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NRL Round 4 Review | Rugby League - Episode 118

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Hamish finally delivers on his promise and is joined with a guest, Fraser, to review the Round 4 action in the NRL. The big topics in Rugby League are addressed such as league inequality, the feasibility of a draft, the 18th man rule and the best Fullbacks in the NRL right now. 

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Hello and welcome back to the on thebold podcast. This is episode a hundred and eighteen of the show and we are joined by a guest this week. I promise one for a few weeks. Couldn't deliver, but I've got phrase on the Oracle of Rugby League. Are you happy to be here? May it's happy to be with you. How much. Thanks. Man. Thank any sport, any time. preciate it. Appreciate your presence. Really Lock let us down once again. But that's right, lovelock, Love Block without a Nice Easter weekend. It is now Easter Monday. So unfortunately that means the mighty West Tigers will be playing tonight or this afternoon. How you feeling for I think I'll lose, but I think a bit close to fight. Yeah, as long as that competitive, unlike some of the Games this weekend. But we'll get to that in a second. So, although there is still one game left of the round, I want to get this, you know, up early. Can't be doing it Wednesday because and the next round starts Thursday. So we will just have to forget about the paramount of eels in the Tigers for this week. But we will be reviewing round four of the NL. There's obviously a lot of talking points coming out of this week, sadly a lot of them negative, as it does seem to be the case for RL. So we'll probably have to address those first. And I actually want to get something off my chest. This inequality talk about the NL is it's been triggering me all week. It would usually the like I get triggered by, like a referees call, ors like a coach's decision or something like that, but stuff like this broader picture of off the field stuff usually doesn't royle me up too much. I'm just like they're just doing it for some Click Bay. They're just ill and formed. But this one's actually annoying me because to me it's just completely inaccurate. The chats of like whether we should have a draft, whether that there's just this big six like a premier league or something like that. It's just wrong, like it doesn't take much off it to realize it's wrong. What do you think about all this chat that's being going on this weekend? I look, I think it's what you're saying is is there is inequality. There's a huge gap between the top teams and the bottom teams, but it's no different to any other year really. Actually, it's just with the game as fast as it is, gaps bigger. That's all because the other teams can't slow the game down. But they're still you know, even if you went back to the old rules, the top six are still be winning. You know, that's what people forget. If you go back to three years ago under the old rules, are still the same team. So the rules are not making the change is just in all professional sports, teams just go through cycles and unfortunately these teams are at the bottom of their cycles. And then the other thing I've been caught out with is the change the rules has changed the way you play the game and they haven't been up to adapt. So then they've got to make those changes through their roster, which will take three years. Yeah, but it is what it is. Yeah, and I've just ripped whipped up some research here just quickly. We basically have been talking about this all week, but I've just got some definitive data on it. So the Rabbit Oh so will address some of the teams who are in this supposed top five, top six that are permanently better than everyone else. The rabbits didn't make finals in two thousand and sixteen or seventeen. The roosters didn't make finals in two thousand and sixteen, the raiders didn't make finals in two thousand and eighteen, panthers didn't make finals in two thousand and nineteen. So that's four of the supposed big five. Melbourne's the our liar, but that's because they have the best coach of all time and they've basically had three of the best ten players of all time in their team for a decade. So that's pretty handy. And they've got some pretty good off field administration, one of the best executives in the competition. So, like I think that speaks to itself. And then if we look at the teams down the bottom, so the main three culprits at the moment and the main three who have been on the ends of some big losses, the Broncos. I don't think you're an issue. I think they'll be good in a couple of years. I've got some good young players, so I don't think you can harp on them too much. But looking at the cowboys, manly and the bulldogs, the cowboys currently have val homes on a...

