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Episode 38 · 2 years ago

England vs West Indies Test Series & The Unpredictability of the 2020 AFL Season - Episode 37

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Pilch joins Hamish to review the recent first test of the Wisden Trophy (ENG vs WI), preview the upcoming second test as well as discussing the undpredictability and relative equality in the 2020 AFL season as of round 6.

Cheese settle. Welcome back to you on the wall podcast. This is episode thirty seven. I think I have short term memory lost, because I'd I genuinely check it every episode about five seconds before we start to get every time. But I can convene. This is episode thirty seven, so I've got you there. Lads. We're once again joined by peach, hence my laughter. He's head. Welcome back man. Thanks, mate and chess for that ego boost. Pretty Big One. You deserve it. You need to be lower down a peg every now and then. So today we're just confute a bit of genuine chat about sport, like we did the other week, but today it's probably going to be mainly about the cricket, the test match that just finished. Test Cricket is back and, believe it or not, England went down. So our predictions were off by quite a fair way. We thought would be an easy whitewash for England and were already we already lost the prediction. Is Only one test into the series. Well, how do you find the testament? We lost quite a bit of it. What do you think of it? Yeah, I think you probably watched a bit more than I did, but obviously a very disappointing result for England, but I think it was mainly due to West indies exceeding our expectations. I think I was. I was quite surprised by them. We thought they would probably just copy it, just cut the copy sausage. But yeah, they put up a good fight and especially happy with their batting. Yeah, I didn't really stick.

They did quite well overall. When you look at the totals they made, you'd probably be like, what do you want about pilch? But yeah, the just the way they battered, they were quite like characteristically the Indians. If you west Indians, if you thought of a stereotype, you just think of like a flashy player who doesn't really put much value on their wicket. But yeah, a lot of the players really fought hard and did yeah, just didn't hand over there their pole to the English team and made them work very hard for it, which is a good thing to see for the West indies. I also need to point out something. I think I said on the preview episode that had my was like dropped for attitude and something, but Shimron had my Darren, Bravo, and Chemo Paolo is also in and around the team. All three of them rejected the call up because they wanted to stay home. I really families because coronavirus. So apologies to those fellows. Obviously they're listening to the PODCAST. So yeah, pretty dog for me just having a crack at them when they're doing a pretty respectable thing. So that makes this when even more impressive. The wet the West indies probably missing two, if not three, starters. I know Jason Holder came out and said Jermaine Black Woods probably only playing because those guys aren't on the tour. So yeah, pretty pretty interesting stuff. They're not I sell news for England to when you hit find out that they could be there like they're a weekend side. As an England fan, how did you see this result? We we do you think it's disastrous or what? You just think it's a bit of a first test back? Just let let it go water under the bridge. Yeah, well, it is first test back, but obviously it's a disappointment. You don't want to be you don't want to be losing to the West indies on your own home turf. But yeah, I wouldn't say disastrous...

...and obviously we said it would be a low scoring game and the West indies. I thought about it really well, especially their middle order, which coupled and probably aren't first string, as you said, with those players being out. So yeah, yeah, I don't think, apart from maybe black would, I don't think any of them played flashy innings that would make highlight reels. But looks like Shane dowage and Rost and chase, although they didn't. Well, Dow it's got a fifteen the first things, but they didn't score biggs, they didn't make big scores. But the innings were really like characteristic. They were personified the wind, basically just gritty performances. Chase didn't even look like he was hitting the ball that well, but he just fought in both things and he actually was one of the better players on over this course of the five days. But for me the biggest story of this test such was the umpiring. The umpiring was absolutely woeful. The only other umpires that I can think who have had a worst GIG was bomb rubbing in one of the ashes test matches. But and Alim dare not giving someone snicking off the firstly. That's pretty proud, but this, this was pretty bad. I have to admit a lot of them were tough calls, but I think there was seven or eight overturned calls the went against the umpires original decision, which is just horrible really. Like you don't normally see more than three or four and a whole test match and we will basically setting that many pertainings. So real shocker from Richard Kettle Brown Richard Ellingworth. I know, like the players, it was their first test back and I'm sure they and had too much warm up. Like I don't think there would have been standing at practice matches for two months. Just look at nuts. But pretty poor stuff really,...

