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Episode 3 · 2 years ago

The Ashes - Episode 2


Christian Pilcher joins the host, Hamish MacCorquodale, to discuss the history of The Ashes and the greatest players to have ever played in the famous rivalry between Australia and England.

Cheese settle. Welcome back to episode two of the on the ball podcast. Today I'm once again joined by my good friend Christian pil child. You want to say hi, mate. You know right. Good to be back. Yeah, so today's topic, we'll just we'll just cut the Chitchat man. We'll just get straight into it. Today we're going to talk about, as teased and yesterday the first episode of the PODCAST. If you haven't listened to that, go check it out. Look it out. We did tease that will be doing in ashes, our all time ashes Xi, and that is what we are doing here today. You're excited for it. Extremely toy for this one, mate stream. Yeah, we are both big cricket fans, as we said yesterday. It's probably you argue that it's not your favorite sport, but I don't know about that. It's definitely in our frees, I'll say that. Yeah, it's probably probably my second or third. So, Joanna, tell us a bit about the history of the just mate. Well, it all started with the England Vie Australia rivalry and there was a test match in one thousand eight hundred and eighty two where Australia toured England and England will like England with a the fathers of cricket, the fathers of Cricket. They were cocky, they they were the gentleman, the amateurs, and the Australian side beat them on their home turf, which was, I guess, a huge upset and basically you could say that England were embarrassed and they basically it, basically just began the ashes because they they burnt the bail and took it to Australia. Yeah, so pretty, pretty significant moment, although when they were doing it they probably didn't realize they would be creating a tradition that would carry on until two thousand and twenty. And it's quite it's not even an outrageous statement. But it's definitely the biggest tournament in cricket. The the Cricket World Cup probably challenges it, but yeah, I'd say the ashes is more important to most people, most fans of cricket. Obviously people living outside of Australian Australia and England will have a different few to us, but yeah, I'd say it's the most important trophy. So now we've given a bit of background, should we move on to our our exercise? We should we should all right, who do you have opening up? Mate? For me, there were, there are a few contenders for this. I'll start by saying that Jack Hobbs, I believe, is the greatest opening batsman in the history of the game. So for me he was a walk up to open the Banning Course on Jack Hobbs. On Jacobs, well, I don't I'll be honest. He probably wasn't my number one in my team, but he did make my team, so can't really disagree with you there. For me he he spenned generations. He started his career in one thousand nine hundred and eight finished in nineteen thirty. So before the war, when you look at his record compared to other batsman, he's average was more than ten higher than anyone else for the war. Came back after the war and he was or he was. He was into it, well into his s and he'd had an injury in the war as well to his arm. So he was a less accomplished batsman after the war, but he still managed to average mid s still one of the best batsmen in the world. So to me he was an easy choice. Yeah, what really upon investigating a little bit deeper into Jacobs. What really impressed me was not only was he great at home, averaging forty seven, he was actually better away. So it was better in Australia. So he scored eight tons, averaging fifty seven to two thousand, three hundred and forty runs. so that's really impressive. That's very impressive. Yeah, definitely a consistent, consistent batsman. Yeah, and, as you were saying, he's really his career is pretty bizarre. Like I'm looking he's best seasons when nineteen twelve, nineteen twenty six and thousand nineteen o eight.

