probably throw a few two Jones and Williams at running back. But yeah, I just can't see him putting up the big numbers, if I'm honest. So Yeah, I'm at twelve. Yeah, and if you've done the mouth he's average position was thirteen and you guys have had him eight and twelve. So that does mean I've been pretty low on the big fellow. I've actually got him in nineteen. Yeah, I don't know, you're kids. Let me so. In the second half of two thousand and nineteen he was the twenty nine ranked quarterback in the League in terms of fantasy points. So suck on that one. Sucking. So that is pretty much one of my major factors. Twenty nine in the second half. He was only sixteen overall last year. So it's nothing special. And Yeah, nothing's really improved for the team. So I don't really see apart from himself, I don't think anything else around them is really gotten better. He's lost one of the better Oh lineman in his you know, offense, and he lost Jimmy Jimmy Graham however, in his favor, he has really good fixtures. Feels like the third easiest fixtures across the whole season out of all the quarterbacks. He does have a by early, which I don't think is ideal and fantasy, because I reckon you want to have someone with a by late, because then you can kind of you have a better feel for who to stream in for that week and you know it's a bit of a guess if it's like round, for who to stream in. So that's also something to take into account. But in two thousand and eighteen he was six and two thousand and seventeen he was four. So, like, I definitely could see a world where he just bounces back and is a top ten QB. But for me, as Pilch said, I just don't really know who he's throwing to and that second half of last year just really scared me because, yeah, there wasn't didn't seem to be anything wrong with him. He just seemed to be playing bad. In saying that, though, last year will these first year with the coach, so you think that would get better this year? You think they would, you know, become a bit more in sync and the play book would get more advanced, which might help his cause. But yeah, I've got him in nineteen, but I'm willing to admit that's probably bit harsh. Be The competition now as well, so you might have to step up. Come on, they're not benching him, but that never know me who does it? Who knows does it? Jamie Winston, mate, there might have been a wake up called that if he wants to get another like four or five years out of his career, he needs to go back to those two thousand and seventeen eighteen seasons. That leads us into number eleven, who was also tired with Aaron Rodgers on an average position of thirteen. However, wait, I think actually did this right. I think rodgers should have been eleventh. Roethlisberger should have been twelve. But yetting really yeah, because Curtis had rodgers and eight, and the highest for Roethlisberg was ninth, which was me so good. Rogers should have been eleven. Sorry about that. So roethlisberger changed that. Rodgers of eleventh, Roethlisberger at twelve. But they're both tired of this. Really matter? Roethlisberger in a twelve. It's a big gamble. It's a big call. But for me all I have to look at really is that two thousand and eighteen score. He averaged twenty one point three. He was the fifth ranked quarterback, and then in two thousand and seventeen he was eight ranked quarterback as well. So he just really has a track record of being good at fantasy and that's pretty much sort of got to say on and really he's got it ease behind a really good offensive line. Doesn't have for the greatest offense, but it's certainly not bad by any stretch of the imagination. But in saying that, that year he did come fifth, he did have informed James Conner and Antonio Brown at his service. So you could argue without a be he'll be worse, but I think they've got enough there too to help him out. So yeah, I've got him in ninth and he's got a relatively easy start to the season as well, which lift lifts him in my eyes. You both had him in fifteen, actually exact same spot, Curtis. Why do you have him? Doubt at fifteen, just when I was gone through the list and I was couldn't see be above any of the other boys that had ahead of you. To be honest. It was like a simple as APP as and just so you speaking then like just thinking about it a be He's lost him and the Adam in two thousand and eighteen. So that's a big score off for him. Conner is isn't probably as inform or at least last year wasn't as informed as he was you before, and now he's relying on Juju as his number one receiver, and Juju didn't really chop...