...and I'm not suggesting there was like any intentional cheating or anything, but it is interesting to note that this is the first test that non neutral umpires have been allowed. So both these umpires are from England and out of the seven or eight overturned decisions, I think only one when in England's favor, like all the others were given in England's favor. And then we're overturned for the West indies. So maybe there's a bit of a subconscious bias that umpires just can't they just can't oversee. Really when there's a fifty fifty call, they might just go with their home team and I'm like, yeah, as I'm saying, I'm not suggesting their purposely trying to get England to win, but maybe this is something we're just going to have to deal with when there's non neutral umpires, that their natural, like subconscious decisions will tend to lead towards the English players. But I guess, DRS, that's why it's there. So, although it's not good footy from the UMPIRES, you don't have to want to have to rely on drs for every single decision pretty much. But there was no incorrect decisions made in the end because drs corrected them all. So at the end of the day it's probably not the worst result for the match. Like I didn't think it had a bearing on the match, but it was just something that was pretty hard to not talk about. Really, it was pretty horrible for you. From then, something I've started, well, I've only started yesterday, but I've been thinking of starting it for a while. Like I was mainly thinking about it for NRL and AFL, but I wanted to do my own sort of best and fairest MVP brownlow dally and whatever you want to call it, and just see what my end score is and see how close it is to the official one, see how it differs, and I just saw like you know what, what, what's stopping me from doing this for other sports as well? So I'm going to start doing this for just any sporting event that I watch, and this is the first...

...one I've done it for. So I got you to send me your votes as well. We did a five, hundred and forty, three, two, one, because I think three is not enough people. If I'm honest, I like, why not have more if you can, Yep for me. My five went to Jason Holder. Three, six far, although I think Shannon Gabriel took more wickets in the whole test match. He took nine over the two innings, I think. I don't know if whole lot it took a wicket in that second innings. He took one. So you finished with seven for the match. But I think he's captaincy and he did a little bit with a boat as well. Didn't make too many runs, but that knock in the second innings he only made what do you make? Fourteen, not out, but Germain black would look started looking like he was getting a bit shaky and it started looking like Ben Stokes has but one really good areas and that they could have clutched up England and had a great test win. But Jason holder just thought it through. He basically just said to Black Hord, let's just play tip and run, let's just drop it into the gaps and run singles, and then England's going to panic, and that's exactly what happened. So although it's a fourteen, not our it's not great, I think it was worth its weight in gold really. So that was why I gave him the five votes and I really do think that six for set up the test match after that spell on Day to England and basically chasing, chasing the westernise the whole time. I don't think England really got back ahead of the game really, except for maybe a thirty minute period on day five. You gave your five to shunning Gabriel. Yep, what was that? What went behind that decision making? Well, for me there was a bit of OCD there. It was solely because he won the official man of the match. So that's where I gave him the five. I'm sorry, man, but to be fair, he took four wickets in the first five we gets in the second. So I can't really I can't really fault them giving...

...him the amount of the match like. It'd be pretty tough to argue otherwise. Yeah, I'll COP. I'll copy him getting the man of the match for you, but I don't cop that as a reason, just because he got the official one. Otherwise I would be the point of doing this thing. Otherwise I'll just have the exact same brownlow and Dalyam or whatever. But yeah, it's rock in the arm in the showdowns. Whoever wins the showdown, metal gets the gets the three votes. On Browno not. Yeah, but it's probably like the same people deciding that. Yeah, probably is where it's like we have nothing to do with the gezs, who've picked shotting Gabriel there. But not to be fair, he was probably the outstanding bowler across the five days. Jason Holder, although he took seven wickets for the match and was really influential, he really only had one spell, which tour England part where Gabriel pretty much every spell he bowled he look like taking a wicket. So yeah, very fair there. We both went Jermain Blackwood for the four votes. Yep, pretty much solely for his second innings really steered the side home. Yeah, he's put ninety five out of two hundred, so you don't really have to say much else. And he came in. He came in when they were looking England will probably looking like winning at that stage, three hundred and thirty, and he yes, I studied the ship, as you said. Yeah, he came in at three hundred and twenty seven and left left the party when they are only needed eleven to win. And although it was a really bad shot, I was very disappointed that he didn't get his century. I think it was a match winning innings. Yeah, and he deserved a hundred for it. And he has something. He loves playing England. They were showing his top scores and stuff and I think four of his top five and now against England. So I know if he's just played a limited amount of tests and a lot of them have been against England, coincidentally, but maybe it's just got the wood over some of the bowlers. But yeah, he was really aggressive. Showed really good intent which I think a lot of batsman lacked in this test. I think a lot of them got bogged down at the crease, especially in the England top order and...