So like there's there's almost a twenty year range there. So the Shao Jacobs himself said that he thought he was a much better batsman before the war and he said that after the war the pictures were a lot flatter and the bowl is a lot worse. So that may indicate something. But yeah, yeah, anyway, so he's what what's that? Clubs even famous Forul like I would say he's more famous nowadays to our generation for being the opening batsman in the world eleven on stick cricket. So I think I think most of you would know the name, especially people our age. But yeah, so I did you see hit a few sixes with him on the on the old desktop computers. Yeah, wait, is he art it? Is He Nice? He's nighted. Yeah, we probably should respect that collinstead of jackals. But so, sir, Jack Hobbs is at the top of both of our sides. Correct. Correct, and he also is the leading first class run scorer of all time. Yeah, and that will never be broken. Yeah, yeah, my first class create they played back in the day. Well, what did he school like? It's gotten sixtyzero. Yeah, saying it's like not even fathomable. Yeah, so here, if you got opening up with Jack hobs man. Well, is Hobbes in your side? Yeah, okay, we both got hobbs. So for me I looked at Arthur Morris and the fact he was a lefthander was tempting for the left right combination. But to me having the left right combination isn't isn't like an essentially and essential thing to have. Yeah, I agree. I narrowed it down to Hobbs's partner in crime through the late s herbert suckliffe and Sir Len Hutton. Yeah, and you go on with well, in my eyes Hutton was a better batsman in there in his career. But suck with average against Australia was outrageous, sixty seven and and he was. He saved his best cricket for when he played Australia in the ashes. So he's just pipped home. And for me, yeah, I agree, I'm the same. They're made. I've got. Was this one of the dilemmas you were talking about before we came on? It was. It was suckly Free Hutton. Yeah, now, the fact that suck with and hobs batted together for a big portion of their career helped him, helped me selecting you, marrow. Yeah, true. For me this one actually wasn't too difficult because when I know you were saying that Hutton was a better bouts when when you take into account their whole careers. But if you just look in at Sutcliffe's performance against Australia, he averaged seventy one at home and sixty five away in the ashes and real, whereas Hutton only average. Like saying only in this context is a bit rich, but he only average fifty away, so it was a lot more dominant at home. Yep, I agree. So that was one of the factors for me picking Sutcliffe over Hutton. I also do think that Arthur Morris, I do think he was probably for me it was almost above Hutton in my eyes. But, like, as you were saying, they're all pretty tight these guys. Yeah, Morris, Morris does have a great a great record. Yeah, and Marris average twelve more in England than he did in Australia. So really that's yeah, that's pretty respectable. Now they he had a in the Bradman's last series. You the outscored Bradman in he scored like seven hundred runs with a huge average. I remember that. Yeah, this is if need great ashes, batsman. Yeah, this is a pretty like random question, but do you I can like, do you know why, because we've done a bit of like history cricket research of late. Do you have a read, like, do you have a theory why? I feel like early on England didn't actually even pick their best players to be their captains. Like like Hobbs and Sutcliffe both didn't captain. Like do you know why that is? Or yeah, it's yeah, well, it was always just it was always an amateur until the early s for starters, and it was basically just popularity contests. Whoever everyone liked the most, whoever was the richest, and they didn't even pick their best teams. Some of the time as well, they picked players just because they were gentleman, and so it was pretty pretty corrupt system, I'd say. I guess it is kind of a trend to this day. Like, yeah, for example, I can Nasser and even like Vorny. They weren't, yeah, really the best in their teams. Where...

...they to be honest, as long as you've got your best leader, doesn't really yeah, that's true. Good player. Yeah, Australia's just been lucky, I think. where. Yeah, usually the best leader is the best player. But yeah, so, Johnna, move on to your first drop, mate, first drop. Well, it will be. I think we'll share the same view on this one as well. I don't think so. You don't think so? Okay, well, I've got I've got Bradman. Yep, who have you got? Me? I've got Wally Hammond Button. It's because I have bradman batting it for interesting. May Interesting. Well, I suppose we should talk about Bradman now then. Yeah, yeah, I'm happen to talk about brother always an. Well, he's there. He's also the captain of my team, my yeah, he's eleven and bit of a no brainer. He's got the most runs, the highest average by an absolute mile. Five thousand runs, average of just under ninety in the ashes, ashes tests and he's a walk up into anyone's ashes team, any team to be honest. Yeah, you very much. That not much that has to be said really. He's he's numbers speak themselves. Yeah, exactly. He's the goat of potentially the goat of goats, the goat of goats. Yeah, there's not really much more to talk about with Bradman. The reason I picked him at for was because he actually had twenty two any was in the ashes batting it for so he made the my team at three and four. So what I decided to do? I did a bit of opportunity costs for those economic students playing at home and I thought like who was the better second option at three or four, and I decided that wally haven't at three was better than Steve Wartt for systematic approach from you don't mind, yeah, but yeah, so I'll just quickly go because we're on talking about the great man I'm just talked about. Go on. Why I chose them it for pretty much as we said, not much to be explained really. He averaged eighty four batting. It for batting in the Middle Order, not just a for me from four hundred and twenty seven. Yeah, he's home record was better, but away record was still pretty stupid. That was and seventy three, an average of seventy three. So I don't think too much more has to be said on the Don