...out last year. Let's be honest. He really kid by. He wasn't bad, but he kind of struggled relative to him being the second why I receive us. So I just don't see where he's racking up massive point from like the other voice, like, for example, Rogers built. Yeah, obviously losing Antonio Brown is pretty big for Big Ben. It's similar with Curtis. For me, there's just too much uncertainty to be drafting him above the other old times, like a you know, Brady Rodgers, Stafford, people are that just because he's coming off that big injury as well. He's he's two years older than he was when he had that good season couple of years ago. And Yeah, so that is why I have him below them. Yeah, I think he's probably I think there's a few people below him who probably have more upside. But like, I'm not sure if he'll be this season that they break out him up be in a couple of years. But yeah, ninth is probably a bit ambitious. I'll admit that. He they did add Eric Ebron who, although he's probably a bit of a myth to most people, two years ago when he was the starting tight end for the colts he was actually like one of the best tight ends in the league. So he might help out Big Ben, who's never really had at all target before. Also, another thing that might be, like, I know, a beasy huge out. But another thing that might help me out is they've got such a good defense now that he's probably going to get more balled than he had in two thousand and eighteen because there's going to be more turnovers and a lot more like fourth down shut outs and stuff like that. So that might help his cause as well. But yeah, he is twelve and Rodgers at eleven. So that moves us into ten, with actually no bit of variation on this bloke. We've got Maddie Ryan. By the way, Ben Roethlisberger was actually at pick fifteen on the fantasy pros like ranking. So you both spot on there. Matt Ryan in it number ten, the Atlanta Falcons quarterback. He had an average position of eleven and one third on fantasy pros. He was looking at pick eight. Pilch, you also got him in eighth. Who you had them at the highest. How come you've got him in at eight? Yeah, well, I actually really like that Ryan. I think he's a little bit underrated in the NFL, but especially this year. I think the Falcons have probably, I would say, a top three receiving call in the whole NFL this year with our Julio and Calvin Ridley set to have a big breakout and also bring in Hayden Hurst at tight end. So for me, unlike Rogers, he's got all these all these receivers to throw two. So I can see him really in the big yards and obviously he's a very talented dub as well. So I'm bullish on him. Yeah, right. Ryan's a tough one for me, to be honest. I've got him in at fifteen. Who Court, if you had him at eleven. So I had him at the lowest, similar to rodgers. For me, he just had a really pour second half to last year. He ranked twenty in the second half of last season. So I do expect him to approve a little bit on that, but I don't think him. I can't think of a reason why he will be much better. If I'm honest, he's got hard fixtures throughout the season and he starts against pretty tough opponents. He's got a pretty bad offensive line to protect him, which is another thing that I don't like about him, and also something else that I factored in was, as we talked about on the last NFL podcast. I'm not sure what Todd Gurley is going to produce, but let's say if Todd Gurley comes back and he's, you know, running it ten to fifteen times a game, well, you would think they would start becoming a more balanced passing the running team, as opposed to last year where they were predominantly passed because Davonte Freeman sucks. So I think they might take a few like past attempts away from Maddie Ryan. There, Coitus, you've got a minute number eleventh, mate. Well, why have you got him sitting there? Experienced ed on him, got Julio Ridley with him. So He's pretty stacked in a wide receivers and then they're what they really lack last year is a running back to compliment them and him. So they got girly. Were not sure how good he's going to be just because he's the most injury point play prone and play in the NFL. But yeah, well, I have to see if girlies, if girlies, even like seventy five percent of what he was in that two thousand and eight season, then our can Ryan could have a good season...