...yeah, he really took on the game ran really well as well. And Yeah, just thinks the aggressive intent he showed similar to what a stokes shows when he bats. It really just puts the oppositions side on the back foot and puts a lot of the bowls and the captain under a lot of pressure. So although he didn't get to that century, it was definitely a match winning knock and would have arguably been deserved to get the men in the match award himself. So yeah, I think that's a no brainer there. If he's getting anything less than a three voter from either of US auld have been very stiff. Yeah, Jason Holder and Shannon Gabra. So done the reversal, theft a number three. No need to explain that. For the to voter, we've gone Roston Chase Roston. He just did nothing out standing really, just really solid all test match. He had two starts. He had a forty seven and a thirty seven, both fairly slow, but you put in good partnerships in both innings and there with the ball. Yeah, I have to admit he doesn't look like the greatest bowler, but he took two wickets in the second innings and didn't bomb the first so hard to really fault him if he's a part time at taking two wickets in an inning. So fair play to Roston. Yeah, as we said, nothing special, just did bits and pretty much every innings he needed to. And then number one, I've Gone Shane Dowrich and you've gone stokes he. Yeah, how come you went stokes? He? Well, upon hearing the chase made forty odd and thirty order. Actually thought he made more than that the first innings. So if you haven't mind, I'll actually swap stokes and chase because obviously, based on the stats, stokes had a much better test match. The WESTERNIS did win, but stokes, he took for forty and then to twenty or...

...thirty odd in the second innings and s which helped the English innings, has by far England's best player. So I'll give him. I'll give him the two votes there. Yeah, fair enough. I didn't give stokes a vote, but it is pretty stiff. He was definitely one of the best players over the course of the five days. But for me, Dour, it's impact. Although he didn't score a huge score, he scored pretty score in the first inning sixty one, which is one of his highest scores in like two or three years. He's had a shocking time of it, but yeah, that's really impressive. Days ruggaled in England last time he had naverage a for I think over the three match to our juge. So this is really big for his confidence and really really big for the West Indian team because they do bat deep, but there's no point if you're going to bat deep and all the bats been about. So good for them that they have someone down at seven or eight who can perform when they need into and once again, similar to chase, not an outstanding innings in the second innings, but he made twenty or thirty seven rocks. He was really struggling against archer like looked really uncomfortable quite a few of the short ones he turned his head away from it and could have gone anywhere. But he fought really hard, as he did in the first innings, and so I think once again that twenty helped really help steer the side home here. I think you put on how much did you put on? You put on sixty eight with black wood. So he only scored twenty of it, but he was there. He and he also did a lot of like he did quite a few pep talks to black wood when he would try and size up Jimmy over his head or something. You'd go down to the other end, Carmen down. So I don't think that impact can be understated. And he also had a good game with the gloves. I think you had five to five or six dismissals. So yeah, took a good catch down the leg side to dismiss Sidley. Yeah, but pretty stiff from pretty stiff a Stokesie for me? Definitely. Yeah,...