...mill to two thousand and twenty five, which I think is probably one of the worst contracts in Nur old history. Michael Morgan on a million till two thousand and twenty three and Jason Tami Lola on a million to two thousand and twenty five. So to think those three players getting paid three million dollars and what they're putting out on the field, I think that it just explains why the cowboys are losing by forty points every week. So I don't think we can say it's in an equal they needs to be a draft to help them out. They just need to stop making stupid signings really, and there's talks of them signing reynolds for like eight hundred nine hundred K, which, look, I don't know about that because he is approaching the end of his career as well. There's they've made stupid signings like masters and stuff. So I think they've just got to sort their signings out because they've dug themselves into a hole. And I think we're talking about this at breakfast this morning, but I think Jat and Maddie Bowen were hiding some of those mistakes over the last decade or so just through the talent they had. But yeah, it's shown that their list of management is actually quite poor ever since Janette retired. But yeah, and also looking at the cowboys, they are in finals like two or three seasons ago, so they're not being perennial losers manly of arguably being the best, one of the best teams since two thousand. So you can't argue they're being down the bottom. Looking at some of their cat management, DC's on one point three million right now. He's probably playing at a level of a six hundred K player. I would say most of Sallis on five hundred and fifty K. that's awful. allowies on six hundred K, who at the time that's probably what he was worth, but he's not played well so far. And the TURBOS are on just over two million combined, and I don't think you could justify that they should be worth one point two million combined at the moment because Tom can't get on the field and Jake's just not delivering what we need from and then the dogs. Well, there's Hazzle, basically just destroyed their salary cap and they're only starting to get over that. But however, in the early two ten they are one of the best teams, but they've also made some pretty bad signings. I think Cotrick was overpaid, doing apple was overpaid. However, they do have matt burn coming back, coming to the club next year and out of car so I think the bulldogs will only get better at the season goes on as some of those combinations grow. So I think I've dispelled some of the chat there that there's this perennial top six, these permanent teams down the bottom to be quite false, because it's been frustrating me all weekend really, because it doesn't take much thinking to realize that it isn't true. The one outlier is Melbourne, but, as I explained before, that's just a red case. So do you think a draft, despite me thinking it's rubbish that there's a permanent top six or something, do you think a draft could help or do you think that just wouldn't work in NRL and it's really only for a fel? Well, I think I'm problem is the draft. It's it still wouldn't see if five years yeah, because I mean if you say you did it well, you wouldn't do it next year, but it would be two to three years before it comes in and then you got to let these young kids go through. And eighteen year olds take a long time in the League to get I mean I think you could do eighteen. I think they have to twenty one in the league. I think eighteen they're too small. And then that the I just can't see the clubs of green and see. You know, big clubs like penrith have got Hughes Junior's paramatter. You know, why are they going to sit back and let the roosters that get their best players? So my feeling is what you need to do is you don't need a draft, but you should be rewarded for building your own plays. If you look at our club, West Tigers, over had a really good pipeline. Are Young players. So when they get if another club buys your players within five years of the making grade, you should get two or three hundred thousand dollars back in cash from the other club. So say to DESCO Gates eight hundred thousand. The Tigers get three hundred thousand of that and then the other thing you do is push their salary cap out. So not only would they get cash but you'd say, well, I will give you more for benefits because then that way...

...the clubs are forced to develop their own players around a draft and you get benefits. So you actually it becomes a bit like English soccer that your junior is actually are worth money to you. So if they're not making it for you, you can make money, whereas right now, I mean you look what's happening with penrith. Penrith of just got this huge cropper players and other clubs down, including hours just sitting there taken off their best, you know, the next level down and penrith go. What's rewards into that? So I mean to your answer, I don't think we need a draft, but I think the clubs need to get their pathways done. Me, if you look what feel good with with Pan Writh, he went in there what eight years ago, hose to join out. So they went through a lot of pain and finally it starting to pay dividends. He'll hopefully do the same with the warriors and you just got to do it. Tim Sheen's did it with the Tigers back in the thousands. So I think that's more I don't need. I don't think you need a draft, but I think every club should have pathways for juniors and you should get benefits from developing our juniors, which right now in the Selo Cup there is. Yeah, I've completely agree with the obviously you can't have like a transfer fee because that doesn't work with salary cups and stuff, but that doesn't need to be compensation. I know the AFL do it, but they do it through draft pick, so that won't work unless the draft comes in. But yeah, hundred percent agree. I always felt that it was pretty injust like when we went through that stage in the early ten of producing players and people would pick them off and you'd get nothing for it. And I think sadly, penrith will eventually lose quite a few of these youngsters and not get anything from it either. So I do think something needs to change their especially like I know they're the target of a lot of abuse, but it's true that's really what the roosters do. But what you got to do is some like there's two ways to rebuild, isn't here? There's one where you got out and by you know, like say the Tigers and the cowboys, they've got to pay. If a players where six hundredzero a good player, those clubs are got to pay eight hundred to get them. So their Salary Cup to get stuffed up by that, whereas a roosters would probably get the same player for four hundred and Fiftyzero. So you got to qualities under the Cellar Cup. So my