...and rack up a few points, Cuz then they've got and they're just not looking straight at Ryan and, you know, blitzing him. They're having to worry about a bit of a run game now as well, and you know, then you you too big wide receivers. So yeah, yeah, that is a good point. Like I was saying that having a better running backs a bad thing, but it can definitely work and his favor, because all of a sudden they could be scoring ten more points a game, meaning like he's getting more passing yards, more of passing touchdowns as well. Yeah, I think the the Falcons have much bigger touchdown upside this year because they were woeful last year and in our prediction. Video think we all had them to improve quite a bit in terms of the terms of the season. So yeah, that's another thing in his favor. He's an interesting one to pick because you think by this stage of his career he'd be a bit more like a rodgers or a brady where you kind of know whereabouts how about they're going to do. But in two thousand and seventeen he was the twenty four ranked quarterback. In two thousand and eighteen he was the fourth and then last year he was the twelve. So kind up and down. So a tough one to predict. And he's also lost, although Hayd Hurst is coming, who could be a staff for them. They Lost Austin Hooper, who was like one of his favorite targets, which they'll be interesting to see this next one. We've all had him very similar. So Number Nine we've got Matthew Stafford. I had him at ten, pilch eleven, yeah, pill to eleven, Curtis twelve. So Curtis, why do you have him in at number twelve? Are Well, it's pretty similar to a few others. Like I just looked through the listing thought who was better than him? Just chuck them above him. But yeah, it was bit of a bowler last year when he was playing. Like I haven't got him in my team at one point just because he was whipping up numbers until he did his back. But yeah, I think he'll be similar to last year in terms you still rack up points. I reckon and yeah, he's loves to sling it, so that's always a good thing. Plenty of touchdowns there, but obviously it means inconsistencies in terms of interceptions, stuff like that. But yeah, we'll have to see how it goes. Yeah, Peach, what about you there? Yeah, you're a bit of a fan of Stafford after he or he did for fantasy team last season, Curtis, but obviously the broken back is a concern. But he does have he does have weapons in goal a day and Marvin Jones he bought out last season. So I mean if he's fit, which is an if, but if he is, then I can't see any reason why he would be outside the top wealth. I mean he's he he loves to throw a touchdown and they're they're a past heavy offense. So there's I'm positive about about Staphnie. Yeah, fair enough here. I've got written down. I did, like I found some offensive rankings and stuff and they expected the lions to drop from eighteen to twenty five. But I just looked at the outs and inside I can't I can't really see what the logic behind that one is. There are line did take a little bit of Hit, but surely that's not important enough to do that. Yeah, he has fairly Nice fixtures as well. Despite being in a very tight division. He has like the eighth easiest according to the fantasy pros website. He at the moment his ranked twelve, but on the fantasy pros site, so spot on their Russell coitz. But yeah, another tough one to predict because last year, as you got, as you mentioned the courtesy, was awesome, like he was seventh overall in terms of points, and then in the second half of the year, I think he only played one game or something, but he average like well, you got like twenty six in that game or something. So it looked, it was looking really good. But then in two thousand and eighteen he was the thirty eight ranked quarterback and he played every single game. So that is a bit of a conserve for me and probably stops me from having him higher, because if you just go based on us Jud it's kind of hard to see why it's not going to be good this season. And then so stafford was tired with Josh Allen of the Buffalo Bills, but we had Josh Allen a bit higher and higher. Mean pilch. However, Curtis, you have the big feller down at number eighteen, which which had a bit about this last night because I thought it was found it interesting that you had Alan Solo, giving your love for the jewel threat. So, John, explain why you've got him down eighteen. Um, honest, see him in the same category as like Jones and Donald like. He like like. If you think about last year, you watched him, he was he fumbled like every single game. He loved to fumble. He's in a defensive heavy,...

...defensive heavy team. You did rack up many points, like in terms, not in terms of fantasy points, but in terms of like points in the school board. Yeah, and I just don't see how he's a top twelve quarterback in fantasy when you know you compare it to other duel threat quarterbacks and you compared to, say, like mahomes will soon breeze. I just don't I just didn't see him. Just couldn't see him above like all them and in the top twelve, in the top twelve quarterbacks and fantasy like. It was pretty simple like and I just see him the same category as though he's the young upling home is. He's not a fully complete quarterback yet. He's probably going to improve relative to last year, but he plays in the cold. You know, there's a lot of there's a lot of against him in terms of racking up the points, to be honest. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not sure Curtis is aware how highly Josh Allen was ranked last season. What where was he? Cool? Well, when you adjust for his injury affected game with a concussion, he was ten tender and he was seventh in the second after the season. I can't see any reason why he wouldn't improve, as Curtis said, and they've added Stephan digs into their wide receiver artillery. So He did hate. He did rely heavily on his rushing touchdowns, though. Yeah, that's true, which will probably come down if you because that was a bit of an anomaly there. But yeah, I think I had him at number seven. So, yeah, I write and pretty highly. Yeah, I'm a number seven. Fantasy pros also had him at number seven. I've but, as you said, pillage, he did rely heavily on the rushing touchdowns and if a few more go to Stephan digs and devin single terry improves up the middle, he might take a few away from him. But yeah, as you were saying, Pillach, I'm not too sure how he's going to get like much worse, if it all worse. So yeah, and he's like really Lainey from strange for you, from Kurt but fair play. He has added up a way better wide receiving than what he had last year as well. So you think that would improve his throwing, watch me words, boys, watch me words. He's gonna be he's gonna be trashed this year, right, absolutely trash. Yeah, I'm not going Donald Jump seem, Jones jump seem. I agree feel Joe seem point you're making. Like I don't think he's the seventh best quarterback in the league, but it's just the fantasy game. If the Racktros, there's stream of seventh here. They hardly scored last you were talking most of their winter like se four Tis. He had like they think, and just carried them through. Yeah, it's because he had like a rushing type. I think he had like eight rushing touchdowns or something, which is, what's that like six points or something? So that should be Mayfield, a pile of shit, Ben Fucker, how and mate? Okay, or yeah, not fair enough enoughter, fair enough not to show the logic. They're all right. This is probably the last person that we vary a lot in now selection. So we've got drew brees and number seven. The top six is all pretty similar. So we got drew brees at number seven. Peeled. She had him in at ten court as she had a minute at nine, but I had a minute for fans throws had him at ten as well. So similar to YouTube. But for me I just think ten's pretty stiff if you actually adjust his average last year, because he had that game where he against the rams where he hurt his finger, so he came out after like I don't know, for tense. So if you take away that from his average, he actually average the second highest in the whole competition last season with twenty two point eight eight. So just from that alone, he's offense hasn't got worse. His own lines improved if anything, so I don't see why he would be slipping down to ten. He is getting older, but it's not like he's a duel threat QV really. He has always relied on his throwing and that didn't look like slowing down at all last year. And one thing you always want in an NFL qb is to play for a good team really, because they're going to be putting up a lot of points each week, each weekend. The saints are going to be really good again this year. So I like drew brees this year. I like them a lot. Peach, why if you got him down at zero? Yeah, well, I think is a DP is around seven or eight. So I've been a little bit stiff on him, but obviously bought out at the end of last year. But I think that twenty two point eight is quite a bit above his his main so I just basically expect him to regress back to his back to his average...

...a bit. And after my top seven, it was sort of a pick out of a hat for the old time, a tear is what I call it, with your Bradi's breezes, Rogers stuffs and Yep, just they just ended up at Zen. Fair enough it there. If there will it's not fair enough. Actually, you just said you've picked him out about basically, but Curtis, what was your logic val and having him in another nine? Obviously I love a jewel jewel throat, but to be honest, it should really matter with breeze, just because brice is an absolute jet. I know I was a bit worried about injury. Last year he got injured a bit and bridge run out to come in and save him a bit. So that was a big concern for me. So obviously you don't really want to be changing up your cub's too much in fantasy because they require quite a bit to get a decent trade in. So you know if you want to go dcent qb for DCENT QB and he's injured, you know your your opponent might ask for quite a bit in return. So you kind of want to get someone new's not to injury prone to that was actually big concerned for me when actually looking at it. And then obviously just I was just a bit worried also about maybe the corhesiveness of the team, just considering you know that in the offseason it has been a bit of a chatter about that in relation to the black lives matter, protests and the kneeling. So I was just interested about that. So we'll have to wait and see. But yeah, he's definitely a top top twelve, top ten QB in terms of fantasy, but him he might be lacking in terms of the injury department and, you know, ensuring that he's on the view. Yeah, fair enough, pretty sounds a logic there, mate. So then at number six we have Kyla Mauri. I. Well, why do you have them at for Cork? Just because of that twenty, that average? Oh yeah, yeah, right, my bad. Put Him another two last year, so I can't see why he'd slop slip too much lower. Kyla, we had him at number six. PILCH, you're very high, and Kylie, you had him a number three, whereas, being being Russ, will had him down at seven. The fantasy pro rankings had him a number five. So, pilt way, you got him so high. Yeah, I'm surprised that Curtis didn't have him a little