...for me, just the fact that it was the captain in the losing side. He dropped the catch in the second innings. I think the way he's two dismissals were pretty disappointing. I think he got himself out as opposed to the bowl of getting him out. But yeah, bold really well on that. Final learnings. I did think it was going to be another stokes moment of magic there for a second. But yeah, I have to say England, they didn't enough to win this test match. They just didn't take their chances in the second innings, I think. So they ended up taking six wickets, but I reckon with all the chances added up. They could have had eleven or twelve. I think that was for drop catches maybe. And then ZAC cruelly missed, like it's hard to say missing run out because he didn't pick it up. So it was like, even if you picked it up, he probably when to hit the starts, but it was a pretty clear cut chance. I don't think he would have. I don't think you would have needed a direct hit because the bloke was halfway down the pitch. Bla was steaming into the stumps. But yeah, so that was a missed opportunity. And then stokes tried to premeditate a cut shot at slip. He started running the other way and it was a fine edge and he got beaten by it. Yeah, who else drop catches? Rory Burns, one straight through his hands a gully. Didn't even react. And who is the third Butler drop one down the leg side? That's right, I think. I feel like best might have dropped one off his don't part of it, but yeah, I think there was another tough chance somewhere in there. And then so that really cost them. They took six wickets all that out of it and would have been enough for them to bowl them out. So and a lot of it was against Blackwood, I'm pretty sure. So if they got him out on forty odd, fifty odd, all of a sudden the West indies needed fifty or sixty with luck, you know, not so informed bats when at the crease. So yeah, that's pretty much it in terms of...

...the match overall, in terms of selection for the next test. Where do you think England go from here? May Well, obviously it's the Joe Rout coming in dilemma. I mean I think we both want denly to make way for a route, but you never know with the with the ACB, I mean even though he made a seventy, cruelly might cruelly might come out. But hopefully it's Stanley. And then, obviously I'm hoping we bring in broad as well, probably from Mark Wood, who might be a bit unlucky there, but broad needs to play. It was evident, evident by the way we bowled that we needed him in there. So two changes. For me they're yeah, I agree with you, to be honest, not so much the would deserves to be dropped. I actually didn't mind board being left out. But yeah, I think for me they left him out due to the fact that they're just going to rotate through that bowling group all summer all winter for us. So I yeah, I think pretty much every test it's just going to be a bolt alla come out in, the bowler come in and I reckon this test I wouldn't be surprised. Yet was mark would, unless Jimmy or joffer have injury niggles that they want to you know, rest. Yeah. So yeah, I would. I would sit out. Would for this one and then maybe Jimmy the next one. Yeah, because you don't want Jimmy Bowling too much. But then again joffer is coming back from injury, so maybe they'll sit him out. Yeah, I think broad he should should have a crack back in that back in that bowling attack, and then the rest of it I'm pretty fine with. I don't think there will be any other changes apart from yet route coming in. I'm praying that it's denley cruelly made seventy two or seventy two or something, seventy year, seventy something. Yeah, and then he looks really good in it, really good against the spin, really confident in his footwork. When he went, he went. He didn't really hit too many in between shots and he really manipulated the field well. Yeah, which was good to see. He would have to...

...bat at three because I think roots going about it for so he might not be able to utilize those spin skills straight away anyway. But he is an opening bats and by trade. So yeah, I'm sure he'll be fine against the newer ball, against the faster bowling and yeah, so I'm praying it's denly. But yeah, as you said, we never really know what the England selection it's pretty, pretty hard to predict. And then, apart from that, once again Butler very disappointing in both innings. Didn't drop the cut as well, which was half but got to be taking that. But once again they're not going to drop him, are they heard? They love they love him. Yeah, so, folks Hees are lucky there. Yeah, and then in terms of the next test, we're looking at the sixteen of July, so Thursday night. We're filming this on Tuesday but it's coming out on the Thursday. So if you're listening to it on the day of Upload, it'll be in a couple of hours probably. It's up at Manchester. Not really too sure what that means in terms of the pitch conditions. Also, I think the Southampton Pitch was very good. I think it was fair to both bat and ball. A lot of the times I love seeing green seamers and I love seeing teams get rolled for a hundred, but in terms of bandness of cricket, I do think that's pretty dug and this one was. Yeah, it was pretty fair cricket, wicked really, which is rare to see our days in international cricket. So yeah, that's another thing I wanted to say. And Yeah, I have to say our predictions looking quite off. A. We've already got the series prediction wrong with the whitewashed. We could still get England winning wrong. Keema Roach, I think you only took like two wickets or something. Yeah, we're looking in double there for West in eastop we could take a shy hope. He's already like a hundred and fifty runs back or something. Looking in trouble there, although he looked good when he batted the first innings. Yeah, just doesn't look like he has the fight of the other batsman. And then who do we back in...