belief is you don't play that game. You pay what they're worth. If they want to come, they come, if they don't, but you build your juniors and and your clubs be you need a good board, a board that says yeah, we get it. For the next five years we're going to be rubbish, but at the end of that four to five years of junior start coming through in searching. Yeah. Well, I think the Times of the perfect case study for that. They thought about going that route that you mentioned before with the Cherry Evans. Thankfully for them he backflipped because I think they would be nowhere near where they are now. But hit they if he did decide to go to the Gold Coast, as he agreed upon earlier with his contract. But now they've had time. They didn't get that Marquis player they wanted, so they've just been able to build. They've stolen a few plays out of the broncos junior ranks, but for cheap. At the time, obviously feed it wasn't cheap, but that's a bit different. I wasn't like icing on the top of the cake. But yeah, now they've all of a sudden got a lot of exciting young Queensland Talent or northern New South Wales talent and they're on the verge of making a debut finals appearance for a long time and they look like they're going to be a team in the top eight for a fair few years to come with an exciting young coach. That's another thing teams can look out. I think sometimes they just go oh, well, who's the assistant coach at the best team right now? Go here, but I think you've got to be smart with your coaching decision. Go to the Super League if there's a good coach out there, like the Gold Coast did. So yeah, I think that's a perfect K study for it. Yeah, hundred percent agree. I think teams, while the cowboys right now they're trying to buy their way out of this hole they're in with this adom reynolds contract thing. I think there was rumors they were going to get Benjie Marshall and earlier in the year, and I tell you what, none of those moves are going to fix what they've, what they're stuck with at the moment. So I just wanted to address that to open out the podcast. Little bit of a negative chat, but it has been frustrating me all week. Another thing I want to address, as I've got you here, touched on a little bit last week, but we saw it come to fruition once again yesterday with the nights having four injuries in the game. Do you think we need...

...an eighteen ban and if so, how can we stop teams from exploiting it? Yeah, I think you know nighteen man if it's head injuries. But like that game is so they weren't head injuries, they were just injuries, and so you're always going to have that. I think you've got to do what the League's looking at. The A S player can only actually be used if you get three head injuries and those head injuries should be classified by the NRRL or not the club. So there should be a class. Then our old doctor at every game that he decides whether that's hia because, as reading essay, there reckon para matter actually use. There is a headbin that you can use for four play. But the saying that paramatters abusing it with injuries like their leg injuries and things like that. So coaches will always trying and abuse it. So you've got to put really strict rules around it. I don't agree with the merging players because it doesn't make any sense. So you have an eighteen player but you only can use it and if it's really strictly police then they can't abuse it. But I'll find a way. Yeah, they always will find a way, but that's just sport and the competitive nature of it. I think it should just be for any head knock. I think the rule they're bringing in this week's just never going to happen. Three head knocks like that happens once a year probably. I think it should just be if, as you said, if an NRL doctor, independent doctor, confirms that this guy's out for the game with their head injury, I think the sub can come on then, because we saw even on Good Friday. Yes, they were probably going to lose anyway, but when Locklin Lewis went down for the dogs, all of a sudden they'd a hooker going to five eight who've never play in the halves before. They debutante going to hooker having to play eighty minutes. City was probably going to only play twenty minutes and that was basically game over from the outset. So yes, I understand that they're they doing something that are all which is a good thing, bringing in that in this week. But yeah, I just think it's got to be brought down the restrictions a little bit, because I think three headdocks is just never going to happen really. But yeah, I think with the nonhead injuries, I think sadly, you just got to cop that every team, every team get everything you get. So it's going to be you want to you want to game where fatigue is a issue, because otherwise big players just dominate it. You don't want to go back to that. You want to give this smaller players a chance to play. If, whereas if you just as you said before, when you had four forwards on the bench, that the reason they did that because I could do it. What is, if you've got fatigue, you don't want full forwards. Yeah, exactly. You always want a young, you know back and you know the N S and that clubs always had two or three fast players on their bench that they bring in the second half. In the forwards were tied and they just run am UK. Yeah, yeah, it's be like soccer the the they use that substitution right the so it's kind of the negative things is kin of the week and the last negative thing it's probably the nights before we touched on the positive things. They had an absolute shocker of a sudden. They didn't. They reminded me exactly the same last year. I think it was three or four rounds after the resumption post lockdown, they put the panthers on the exact same time slot of Sunday afternoon. Mitch will pierce went down, Connor Watson went down, someone else went down, camember, who against the panthers, and they ended up losing golden point. I think all they might have wine and golden point actually, but it kind of derailed their season there. They went from a being a good team to a team that kind of made up the numbers in the eighth. But they lost bitual, Pierce, Texhoy, David, David Clamor and Kurtman. Yes, stay all tea injuries. Kurtman looks like it's just concussion, so he should be fine for next week. clammer down, sure he had a weird knee twist, but he's getting skance today. But joy and pierce long term. Hoy did a hommy and pierced erupted his peck. So they think pierce could be up to ten weeks. For he could be a month to six weeks, but with calen poin coming back that's not too relevant. But yeah, it's pretty, pretty damning for a team. It's had a pretty awful start to the season. Loss of the Tigers last week now also the dragon yesterday, and it looks like out of the...