bit higher as well with all this duel, Duel Threat Talk. But obviously, apart from Jackson, he's probably the second best rushing qb, I would say, and he's added obviously deandre hopkins into his Arsenal and going into his third year, just natural, natural improvement on him. I think he'll be a star this year and he was very good last year as well, especially in the second half of the season. So He's I've got him at three. Yeah, I think we're all going to have pretty similar logic. With Mari it's just I don't know about you, curse by. I think he's a hundred, a hundred percent agree with everything you just said. I just don't think isn't going to improve enough to get two, three necessarily this yeah, it's just like I literally just didn't see being better than, say, a Russell Wilson, or being better than, say, a press Scott. So yeah, it just simply came back to like looking at the Q be's and then looking at their pros and floors and then determine him whether you know, you saw them as being better than the other cubes. And obviously you know he's going to be an average team as well. So they're not exactly going to be, especially in the division they're in, like arguably the highest division in the NFL. So I don't say I do say upside in the cardinals as well. I think they will. They might make, they right make the playoffs, but they will be better than last year and their offense would definitely be better than last year for sure. But you know, they're playing, you know, the rams twice. They can play the night has twice. They're playing the teahawks twice and all the bat the nights. Yeah, but doesn't mean they couldn't been the night as this year. That's okay. So it's it's a pretty old they will beat the nighters. I thought you said they beat them last year. They will, I know, mate, we'll have to see. But yeah, it's a stack division, so it's a tough competition. So it doesn't mean he's actually going to be on the OHS, going to be on the feel that much as relative to other teams. So it doesn't mean he gets the exactly the opportunity to, you know, rack up points in the fantasy yeah, I definitely they think he has probably one of the biggest upsides out of all the qbis on this list in terms of where he was last year to where he will be this year. A similar to what Curtis said. That's something I just didn't like. All pretty much all the quarterbacks above him play for playoff teams who are going to parlem points each week, except for one who not sure how their teams going to go. This shit, but we'll talk about that in the...

...second so yeah, that. But yeah, Carlin, it's free. Fair enough. Yeah, I like him as a pick just because he has a lot upside, but he's probably not. There's probably safer picks out there that you want to be taking early. But if you're a gambling man like pilches, he loves his sports, but I can't see why you would take the big Kmari. Now number five we have big rusty Wilson. I hadn't at five. Peelch out him at six curs she had him at for. Fantasy pros had him at for as well. Really hurt, Curtis. Why you have them at for? Had A great year last year, arguably the best due quarterback. Probably I would have found of a shorter qb as well. Someone subsect foot kind of issue. So just so beast all around. Don't see how he won't be racking up points this year. He's got metcalf, which I think he's going to be absolute staff and I think he's only going to get better. So he's got a real good wide receiver in him. Still you got lock it. Not sure if he's inn have a big as big years you did last year, but I just still seem racking up points. Just don't see how he's not going to be a top five fantasy qb perfect, you jewel threat quarterback. So if you can't get it done throwing, you can get done running. So yeah, he's going to be racking up points and that's why I have him around four or five pilch. Yeah, well, like with breeze, I just think is his average will just naturally come down a bit because you obviously I had an unreal fantasy year last year, especially in the first half of the year. But yeah, I just obviously be right up there in the top six. But I just think Kyle Murray will become a better version of Russ himself and I just like the I like Murray and the other two blokes who were about to mention a little bit more than Wilson. Yeah, I can't. I do have Wilson Above Murray by two spots, but I have to say on draft night, if that if they're there both of the taking, I wouldn't be surprised if I went with Kyle just. I don't know there's a better arm. Who has a better arm, Kylo Wilson, but rus like Murray, has more potential to, you know, be a top two, top three quarterback, where we probably know Russell Wilson's going to be somewhere between four and six or something like that. But Not Wilson's probably arguably one of the safest picks. I think the seahawks are going to be there and they're they're all thereabouts once again this year. So they're going to have to get their points somewhere and it's probably not going to be too much from the running game. So big rusty will be racking up the points as he did last year, but he actually has fairly easy fixtures, which is surprising given the fact that he's in that division, but they're enough. So number four tight one between Russell and this bloke that we had deshaun Watson, me, me and Piell Chan him at six and five, Curti Autam at three and fantasy pros had him at six. Curtis. Well, if you got the big fellow at number three. It was pretty seem like when I was obviously drill threat love with your threat, as I've said about six times. So it'll continue with that trend. But I keep saying I like it. I just like