...for the England? It was stoke a back stokes, you, I think you did as well. Yeah, so that's looking on the ball and then on the ball ae and then the bowl is. I don't even know who did but well, will do a review. Ever, so I think I did. I think I said Archer. So I mean or none of our bowl is really had a blinder, but I think archer took a few in the second inning. So that was a lot. That's could be a smoky in depending on the depending on what the pictures are in the next two tests. If there's a bit of dry, dusty one, he could do bits in the seconds. He actually bowled really well. He impressed me a lot better than the other English spinning options in my opinion. Definitely. That's pretty heard the INGOM cyddy series. Very much looking forward to that second test. Interested to see what England do with route coming back in and just into interested see how the England top or to go, because there's quite a few players who don't have cemented spots down really, apart from stokes and pope. That hole top law and I guess route, but everyone else is pretty much playing for their spot. So yeah, but be interested to see. The squad should be coming out pretty soon on say it's really two days before they release like a fourteen man squad or thirteen man squad. So we'll find out that. I'll tweet that if anything comes out. So go check us out on twitter. Oh my God, I forgot again. I was going to do like a social media plug at the start of the episode, but yeah, I do it now anyway. If you don't already follow us on Instagram, if you're listening, go watch it on youtube vice versa. Give us a re rating and a review as well on the listening platforms and give us a like on Youtube or comment. And also, another thing, if anyone has any episode suggestions or just questions or anything, feel free to send them to me because, like, I'm actually got one of the all time response rates,...

...which is a good thing, but I'll respond rapidly. Yeah, so that's just that. That done all right. So for the next part of this, I just wanted to have a bit of a chat. To be honest, there's not too many sports that we both watch intently, given the fact that I watched our or you you want to AFL. I try to, but I can't too much because of the NRL and, like, I watched a lot of other rubbish swartz like the ufcfone and stuff like that. But the AFL, I wanted to ask you some questions about it. Obviously you've watched it a lot more than me. Yeah, it seems very unpredictable this year. We're only into rounds seven coming up this weekend. But why do you reckon it's so unpredictable this season? I don't know if it's rough so far, but what are you reckon? Yeah, well, I mean obviously this season is very different with the covid situation. So I mean that's probably the most logical answer, also the shorter quarters. But it's hard to pinpoint because teams each week. You know, some weeks they're coming out playing unreal footage and then the next week they'll just come out and produce a stinker. So I mean could potentially be that some teams thrive with crowds. We know Richmond, Richmond and Collingwood like a crowd. But yeah, it's hard really to know. It's not doing certainly isn't doing wonders for the Sports Bet. But yeah, I don't mind it though. It's more exciting. Yeah, it's a lot more assigning to watch. Yeah, that's something I've kind of had an issue with the AFL over the last few seasons. I think every year there's four or five teams that they're just a complete leveled off. And although this year it's not without the bad teams, like other Adelaids in woeful form and some of the other sides aren't looking too good. But yeah, I just think in the competitions a lot closer to year. I think the gap between maybe like one and ten is that big and even like even...