...teams and made the eight last year, they're looking like the favorite to drop out this year, with the sharks good recent form. So yeah, it's going to really test out of O'Brien. I think we're going to see what he's made of Pretty early in his coaching career, and also KP as well. There's a lot of rBS about ponger. A lot of the fullbacks this year look like they've gone to a new level and so when he comes back from his injury, where, whether it be this week or next week, he's really gotta put the boys on his back and really carry that team. They've got a good forward pack on paper they should be making the top eight and yes, with a mutual piece it's tough, but yeah, they should be there and it's all down to O'Brien and ponger really and what they do over the next twenty weeks. Because, look, it's unlucky that they've got those injuries, but I'm sure every wall we saw the roosters cap that last week, but I just thought that was one of the biggest losers coming out of the week. Their season kind of got tipped on its head just in the space of eighty minutes. Right winners of the week been more positive? The roosters, I think, are big winner. I was like similar to the nights up this week. I was pretty low on them last week because obviously they suffered a fair few injuries in that game against the Rabbitos, but walker looked good on debut steered the team around to a win. They can they prove that they can still win without established halves, which I was doubting. You and lock were pretty confident they still could, but they comfortably be the warriors thirty two to twelve. Do you think they can still win the premiership with Walker and Hutcheson in the halves or just the good talk. Yeah, the good night. I'll get top five team, but you compare them to Melbourne and souse and I will see us killed in the week before. So I watched him last night. Look they good, but I think against the really good teams they be not as good. So think Melbourne and Penrith and and rabbits will kill him when the finals come. Ay, I think even Campbell do it. So I still think they're where they were last year or finish fifth or six. Yeah, no, I tend to agree. I think they will. It will buy them in ball. It's not like they made a decision, but I will come around to hurt them in finals, I think, having the experience, hailes. But yeah, I think we saw last week every team that's basically below them in the rankings right now that they'll pretty easily knock off. They've just got that much talent. The dragons. What do you make of the dragons? have got off to a three in one start. They won last night with our been hunt, which no one was really expecting. But the nights did have those injuries. Do you think dragons are a top eight smokey, or they've just had a sun draw? Earlier. I think they've had a soft draw but they're playing better. I mean, I think the problem of the dragons. I actually don't think their roster was bad and I think they just lost a plot. So I think they're just getting more out of the players are getting. Yeah, so, yeah, I think they will challenge for the top eight. The dragons, which surprised me because at the beginning of you we all thought after their trial games that were rubbish. But they've come out and but then, you know, like we said, they've been in the cowboys get they beat last one kind of clean new Cartanley manly. So then you got to be careful. I mean they've got a soft drawl, but they're winning and that's what they got to do and you know they'll they look competitive. They got a big pack of forwards, yactly. I think what lets them down those are backline. I don't think is as good. Lomax is really good player, but I think dufty's to hit and miss and Norman goes missing in big gums. Yeah, complete early agree, Ben Hunt was in the form of his life, so it's a shame that he is being injured. Jack Bird to come back into the side this week after missing through suspension. So yeah, they're looking like a team that could beat could cause a few upsets this year. But yeah, a hundred percent of grow. I think the soft draw might be making them look a little bit better than they are at the moment, and I know I looked at their drawer a little bit earlier and it does get a little bit tougher from here. But their defense looks like it's a bit more solid this year and they do have enough talent to shock a few teams. So definitely watch out for the dragons. And finally, the biggest winner of this week's probably Ryan Path and housing incredible. We will at the game. Is Pretty Awesome. What happened? How for tries and...