looked at him. I just compared him to the QUB's I had below bitch. I'm surprised one of them is ahead, but we will talk about that later. Yeah, and I just thought he was third on my list. To honest. I was like, it comes draft night, who am I going to pick third? And he was in a third great arm and him got legs on him. I don't know if the old lines improved. I'm hoping it has, because it's pretty it's been pretty shit quite a while. So if it's improved, you know, big win. But he's obviously lost, as you lost Hopkins. He's lost and lost tops, so that's a big loss for him. But yeah, I just I just just a beast of the competition in yeah, I think he's just in a whip up points. Is Not real much logic to it, unfortunately, but is what it is. Pelch. Yeah, well, for me, the the factor between Watto and Kyla Murray is basically the Hopkins factor. If Hopkins was still at the Texans and I probably would have had them reversed. But just because of Hopkins, I've got married ahead of him. But obviously Jill Threat Yep, I've had him at one place ahead of Wilson, just because he'll get running touchdowns, running yards and he's still a great qb. So yeah, yeah, pretty right. You've pretty up set at all. Just super start the competition. The only...

...thing for Deshaun Watson is he didn't end the great last year. In the second half he had the eleventh highest average, which is probably not what you want for someone who you'd have to be taking in like the fourth or fifth round of the draft. And he also has very tough fixtures to start the competition. He has the thirty ranked fixtures, so the third hardest in the camp, and then in the first three map is he's actually got the hardest out of anyone. So although in the long term it might pay off, you might have to just put up with some tough ones early on and just weather that storm. But yeah, I've got him at six. Yeah, as you guys said, just superstar. Can't really see why he'll regrets too much, if at all. He's still young, so that's good. progressions should see him be good and I'm not too sure if the Hopkins well has got to hurt him too much, if I'm honest, although, as you see, like breeze and Thomas, it can be pivotal to have someone who can rely on. I think spreading your targets across a wide receiving call my help his game as well, though, because maybe sometimes, you know, he was too busy looking at Hopkins when there are other options open. But we'll see how that goes. Now in to the top three. Curtis, you said You weren't too happy with number three, but for me I reckon the top two is clear, like I think their way better than everyone else, and then for about third to eight, it's all like pretty close, but fair enough. If you're not happy with this, number three is going to have to call. We've got we've got big DAKERS. Prescott fantasy pros had him at number three as well. So done well, they're I had them at number three, pilched number for Curtis. Number Five, Curtis, why aren't you happy with Dak coming in at number three? Oh well, now I'm just thinking about right back Russell over him, back Watson over here. I know, I just like to be honest. When I just think about it, when it's come down to the wire and you know the teams needed a td and you know that's another td gets some fantasy. Hasn't been able to do it. He's always fallen short a bit. I guess he has. Now who they draft? Actually who now? They know, and a bit of model. See, they yep seed yet weapon. I've had a mind blank their voice or about that one. But yeah, see, these are weapons. Are Big. See there's actually a weapon. So to be fair, actually I can see why you might have him at three because he's obviously got Zeke with him as well. But then again, Zeep might take a few points off him. You know, if he could perform to be better this year relative to last year. He didn't perform badly last year, but you know, could be a bit better. So if z performs a bit better, he might take a bit more bold time and consequently you might lose a few more points from Prescott Hilt. Yeah, well, as you said, they drafted lamb and he's got he's an absolutely loaded with offensive weapons. Great Oline. And where did he finished last season? Corker, sick, sick. Yeah, so, based on that there's no not really any real reason to say why he wouldn't improve in terms of fantasy. He's obviously a worst quarterback than these other boys we have up here, but in terms of fantasy it's hard to see him not producing numbers, even though I don't really like him. But yeah, he's got he's got to be, he's got to be up there. Yeah, I used on that. I can agree, by the way, to those listening, my rankings have been like adjusted feet games where they were injured after like a quarter or something. So if you google it they might be a couple spots off. But yeah, yeah, dark you're pretty much said it all. Really just can't see them putting up big scores on a regular basis, to be honest, with the attacking weapons they have, like, I think it will be a pretty common sight to wake up to the cowboys having a put on like forty or something, even if it means they've conceded thirty themselves. Similar opposite to Kyla. Actually, they're in a Shite Division as well, which very fair actually, which will help him, especially early on, which is usually you know, play your division early, and it actually might also help you in the fantasy playoffs if they you know, have a game against the giants or Washington late on. But yeah, great, aline great weapons. Better attacking coach this year, as Garrett was one of the worst attacking coaches. So can't really see why is not going to improve on that sixth position last year.