Really. I think everyone, all the listeners and even us before we started this podcast, we all knew that the don was going to be there on uncovered pictures as well in England. Yeah, tough, tough to batting. Yeah, I don't think maybe like Babe Ruth and baseball, but I don't think there's really a legend of any sport that like he played in like the S and s. But he's still such a iconic figure and like I I would guess like fifty percent of Australians would be able to tell you who the DON is. Yeah, he's. Yeah, so it's pretty crazy how much an iconon he is and just a hero of Australian cricket. So I'm trying to quickly talk about Wally Hammond, who is my number three. I know you were talking about how you couldn't squeeze him into a team and you're a bit disappointed by that, as you are big fan of his work. All R am, I do like the big man. Yeah, so, yeah, big dog. He actually also bold, pretty handy, right arm, medium fast. Yep, he did. He I think. I don't know what decade it was. A might have been the S, but he I made a team of the decade for each decade a few weeks ago and he was my all rounder and one decade. But I've got him batting at three here. Quite interesting to note he's away record. He averages a hundred and fourteen batting it three, but at home he only averages twenty eight. So that that's very weird to me. Yeah, like it's normal to be better at home than away it, let let alone be better at away from home by maybe ninety runs. That's pretty odd. But I looked fast it just because overall and if you combine the stats together, they just speak for themselves. There in saying average of seventy one a thousand six hundred ninety five runs. And for me, in comparison to Ricky ponting, they were out of them. Ricky ponting stats, who just missed out, at number three. Yeah, so, yeah, that's why I've got wally Hammond a number three. I can't really argue with that. I wanted to get him into my middle order, but for me my number four was Steve Smith. Yeah, well, I've got him at fives. Always tough picking a player who isn't finished his career because for all we know, his...

...eyesight could get worse or anything could happen in his record could just drop. But what he's done in the last two ashes series just outrageous stuff. Average over a hundred and both of them, I'd say, carried. I'd say only reason Australia retained the ashes in England last year. Yeah, hundred percent. That's not even a question. He's done that on his own back and captain. That's again in the in their home home tour in two thousand and seventeen as well, right bill? Yeah, yeah, it's bright. We both are just touching back on Brad and we both pick Braban to be our captain. Yeah, but I was actually tempted to give Smithy the Captaincy, although it's pretty rogue and like he may not have seen the end of his captaincy days for with the Baggy Green. Quite a controversial topic there. But yeah, he only did captain one ashes series, as you said. So although he's Captain Morris Test for Australian and Don Bradman, Don Braman captain more against England. So yeah, that's why we did give the Captaincy to the Don. So did you? Did you have Smith it five or did he not make it? Yeah, I'd spit it five because obviously I had the done it for. So yeah, pretty much all the reasons you said. Is Consistent home and away, which is impressive, especially in the modern era when the pitchers vary so much. Yeah, the time you see like Warner and stuff just averaging bol already away from home. What was the record he broke? Do you know? In in the ashes? It was like the most consecutive ashes test with a century or something. Smith, yeah, I don't know, but that wouldn't hit broat. He broke some record like that where it was like the most consecutive ashes matches where they'd scored at least a century, something like that. So he's beaten the dom there. Yeah, that's pretty it's pretty sizeable achievement. All right. So if you've got Smith at for WHO? If you got it five me? So Smith at five for you? For me five is another tough one because they've been plenty of miw Lord of Batsman. So I looked at I looked at old mate Ken Barrington from the s ridiculous numbers, hm. But we don't really want someone coming out and scoring fifty in three days at number five. So I also wanted a lefthander in the burning order. So I've gone for Allan border at five. Yeah, over three zero ashes runs over fifty five in terms of his average. And the thing with boarder for a lot of his career the Australian team he was he was in wasn't the greatest compared to other errors. So he more than carried their batting lineup and that's why he's in the head of blacks like Steve War and others, because he carried his team, whereas war had a great team around him. And the left hand fact, yes, Steve Will Steve was a tough one because he's records ridiculous and like he average seventy five in England. But, as we were talking about before we came on, he just has so many not outs, which is such an average booster. Like he in the ashes. He almost averaged a not out every three innings, Steve War. So yeah, well, they I mean they're probably there were probably three, four hundred and they've just declared. Yeah, so, yeah, so, like it's probably a bit stiff on Steve Wa to rule him out because of that. But yeah, it's definitely a fair reason to, you know, overlook some of his stats a bit. But then but yeah, I'm big fan a border in the side, I think. I'll be honest. They I would have been tempted to give board of the Captaincy if he was in my side, because I know they weren't that successful under his captaincy. But he is like a famous, hard enough captain, Great Captain Owen border, and he's my vice captain. Bradman's record as captain's just stupid, so I couldn't really look past him. Any other any other options you were tossing up for the Middle Order? The middle orders, well, Steve War and board. I will probably the next two. Yeah for me, but we've touched on them. And then, as you said, Barrington and then really the only other pot. He was probably a bit bit away from actually making the side, but mark war was also yeah, and name they popped up for me. So yeah, that's the middle order done. Now just quickly on the structure of this side. I don't know about the way you've picked it, but I like to pick it all...