...was it fifteen minutes and eleven minutes? Jeez, and I think coming out of this weekend, if you did a poll around the NROL I reckon, most would rate him above to DESCO. We'll talk about that in a little bit, though. And the storm has both games without him. He comes back they win foot by forty points. So I think he's coming out well. You already was a superstar, but I think coming out of this weekend he's looking like one of the best, if not the best, player in the competition. What do you think of little pappy? I know you're a big fan. I think it's just brilliant. I think it's new rules. He only does his laiter around the ball, and that's what you want with your half, your half some fullbacks, you just want them around the ball all the time. Some of the ball comes free, they're there, and that's what he did the other night. Like he didn't really set up the tries, the breaks, but he's right next to once the breaks a mate, and that's what you want, your fast guy right there. But you know he also though, whenever he gets the ball, he caused Brisbane all sorts of trouble. Like you'll get tim fifteen meters and then he's really fast, fast play the ball and then you're stuffed. Once I get that role on, then you're not coming back. Yeah, do you think? Do you use the best player on the ground on Friday? Yeah, and I think therefore it's better. I think Nelson was better. I think Christian well, which was better? I mean the forwards win the Games really. Yeah, I actually do think that was probably Nelson's best game. I've seen him play he before he came on, it was actually kind of close in the middle, apart from the breakaway tries they were scoring. The fight in the middle was actually all right because paying host is playing well. But then when Nelson came on, the broncos looked a bit intimidated. Well, he gets passed away. Yeah, and so then PAP and has it comes into the game, because all he does, as said before, was run around that guy with the ball. So figets his hands free. You're in trouble. Yeah, and he's hard to stop. So you know you've really got a but then again, Britain, it's weird because Brisbane's had the size to take him out, but they just didn't. Yeah, so they're probably some of the players in the week right there, Welch, Nelson, PAP nows and just another guy I wanted to talk about for player of the week, Damian Cook. I thought he was back to his best on Good Friday footie. He had a pretty offseason, to everyone's admission, last year. But he had to line breaks, but they were more than just linebreaks. They would try sis straight through the middle of the Rock. You just drew and past. I think one was to cody walker current, but who the other one was too, and he also completed forty seven tackles at ninety eight percent. So he looks like he's back to his best, which is pretty scary for opposition of the rabbits because he was probably performing at eighty percent of his best level last year. So to think that they could have another gear and damn and cook get getting back to his two thousand and eighteen, two thousand nineteen best is frightening for everyone in the competition. I do fear for the Rabbitos that they're picking a little bit early, but they might be just that good. They could sustain this for the whole season. Also shout out to Chad town's end, who had three trieses and sunk eight from eight goals. I was pretty impressive. event. Thought Matt Burton was good in his debut performance at center or a. We touched on it before Papenhausen, so I thought we brought it in last week. The list segment where I talked about my most hated and loved will not loved, but teams are like the most in the competition. This week we're going to be doing our top ten fullbacks. Obviously papenhouse and is breakout start to this year well, and the back end of the last year's cool. It's raised a lot of conversation about who's the best fullback in the game and right now we're pretty lucky to have so many good ones. I was just looking at the teens before. It's probably twelve gun fullbacks right now, which is pretty crazy. So we're just going to run through our individual top ten full back ranking. So if you want to go from your starting from ten, may starting with ten. Yep, go from ten time lead the best to last toimement ten. I got Tommy t from manly and that's because he hasn't played. Yeah, you can't. He'd probably be up higher, but he's not playing. Yeah. Then I've got Ponga because same reason. Like you just don't know. I'm not sure about ponger still. I don't know if he's a lot of hype or he is that good, but say he's down the bottom. Then I've got the Canberra...