So yeah, I like. I like that this year for fantasy. But yeah, as you said, pilt, pretty rude that the quarterback of his calibers up around these. But just after realized something. Carson Wentz hasn't. Hasn't made the top twelve. That means one of you boys has dogged him hard us. It will touch on it on the next quarterback at twenty. He didn't make. Go to pick twenty two. Didn't make think twenty two. Right, Jimmy J above it. Yeah, so we'll satisfy. That's a disgrace. will discuss all the emissions in the next episode. Oh Yeah, you like your jewel threat quarterbacks to curtis. Clearly, mate, if you've chucked Carson wentz outside the top twenty two. Yeah, I mean Curtis got dogged as well because he's number six. Was Big camp and he missed out. So him should not. Let me know let me know when when today. Let me know when when he's on the pitch. Made to get get your scores and then come back to him. Yeah, so we'll miss the whole knew with injury, mate. Yeah, but that's the point. Now he's fully fit. So I mats and he's playing time. He's playing a beast team with the best coach of all time. How is he not racking up points? I'm sorry, but has, you know, racking up point make the Patriots have no weapons. You don't need weapons, but you need is just a all right, we will see. Will Save this for the next episode. So we're going to chat about the people who missed out on our twelve. Would like to say I did not rick this, but none of my top ten missed out. So so that leads us to our top two. Everyone knows who they are, just a mat matter of what order we had them in. Sitting at number two we have the four hundred and I think it's in Australian dolls. I think it's five hundred and four million or something. It was a quiz question on a sporting quiz I did the other day. I think it was five hundred four million dollar man. Yeah, cross ten years just resigned P Mahomes, Patrick momes, the second, or is it? Did we all have him at to or did someone someone? I didn't. I like that you'd like, and fantasy pros having the number one as well, which is really for their fantasy. Promising Raisin, I think it's a case of you agreeing with fantasy pros. Then even whe wonder way face he pros went as well, mate, just just interested at number nine. Actually so yourself when a mate went have camp nineteen. Yeah, so those wondering fantasy pros is like it's a website. They have a ranking where they print, like we've done here today. They get like a hundred people's rankings and they, you know, correlate them or whatever, combine them. Watch. Watch, can be a beast. Mate, back to a lot it. Why do you have mahomes above Lamar? Curse this. I just don't know if Lamar's going to be able to back up the year before in terms of not just fancy but on the pitch performers, like he had a real good year and you know it's only going to take one team to work out what the fuck they're doing and then every other team to follow them and it. You know it's going to fuck up their whole system and fuck up his chance to bracking up point plus. I'm big concerned as well. I mean it's pretty unjustified considering he hasn't really got injured, but I'm worried about him getting injured as well, like there's a genuine chance that, you know, this year could be the he gets injured and he's out for half the year. Well, so it takes a lot of hits. So he does take a lot of hits. So it's a concerned, but it's something you're going to take with a play off the color of Lamar, because obviously I adam it to. So he's still up there. But yeah, I just need my homes. Is going to bit more on him and you know, he's my homes going to have to, you know, show up that five hundred four million dollar deal. So he might, you know, have a bit of fire in him and rack up some points, hopefully. Yeah, it's really weird debate really, because it's like you, I think, but any of us would chop off our fingers to be rolling in around one with one of these FELLAS, which had jumping off my feet. It's figured. I'm not not gonna draft them above a above a running back man. Well, you know what I mean in terms of quarterbacks. Come on, you dogs. Yeah, for me I've got Lamar above the homes. I do. I wouldn't be surprised if he fell back a little bit. But he has a six point buffer on who Patrick my home, so he can regress three whole points and still be a sold three points above my homes if my homes average similar to last season. Yeah, neither of them.