...round her at number six because, as we've seen in test cricket, most successful sides will have it all rounder who can add a bit with the bat and a bit with the ball. So, rather than just picking a Batsman at six, I've gone with a batting all rounder. Have you done the same act with an all around her as well? Do you wanna do me reorder to talk about your decision? Give me with yours first. I've gone. I'll be honest. He's an absolute myth. I would be shocked if anyone listening knew who this bloke was. He goes by the alias of Warwick Armstrong. Who knows if that's his real name, just jacking that it. Worrik Armstrong play for Australia in the goal before what? Before World War One and a little bit after World War One, so his career, right in the middle of his prime, wasn't interrupted by World War One, which is and I believe shame or Lee's I think. I believe we're expanding. Average was very high for the war. Believe was in the S. that's yeah, I do see that. Yeah, like in one thousand nine hundred and eight he average fifty one and I don't know. Yeah, he was pretty inconsistent of from nineteen eleven forty five. So yeah, he was good before it, but like one thousand nine hundred and twenty he average seventy. So really I think he might have been pretty handy all the way through his career. Yeah, I'll be honest, I didn't really rate my options here. I've gone to the ESPN CREAKING FIRST STATS GURU and I've chucked in a minimum amount of runs and the minimum amount of wickets and I've been handed Monty Noble, Wilfred Rhodes and Warwick Armstrong and all of the average low thirt s with the bat and they were probably more bolder all bound before the war as well, interestingly. Yeah, that is interesting. But yeah, I went Warwick Armstrong because they are batting at six. So the other two were probably more bowling all around, as with averages, but less than twenty five for the ball. But I want someone who could bat a bit, even though they're coming in after Bradman and Smith so they probably won't even be required half the time. I would like someone who knows how to hold back. So warrick Armstrong. He average thirty five with the stick and thirty with the ball. He scored two thousand a hundred, seventy two runs and seventy four wickets, so I'm pretty happy with both those things. Probably the biggest asterisk next to his name is his the difference in his batting performance home and away, which is like something that we really kill people like David Warner for. But I've looked past it. He does average twenty more in Australia than in England. But you know, Oh, I'll cut him some slack. The man probably went to war, he's probably seen some things, definitely, I think. Yeah, so. And also, I was not I know I can lower my requirements and stuff, but I was given a pretty rotten bunch of three. I know they're all legends of cricket, so it's a bit harsh just be a lipping them off like that when I'm just sitting here in my bedroom making a podcast. But yes, I've gone with Warwick Armstrong. Fun fact, he actually bowled pace and spin. So bit of extra variety. I don't mind that. But who have you gone another six mate or it does help with Mr Warwick. Yeah, bit of a Garfield sobers type with that one for me. I looked at I looked at three people. So there's Ian Botham and Keith Miller, who would be the first two people would think of. But although both of them had that magical series in eighty one, starts really aren't that good. A lot of the times he'd go in make ducks, you bowl like Shit and then other times you just play off his head. So quite quite an inconsistent performer. And then Keith Miller. Good with the ball, but he's batting was probably not quite up to standard. So I've actually gone for Wilfred Roads, one of your three Um from the older one of my threes major side, and he's actually the oldest man in history to play test cricket at I thought you were just going to stop after history there. I thought you're just going to say he's actually the oldest man in history as the confused. Well, it did mat he did live all the way up to now. I'll was you, gina he was fifty two. Do you know how I'll be here. Was Fifty two. He too in his life. That's like my mom just suiting up the in the Cricket World Cup final for the winning he debuted. That's he debuted in one thousand eight hundred and ninety