...fullback chance. Yeah. Then I got a smoky and it's probably biased because the tigers, but Dane Lorie, I think he looks good. You know he's young, he's only played four games, but he looks dangerous every time he gets the ball. He looks dangerous. I mean the probably the only thing wrong with you is small. Yes, six, I got Dylan Edwards, who's just safe. I mean he's nothing special, but he's safe. Yeah. Then you got Gutherson, and Gothson really is just all sheer energy. I mean he's not yet. I don't think there's a lot of skill there. I think he just gives a hundred and twenty percent every week and he's everywhere. Then I've got artie s from the war Wrights, because easy road. He's probably I think he probably you could if he was behind the same pack of forwards. This paper house into de Esca, probably be the best in the gay because he's dynamite. Then you got La Troll, Mitchell to DESCO, and I've got papping house, and I headed to this go because I think it's a toss of the coin between both of them. But I think I just like papping house and better because he's just I think he's more dangerous. Teddy. Teddy plays a very strong game, very brute strength, like he's fast and it strengths he's you know, he's something like a hundred kilos or something. Yeah, so it's a big forward. They can run fast. Where's papping a house in the small but he just popped up everywhere. And the key to that really when you look at those papenous in to DESCO, ourts and guffers and they're always around the ball. Latroll Mitchell's a bit different. He drifts in another game but he plays a different style. You know. He's more of a big five eight. Yeah, but those other guys, they're very all similar. But you know, as you said, we're pretty lucky. And then that's a pretty good list and they're all playing similar and the new rules all suit and yeah, agree. Yeah, just quickly before we move on to my top ten, I ordered to ask you. You've got papingous and one. Does that mean he is your New South Wales fullback, or do you think the origin game is a bit different and so it's scall. I think to DESCO will play because he's yeah, it's origin is a bit of a brutal game in the first forty minutes a size. So you put to desk go in and then you have papen house and off the bench men. He could play anyway, five eight, he could play wing and he could play fullback, but I think you bring him on once forwards done a bit of damage. And that's what new stuff. I was like last year. was they really lack that spark? Was that last game with Harry Grant, with Queensland? They had the spark. Where's our guys? Just you know. But then I mean the other thing I'd stand back as a problem the new self I was last year. We pick too far, too many people out of position and so they don't Jell. But yeah, and I'd still have to just go above PAP and have yeah, shout out to Harrod Graham Cooper John's, who which is in the melve plays ox. Just chatting the girls on on Friday night. Got On Harry Grahams actually given the lads nothing. He was too easy with the girl. But Fair enough. Or my top ten list, it's a little bit different. Fairly similar though. Number town I'm going Brimson. I think he's a little bit more inconsistent than some of the guys up the top here, but on his day he can be a top five full back in the camp nine. I've got dealing that woods. Yet pretty similar to you. I think it's just a fairly stock standard. Most weeks he'll give you a seven, eight out of ten performance. Rarely see it nine or ten out of him, though, but he's very good player. Eight, I've gone with Shawn's. I think he is one of the best defensive fullbacks in the competition. However, I do think that's a little bit less important in the last couple of years. I think that was really important, like twenty, sixteen, seven and eighteen, but seems you seem to see the less like fullback stops at the moment. But I think he's really good at that. Similar to Guferson, I think he's a bit less skillful but just gives everything he's got for the green machine. Seven, I'm going ponger. Yeah, we haven't seen him in two thousand and twenty one yet, but I think on his day still very good. I think he is similar to Roger, a little bit less, not as strong as Roger, doesn't break as many tackles, but he's got a bit more of a passing game. So yeah,...

I've got him down at seven, but is similar sort of player to Roger. I think six, I've gone the TREILL, which is debatably too low, but I've seen the top five's too good personally, but yeah, he's a very good ball player. I would be interested to see how he went in a team that wasn't so dominant in attack, because usually he's only required on the last play and he just does the block play pass. But it's very good at that, so you can't argue. Five, I've gone with Tommy T yeah, I've probably got him lower than he could be just because he never body plays, but I think when he's there, we saw it at the start of last year's right up there with the very best. Four, I've gone with the Guffson. I think at the side of this year, if I did this list, he would be down at eight or nine, but he's had a sensation, sensational start to the year. Completely love how much effort and energy he brings. Reminds me of like this sounds outrageous, but he reminds me of first and how the obviously Thursten's a lot better player than Guffson, but he just brings everything to the game. He's always somehow they're they make a line break. WHO's chasing them down? It's Gutho like. He's just incredible of that kind of stuff. Third, I've got Roger and a hundred percent agree with what you said about Roger. I think if he was playing it a bit in a better team with more strike power around him, he would be the best full back in the competition. But he's still pretty body good at number three, number two. I've gone happy. I foot teddy first. I just had to do it. Like you said, it's a flipping mccoin. Really both sensational players, both probably in the top five in our game currently. But for me, though I think about it, is I think if they played for a mid table side, I think teddy would be the better player. I think Papin House and thrives on playing for the best team in the competition, San so does teddy. So it's hard to we haven't seen teddy play for an average team for three or four years, so it's hard to make that argument. But I just think, like we saw him Friday, and I realistically, Papenhausen's impact was finishing off line breaks. He wasn't necessarily creating them himself. Where Teddy last night? He grabs the ball in the middle, he just runs through the forwards and he scores. So yeah, for me I'm just going Teddy, but I do understand it's a close one, but it's an interesting conversation. It's crazy how full backs have changed since I was younger, like back in like two thousand and twelve. I reckon you were lucky to have five good full backs. Like it's completely change right now. There's arcurably less halfbacks and full backs. But yeah, that's a weird, weird conversation for another day. I've also asked you for your top five full backs. Ever, obviously I'd like to contribute to this, but I've really only watched two hours, I guess, of Footy, so I don't think I can contribute. So I just wanted to have an in see your inside. I know it's a pretty bloody vague and open question best fullbacks of all time, but talk us through your thinking. It's hard. I mean it's really an interesting position because a lot of them stand out over time. But obviously, billy slater, I think it's the best that you are suffer from recency in your memory. Yeah, like you go well, but no, I think he was pretty dynamic and he did change the way I always look at it. Did they change the game and what you just said, then the full backs changed and slightly changed it. You know, I actually think Brett Hudson. He's not in my top five, but when he was under Sheen's he changed the way a fullback played and he become a ballplayer. Then lock he has started becoming a ballplayer and then you went from that into this ballplayer speed which slavery is. So he really changed the game. But number two I got Graham Langlin's, who was one of the original mortals. You know, he played in the S, part of the Great St Georgeira. I saw him, you know, I actually saw him live and he was a dynamic player, but you know you had a big side step. They played different games, but very strong defender. Then the third was Gary Jack, who's tiger in the s and they always again say that Jack Changed the game, that he was a really bit like Gothers, and you know he would get the ball and...