Neither of them. Their position has really changed. Like I don't think they've brought in either of them brought in offensive weapons really. Lamar they drafted running back, but that won't affect him. Lama probably could have used a wide receiver or something, but you know, he doesn't throw that much. I might not affect him. They both have pretty similar fixture difficulties. Lamar has a lot easier fixtures at the start but then levels out because they're sixteen and Twenty second respectively in fixture difficulty. So yeah, I think it's really just lucky dip out of these two. But yeah, I prefer Lamar because I can't see a situation where Lamar has a bad game because no matter, no matter how bad the ravens play, he still going to get like a hundred yards on the ground, like I just don't see how he's not going to, which is automatic ten points and then he's just got to do the bad basics to, you know, get above fifteen. So I just can't see a world where Lamar has a real shocker of a game. We're not saying pee Mahomes is ever going to whip out a for on a regular occurrence but like you know someone if they come up against a really good defense and he struggles to get the ball over the line, who knows? But Yeah, pillage, what was your logic behind it? Yeah, well, as he said, the six point. He beat him by six average points per game. I agree with Curtis. There's no, absolutely zero chance. Jackson averages more than you did last year. That was just insane. Who I I know he'll come down, even if it's just a little bit. And then with my homes, the thing the old premiership hangover and the huge money deal. We've seen it before. Players can slack off when they get that huge contract. Not Saying mahomes will, there is a chance and obviously the premiership hang over and in that argument the Ravens will definitely come out firing after after a poor playoffs performance last year. So that's in Jackson's favor. Beyeah. The rushing, the rushing stuff is just fantasy. It's just all about rushing for cubes, like if you're rushing for fifty yards, two free, two, three, five points, and Jackson goes over a hundred regularly. So I just can't really I can't see my homes catching up to him in terms of points per game. Yeah, Pretty Fair logic from both of you that I can see both sides of are argument. Just to shout out to the to the coach of Mishi's men, for trading Lamar Jackson after round one for Muton, probably the greatest decision a fantasy coaches ever made. But I have to say I'm proud of myself. I don't care that I trade him. I had him at number seven in my preseason rankings and no one had him in like their top fifteen. So I'll take that from myself as even though it me trading him, you know, ruined by chances of being half decent, but it would should ye, that's our top twelve. I've actually enjoyed it. Discussion should have me, then they just orders. So we'll chat about the people who missed out in an upcoming episode, hopefully with both joined by the same well, I'm joined by the same gang that I have here today. I was discussing this with pilled the other day. Might Chat about it in an earlier like earlier, in an episode upcoming, because I don't think anyone's probably listening at this point. But, Kurt, what do you think about this? I was thinking of running a League through the on the ball podcast. So what I was thinking, I'm back, was on like instagram or something. You know, I'll just send out a like, let me know if you want to be in it, and then each week I'll do an episode where we Lu Review the league's week, or maybe fortnightly, and we discussed like the big trades that happened, the big wins for each player and coach and team and stuff like that. nothingly, I get to win. So yeah, because you've wouldn't in last year, I pumped you in the in the semis. Yeah, Hitler's oven, pumped Gotcha. To those that you can't you can't find. Well, you made it. Your name made on fantasy. How else am I mean to say. Yeah, see me. All right, that'll wrap us up. I think we so change my name, Utim for MVP. Thank you. Yeah, on his list, Yaddmg. Twenty one there right in brackets. Got To get around the man like that. But yeah, so tune in next week if...

...you want to hear us chat about the how many other twenty other quarterbacks that missed out today. And Yeah, thanks for listening, thanks for joining me, boys, been a good episode. Thanks having and yeah, enjoy a weekend. Cheers when sucks.

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