eight and he's last test was with Jack Hobbs's last test in nine thirty thirty two years of test cricket. Do I can? He... did work for the coach and the selectors or something, and so they just kept him in the side. or I reckon there was some dodgy business going on when he was getting up. had them by the nuts until he was just holding their nuts. I think he was doing more than more than holding their nuts. But anyway, we come on. When he came on to the scene in around one thus nineteen hundred bit before and he was a genuine tail end batsman. He would have averaged about eight with the stick. But in his early s he he became known as one of the best leg spinners in the world. So he was a leg spinner. But then ten years later, just before the war, he transformed himself into an opening batsman and he and Jack Hobbs put on in Australia first wicket partnership of three hundred and twenty three. So He's gone from best leg spinner in the world to one of the best opening bats in the world and then he went off to war, came back probably lost. He was after the war. He was already in his S, early s. So I think you'd probably decided gone or something and he went back to being a bowler. Bold pretty well. But yeah, it's an interesting one because there were weren't many points in his career where he was an all round. He was either a bowler or a batsman. But I'm taking the best of both worlds and assuming he's in peak bowling peak batting condition, and if that's the case, and I think he's the best all rounder the ashes has seen. Yeah, I'll be honest, when I was choosing my three, I do think this guy's the best all around, but the only thing that led me to work Armstrong was the fact that for me at six, I want a bit of a better Batsman, even if that means I have to sacrifice a bit of the ball. Yeah, yeah, right, that's why I've gone him. But I do appreciate the roads. If you really just compare him player versus player, against Armstrong, he's probably was the better cricketer to two different players, I would say yeah, but it's a tough one. It's a tough one because there's both them and Miller as well, who are absolute legends. I think. I think everyone would have one of those two in their teams. But if you did, if you that's yeah, if you are. If you just like ask our parents or even people our age, if you ask them for then all rounder and ashes Xie be that would say both them. Yeah, I think my dad thinks both the best cricketer of all time, let alone the best ashes all rounder. Yeah, like a DRS Kumar and that one. But Fair enough, John Kilchat that one upstairs at the time. Yeah, I think Kevin Anderson Nice to sort himself out. So moving on to a number seven. This is the keeper. Am I am. I right with you. You've got you keeper at seven, unless you've got Godfrey Evans behind the stumps, then yet keep her keeper at seven, and I'll sure believe you've gone with Adam Gilchrist. Yeah, I have reluctantly chosen gilchrist. Reluctantly. Yeah, I don't know. I just I'll look at these ashes stats and I was like them bit underwhelming, if I'm honest. Yeah, that was not really that was not really much else to choose from. I mean he averaged forty five, but two thousand and five views. Not The best with the bat and they lost that series and he dropped a few catches as well. But for me, having Gillie coming in at seven, you couldn't really ask for much more there. But I've actually likely gone for who I think is the best wicket keeper, and that's for me, is Allen. Not Handy, handy batsman as well, average mid S, but a lot of critics have said that he's the best keeper that there's ever been and he played a lot more ashes matches than Gil Christ as well. So I have gone with Allen. Not there. Yeah, I just can't cop it. I'm sorry, man, like I know there is not. You can't define good keeping with stats, but he's just go purely off the dismissals pet innings. He is almost a whole dismissal and innings off Gilchris. He's and I'm just I'm going off what the critics say, what the critics have said about him, and then maybe a little, maybe a little bit of English bias in there as well, kicking him over Gil Christ. But at the end of the day, that's what that's what I've gone for. Yeah, I'll be honest. He didn't even make my short list. So I had Gil Christ. Hadn't any in Healey. But yeah, Brad Haddn't. I was...