...his strength was he would just run like he would pick up the ball and just charging in the forward pack, and this is back in the days when full base didn't do that. Yeah, he would just rip into him and he was safe. For me that I was think that's a really sad thing for Gary Jack, as he's the guy that dropped the ball in eighty nine grand five. Up until then he was safe as safe and you know, so he was good. I got another guy that probably only older people like me would remember. His Gray Meaty in their seventy same time as langland's, played for manly. He took over from Langland's. He was a again, a dynamic ballplayer, big, solid guy, look like a wombat. That was his name, but he was big, very much like that Gary Jack and off that ere a big. They were big, solid full but I've heard of and then I then I've got to DEESCO. I think TESCO. I thought about this long. I thought, do you put lock? You're in there. But I see Lucky Amore as a five eight. Yeah, and then I suppose you'd have to pull out all your your memories. But you know, like I think to DEESCO. But you know, there's some great fullbacks, but they sort of you know, like longevity is a hard thing in rugby league, so they come and going. I mean there's guys like Russell Fairfax or still play for the roosters of the s. He was he was dynamic. It was Ted Goodwin from St George. I mean there's just this huge list of play Great Britain or for cantery, but they're the ones I remember, and I mean eating and Langland's dominated international level before state of origin, and then Jack was new Cethwales fullback for years, and then Tedesco and slater. So I think that would be my least there. Very interesting. Actually, I haven't heard of your fourth guy even interesting. Well, he won mainly one for premierships within these sense fire. All right, moving on, enough talk about fullbacks. Moving on to our rolling top a predictions. Obviously we discussed this week to week. I've got dad's top eight season preseason prediction. He records is on the Rock and one change. You want to talk us through that? Well, at the beginning I had souse first. See No reason to change that. Sounds of dynamic. I got Melbourne. Who not sure about whether Melbourne's to I still not sure about Melbourne. I think they're really good, but interesting. On their two big games they lost, true, and I think that's where they Miss Cam Smith. GAM Smith, I mean monsters, are really good player, but he's not. I don't know if he's good game managers, but crazy. Yeah, whereas Smith would slow games down and get it done so, but I still have Melbourne to Penrith, of really surprised me. They're just as good as last year. I thought they might be a little bit off the pace. Canberra fourth, still got them there. Then I got paramatter, who I think a good but not great. You know, they're better than the teams they play but they're not at that same class and that. But they having said that, you know Paramatta beat Melbourne. Yeah, exactly. You've got risters. Still got the Gold Coast. I had the Tigers in there but after watching them and I think I'd put Croeller in, I think coroneler actually look pretty good. You know, that would be my eight. Newcastle, I know, I think they were lucky to get their last year. It's just one of those weird drawers that they got in there. But they've already lost two games and you know, they're the most vunderable of the top eight. Gold Coast, I think they're a bit slow, but I think they're going to get better, as you guys on and their Ford Packers Dynamic and I just think Gold Coast will start rolling. So yeah, I think. I still think Gold Coast could be a team that really shakes the premiership if they get their act together. Yeah, a hundred percent agree. Right now they're playing basically why? I think foggity got injured on Saturday and and Ashtail is not playing and still putting up good formances with back up half. So yeah, I completely agree with that. TEENA and for feeder of being ridiculous. Looking at my not too many changes this week because most of the favorites did win, so not many opinions change. But I've still got storm top rabbiters, second, pets is the paramount of Fourth Raiders and Fifth I've got the roosters up from seven to six. That I just think they showed me...