...the Adelaide are bad. I think the gap from like eighteen to eleven so on that big either. So all over all over that table it's pretty tight. It is a especially in the middle because you've got one and as you croudy's playing him having an infact effect. You think it probably would do the opposite, where the better team would just win out no matter what, because there's no hair ground advantage. But that's interesting today. But yeah, I just think this is maybe a bit cynical of me, but I actually just think the standards a bit worse this year. I don't know how you feel. A bit that a about this and I know you support port, who are up the top of the table, so you're probably a bit offended by this. But I think the table is starting to kind of get back to normality, I think. Yeah, West Coast should they're all starting to win and like St Kilda's and stuff are starting to lose. So we're starting to get back to normality there. Yeah, but I think the team's who we penciled in for finals this season just don't look that good at all really. I know you said the Port Adelaide gws game was pretty low quality. Yeah, you said that missing lots of tirets and stuff like that. Yeah, and I know you were saying Geelong Brisbane was also not ideal. Zara. Now, I was tigs Tyx once. It was like thirty four, hundred, twenty six. It was just it was shocking. No, but you're saying Brisbane were really bad against along or something way. Oh well, yeah, well, because obviously I was our for Brisbane were premiership favorites after last week and then they started really well, but then Gelong just gone on top and Brisbane sort of looked like they went into their shells a little bit and just copped it. So I was a bit surprising. But yeah, obviously just a long looking quite good now. Yeah, that Richmond game, I did hear a lot of people saying it was just rubbish. Yeah, Dem Damian Hardwitt came out and roasted the Swan's for just parking the buss. But...

I mean, I don't think you can. I don't think you can just come out and say that, because Richmond obviously aren't up to standard this season and it was very wet, though, to be fair, I was absolutely pissing down the in time match. But still, yeah, like it's not a bad thing at all, even if it's a bit lower quality and just makes a closer competition. But I definitely think there's something to that. I don't think there's any teams that have gone got to dominate necessarily this year. Yeah, like port they're on top of the table and, if you like, I know their favorites for the minor premiership at the moment, maybe for the premiership overall. I don't know what that market is. But realistically, if you look at their performances, they've beaten for out of form teams. They lost to the Brisbane lines and then you said they want to bad a pretty low quality game on the weekend. So yeah, maybe it's just a low quality match, but once again, maybe it comes down to all the lockdown stuff and maybe give it two or three weeks and will be, you know, swallowing our words, as like Collingwood and all that, bounce back and look as good as ever. Yeah, another another thing to point out is it could be a motivational thing with some teams because you see luck players not even, especially for Richmond, not even going up to the hub. And I reckon, if Richmond hadn't won two premierships out the last three, I think that might have been little bit different. I reckon, the players probably would have gone up there. But saying as though the one two premierships there and obviously the COVID covids making this season seem a little less important to some teams. Potentially it could be something in that as well, which was interes a dog act. But yeah, but now it's good to watch as a new Tral and I'm all the fans of the lower level teams, like...

I know broadbent, who's a friend of the show cult and fan. Yeah, he's very happy with the team being competitive so far this year. Yeah, it's just interesting to see. Will have to watch that over the next few weeks. Yeah, that's pretty much all I've got to say today only a short one, but in the in the coming episodes, we we're going to start doing so that. I think there's sixty days or something to the NFL starts and me Pilch in some of our mates we're big NFL fantasy players as a lot of the world is probably the greatest fantasy sport, I think. Yeah, I felt it's just a really, really good point scoring system, great fun. So I think over the next six weeks I think we're going to do or even more, seven or eight weeks, I think we're going to do an episode a week on an NFL fantasy position. Pretty much. Yep, just have a conversation about that. Pill will be joining me for all those episodes. Will be drowne by Curtis, James Curtis, when we can. So that's going to be the next episode. We're going to be chatting through the top twelve quarterbacks in each of our respective rankings. And then, in terms of what's coming up next, I know I mentioned it on the podcast that went out the other day with Rhett. We've got an episode where we're going to discuss we've been doing quite a lot of decade things. So I feel like it's fitting to cap all that off with WHO's the best athlete of the two thousand and ten decade? And then I've got a few others lined up, such as sporting events you wish you're alive to see. I know I'm doing an a fone review with peanut in a few weeks in an NBA predictions video with him as well, so look forward to that stuff. Yeah, I'm pretty much thanks for listening if you've got to this point. I know it's only a short one, but I'm sure a lot of you don't mind that, because I know pilled, you don't mind those facially because you're a big your big advocate of an hour and fifteen and stuff...

...like that's too long, but it's shown. So yeah, I hope you've enjoyed listening. Thanks for joining me as always, pilch, much appreciated. And Yeah, that's pretty much well. I've got to say. Thanks, WILL CHEESE MATE.

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