...very impressed with his ashes stats. They were what was he probably good? Yeah, yeah, like his home average in the ashes is fifty four, like that's pretty, pretty nuts. I didn't actually know he had it was that good. I used but TV remotes watching him and him Batman to a job lenders and just putting on sixty with each tail ender getting them from yeah, one hundred and fifty, two, four hundred. So absolutely hate it as an Englishman. But yeah, he was. He was a good bat. He was a good bat. But yeah, I've Gone Gilchrist, probably a better keeper. Hadn't as well. But yeah, you can't really turn down Gilcrest. He is a custom built number seven. Yeah, pretty much he's badding Ross anything more. Accepts ratting records head and shoulders. And haddn't was another star away, wasn't he? Yeah, yeah, on the average like low s and the fact that Gilchrist he's not only averaging higher than Haddn't, but I bet you he would do it in twice as fast and and entertaining as well. Yeah, or one of them are let says of all time. Do you want to say anything else about our not or you just saying that critics said he was a good keeper? I'm just I'm happy with saying that. I believe he's the best keeper that's ever leaved, or at least one of them, and I'll probably should be going with Gil Chris because of what he brings with the bat. But not was a good batsman as well. So he scored a few centuries in the ashes, averaging meet thirty. So yeah, I'm happy with it. Happy with right. Let's let's go for the bowls now. It's a tough one. Bowlers was. Yeah, I found bowlers easily the most difficult part of the side to select, and you've gone real controversial ones are seen to remember. I don't think they're too controversial. There's a few that probably aren't household names, but I think the stats a backup why I've chosen them. Okay, so at eight, well, should we say do you have one spin or two spinners? Well, including roads, two spinners, but in the bowling in the four bowlers, one spinner. I think we all know who that one spinner is. I've got in as well. So should we just sk warm the greatest bowler that has ever lived? Yeah, head and shoulders above the rest. Cop that really greatest spinner or greatest bowler? Bowler? Whoo, big one for me, but I like it. Well, WHO's challenging Skillful Bowler? Who is challenging for the Best Bowl of all time? I would say another man in my team actually, but I don't know, maybe a couple of the west Indian quicks. Malcolm Marshall Richard had the ever, they they can't compete with the genuine volume and the length of warn his Korea. Yeah, that is true. But yeah, like I know a spinner is built to take more wickets than a pace ball because of like day five crumbling pictures and stuff, but I don't know if you can argue with the record. Yeah, and another thing about warnies. He he really raised his level against the palms away and at home in two thousand and five. He took like forty wickets and was their best player in England and yeah, great, Great Bowler. Yeah, so it's common to see is spinners at the top of the wickets list, but then you look at their strike right and bowling average and the streets behind the pace bowlers. Yeah, of a similar wicket level. But this is not the case. For warning, in the ashes he averaged twenty three point two. That's REDEP the ball and he's leading, which is as well, isn't he? Yeah, by he's got McGrath covered by I think twenty five wickets or something. So pretty crazy to have that amount of volume but also do it at an economical rate. And he only average like he average fifty five balls per wicket, which is pretty good for a spinner. Spinners can often creep up until like the s with strike right. Yeah, that's very good strike right. And not only are his overall stats impressive, he was also actually more dominant in England then Australia, which is any anyone who's more dominant away from home? MAYBE POST S? I think it's a pretty outstanding achievement. Yeah, unreal, unreal bowl unreal record, very consistent as well. So I'd probably say he is the second certainty in the side behind Brabin like I'd be surprised if Warren wasn't in every single person's ashes.

Xi. Yeah, all right. First Two names on my team sheet were Bradman and skate warn. Yeah, so I'll go for a who we've both got? I'm assuming you've got Glenmor grast. I do, I do. I've got so, I've got warning. It eight, Glenmor Gard Eleven. So let's just talk about a bit, a bit about Glen the graph. Yeah, so you are a big Glenma graph fan. Well, I respect him highly as a as a great bowler, but wasn't the biggest fan when he was playing because of his personality and being an England Fan. He tall through us. But if you look at his stats, if you watch him bolt, he's one of the most skillful bowlers to have ever played the game. Mars, he's average was twenty nine in the ashes and a hundred hundred and fifty seven wickets. Can't really you can't really ask for much more. What's what do you mean about his personality? Man, I just bit of a like to lipping off batsman. Liked getting in a few sledge battles, but I get all part of the game. All Ky of the game. That's that's bizarre because I'll be honest, I given the fact that I was born in two thousand, I didn't really see MC graw too much. I maybe saw one or two years at the back of any end of his career. But in terms of commentary and the bloke himself, he seems like such a docile person, like he seems so boring and everyone rip usually rips Glenmagras as a commentator for just being dull used also. But on that is quite surprising that he used to lip people off. And it's not like he was Brett Lee or Sean Tape Bowling one hundred and fifty. Like he wasn't slow, but he wasn't slow. But yeah, he did. He did like to let people off and interestings. But I mean he was arguably the best bowl best pace bowler in the world throughout his whole career. Yes, probably early two S he probably had a few tickets on himself, which is probably fair enough if I'm honest as well. Yeah, so he averaged nineteen in England, strike rate of thirty nine point eight, which is just stupid rage. But that's pretty much what's that? How many overs and forty bull that's outrageous. From our Glenmor gras that's like six and a half overs. So you're basically averaging a wicked a spell, pretty much a rage. All right. So they're the two. I think they're the only two people we'd both have in the bowling section. So warning and McGrath. I've got Worner, eight, mcgrad eleven. Do you have the same? Yeah, I think there maybe another commonality, mate, about that and I don't actually know about that word either. So, but who have you got it? Nine, I've got huge rumble, huge trumble, not a house, but in your side, not a household in that that not in myself. Yeah, he is from the ancient times. People have attacked me in the past, and by people I mean you, for just hating on people from pre nineteen fifty, but I've, I think I've done them justice in this sort, in this team, I've got like half of half my team is before World War Two. So can't be claiming that. Mate. A bit about his statsue rumble average of twenty eight eight, strike rate of fifty five point nine, a hundred and forty one wickets in thirty one ashes matches. He played from eighteen nine two thousand nineteen o four. He was an offbreak bowler and yeah, that's pretty much it. He was consistent from home in a way. There was basically no difference in his stats. He was actually better in England, which is more impressive. Yeah, so, yeah, it's not really too much to say. You could, you could argue that he's only got insane bowling stats because they played on uncovered pitchers, which is a fair argument and, quite frankly, I would cop that. I'd COP that one on the cheer. It's definitely hard. It's a bat before the World War One. Yeah, so that, that probably is definitely a contributing factor to he's ridiculously low bowling average and strike rate, considering he's an offbreak bowler. But yeah, I couldn't really ignore it. He was. He was Australia's out and out frontline spin bowler throughout his career, though, and in yeah, there are six foot four yet an off spinner. You're kidding? so He's a genuine olden day Soliman Bend. He's big, been big, been reincarnated. I'm not. I'm actually surprised more spinners aren't tall, though, because, like I could imagine. I haven't can't say I've played too many myself,...

...but I can imagine facing offspin from that high, especially on Australian pitchers that are hot, rock hard, are going to be harder. Yeah, I think the thing is probably more difficult to get flight as a tall man, but yeah, that's true. It's hard to get it like up above the eyeline. Yeah, other than that, bod yeah. So I've gone the to spin a huge back the two pronged attack trumble. Yeah, so who if you got a number nine, may well. For me this was my first pace bowler that was a certainty into my team and it was the Great Dennis Dk Lily number nine. So you didn't have lily, not lially. I made a little second eleven of the people who just missed out lily early. What was the frontline pace bowler in the second elevel? Path Roller in Cork. Second Eleven, fair enough, but for me, definitely the best quick bowler in world create in the S, average twenty two with the ball in ashes tests, hundred and thirty wickets. For me it's close between him. A graph for Australia's best pace bowler. I tend to think it's Dennis Lily because he was head and shoulders above the rest of the world until the West Indians came into it. But then again I'll still think it was better than those, the Michael Holdings, the Andy Roberts of the world. But great ashes record, good home underway as well. His partner in crime, Terry Alderman, had a better average, but for some reason he was Boris at home and just outrageously good away from home and played a lot less tests as well. So yeah, Dennis Lillly. So you didn't go lily now. I left him out. I know it's stiff, but he can call for me. The factor was he averages twenty six and a half with the ball at a strike rate of sixty four at home, and he's got so, yes, it's not bad, but so grown and comparing when we're dealing with people with bowling averages of like sixteen, I just found it hard to get him in the side. So have you gone with I think I know he's got me, so I've gone with that. I'll be honest. I don't even know this block's first name. Is it Charlie Turner? It is Charles, Charlie the terror Turner. Yeah, Charlie the terror turn off. Some say he built a hundred and eighty kilometers an. Now no one has ever said that before, but he's nickname is the terror. So I'm assuming it's something that fastest me. But on ESPN CRIOK in fur he bowls right medium fast, so that's nice. Yeah, so slower the mcgras. According to ESPN, creaking first. So I actually would like to challenge that nickname of the terror. So maybe he was just a drunk alcoholic and used to bash people, maybe, and that's why it was called the terror. Yeah, maybe he just pitched them at square leg and they just hooped in, just took your off peg out. So a little bit about Charlie Turner. He averaged fourteen with the nut at home, nineteen with the nut in England. He had a career strike rate a fifty one point two, a career average of sixteen, point five three. He got took a hundred and one wickets, which was one wicket above my minimum threshold. So he just scraped into with that. But yeah, I just once again, as we were saying for Trumbull, because the uncovered pitches and the was scores in test cricket some of these old day bowls do have ridiculous stats, but this guy just don't think you can argue with these stats. Yeah, turn his stats were ridiculous, better than the others that played with him. So that, yeah, Turner and Peel really stood out with like ridiculously low averages. I think peel had a home average of like nine or something. Stupid, probably feel. But Yeah, I'm pretty sure DEK lily wouldn't be copying me. Picking turn over him and probably fair enough, if I'm honest. Fair enough, fair enough, it would probably be fair enough. Think the Dennis is not quite charlie turned his head off in a fish spot, but it's Charlie the terror tournament. That is true. I'll see. I really want to know why they called him the terror. Maybe we don't want to know. Maybe it's something actually that I faced up to her for. I came out to bat and faced up to a bowl and named the terror, I probably...

...wouldn't even face up. I probably yeah, but then you see bells, right meat, right arm, medium fast on creaking foe. So then I'll be facing up with my left foot at that's where Legg ready just send him over CAL corner. That and you'll be on a synthetic pitch as well. So who's balls won't be doing shit when they hit the pitch? Probably UN in the six. Yeah, so you don't have Charlie Turner? I'm assuming I don't. I've got one man left in the team. Yeah, that's your team done, isn't it? Yeah, I'm all done. Hamish's exile has been completed. Well, here's another, another one of my opinions, but I've gone for the Great SF barns. Sydney Barns Common Account the greatest bowler whoever lived up for up for debate as more bowlers coming to world cricket. But he averaged twenty one with the ball, a hundred and six. That's in the ashes. Hundred and six ashes wickets as well. And apparently you just used to swing the ball, cut the ball both ways and was just unplayable. And another fiery character, always wanted to get his way. The stories of him not being given the new ball because he because he was a professional and he just bold like shit on purpose. And then he they gave him the new ball in the second in him and he took like seven hundred and fifty. But Yep, personal favorite of mine. So he's he's made my team. They're enough. Like, I don't want to, I don't want to bloody put you to the sword made, but when you compare SF barns stats to setd turns, I struggle to see how you can pick SF barns. But I knowing you, you are taking it to account, like articles you've read about them and stuff like that. So, yeah, I'm not going to I'm not going to criticize your selection. He would, he would definitely have been in if it was an all time team. But he was very good against South Africa, which obviously doesn't count in this project. Yeah, well, he's average. There was a his his career average was sixteen, but in the ashes it was twenty one and a half. So yeah, as you said, he must have been dominant against South Africa. Yeah, and he was often because he was a professional and the other players didn't really like him. He was often left out by the selectors. So he should have had should have had more matches and more wickets. But yeah, all right. Well, that's how Leven's done. Do you have anything else to add me about about your side? Well, I'd one thing. I reckon. If our sides played each other, my side would do dirty things to your team. Dirty things thoughts. Well, that's such an easy thing to say, man, because obviously you think that if you've picked the team, you freaking anything the same. I actually don't really know because I've never seen half my blocks play because they're like prehistoric dinosaurs in the twelve century. There's not even any footage of the terrorist earner or SF bar. So we're pretty we are guessing with some of them. They could be absolute trot they could be bowling triple bounces. It, yes, work at best. Yeah. So, yeah, but aside from the cricket, Mate, how are you copying isolation? How are you dealing with it? I think it's disgraceful. Fu I can't e like yeah, he's struggling with it, or go to the nets. Yesterday actually, though, had a had a net session with my brothers. That went or about well. I really thought about it. All right, yeah, that's an actually do. Yeah, well, I do like to think of myself is one of the best batsman in Australia. And Anyway, what about yourself, mate? Yeah, I'm fine. I'll be honest. I'm actually pretty comfortable at home, like I'm lucky enough to live in a nice house and a nice area, so I'm not really struggling too much. My great family seems to be crumbling around me, though. Mum's gone into a bit of a bit of a bit of a she's. I think she's here to I think she's hit a wall the last couple days. I think she's starting to struggle with it. I can only imagine what the Cole's been up to. Yeah, but then everyone else's just dealing with it. There's not much we can do, really, is there? How much we can do apart from just pick all time mashes, teams, all time Elevens, and that's what that's what we love doing.

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