...that they can still be a really good team without Kyrie or lucky land. I've got it. So that's shuffled the times down to seventh, no particular reason, just because I lifted the roosters. And then the eight. I think anyone could take this eight spot. I think you got the sharks, tigers, dragons, even the night still could get it. It's going to be really interesting to see who does get it. I think ultimately that something to have too much impact on finals because they're likely going to have to play paramounter or camera. So I don't think you're winning that game, but at the moment I've got the sharks in there. I did have the Tigers. Kind of forgot about KRONALLA COMP can't. I just think right now the Tigers look like one of the more solid teams around that spot. Teams like nights or too inconsistent and unpredictable where I'm hoping the Tigers just beat the teams they have to beat this year, but you never know. The tags many interesting about that group. Players got the team's Gold Coast Tigers, all the warries. I thought about the warriors. They're all teams on the way up. Yeah, exactly. They are teams that probably won't shake it this year. You'll be next year they shake it. And then you look at the roosters. I still reckon the roosters. You they got big problems. You Got Marris, the Morris boys eventually going to retire and as like, who's going to place them? Friend is meant to be retiring this week. So they starting to lose players out of that squad board cordinate and you've got to think he's not coming back. Yeah, so they got some problems and then they got a bunch of young players that you know that's a problem young players. They take fews to get consistent. Yeah, exactly. So they're going to be exposed, I think so. Yeah, I think it's you back to the original conversation about where we are. I think actually there are a bunch of teams who are on the way up. It's just they're not ready yet. They're probably a year, two years away. Yeah, I actually think it's a very exciting time right now. Like that, there's so many things that can make the Ay. It's truly only three or four teams that we can rule out and then pretty much everyone else could be there. Would like. I have to say I keep under estimating the warriors. They surprise me a week after week. They were a little bit disappointing last night, but the roosters were too good. I think they would be pretty interesting if camera finished fifth and the warriors came eight, because warriors have been camera in the last two times they've played at camera. So that'd be an interesting a little matchup there. But yeah, we both got the sharks in it eight right now. They did Wallop the cowboys, but not sure if that's too hard at the moment, but we'll see next Sunday. Like I do on a count count legs before they ma answered. You know, I told you with the injuries, I mean if you know, if you look at it, monster got injured for Melbourne, if latroll Mitchell got injured for sous clearly gets injure for Penrith, they all fall apart. Yeah, hundred percent. You know, I think. I think that's the thing where, you know, it's who's gets the least. To me, you know what you said before. newcastles these seasons in a mess now because the injuries. Yeah, so you only need one or two bad games where you lose three or four players and any of those teams you know. So who's going to hang in there the longest? Yeah, yeah, I completely agree. Injuries are sadly, it's such a big part of the game. I'm all it's. Moving on to our week five predictions. Around five predictions. Obviously round four hasn't even finished, so feels a little bit weird to be doing but looking at our shore bets of the week, I can't lower right now there's a panting of shore bets to pick from because, as were talked about it before, that top for top five are so good. You're looking at the storm is to be they are paying a dollar for so I think the punt agrees. Of You. I'm actually who did I go with? I've forgotten who I've gone with. A yeah, I when the EELS. They're playing the dragons, so it's arguably a ballsy pick for me. That's right, it no, this is my that's my sure bet. There are dollars. Thirty four. Yeah, I just think the eels at banquet against the bottom eight team. I don't think they lose unless there's some sort of wild injuries this afternoon. Hopefully not for their sake. Hopefully yes, for our sake. They are packing all thirty four. The dragons are in good form, but Ben Hunts out. It's a banquet. I just don't think the EELS lose, to be honest. But yeah, that's the other games. Like the RABBITO's should be the broncos. Something would have to go crazy wrong there, all right.

Moving on to the upset of the week, this is a tough one to pick the moment. As I mentioned, like this week, I don't think there was a single upset, unless the mighty tags get up the tonight. Who are you looking at? You've got the sharks in to beat the roosters. Well, shakes it around. As I said, sharks are a team that's surprising everyone because they've they're right like there. They're an interesting stage. They've got what they've done. I think John Ross has done a good job. They're in aging roster that he's got rid of their like for feeder and all that are not playing first ground. Yeah, and he's turned it over to the young players and they're very fortunately sharks got a bunch of young kids coming through. They look pretty dynamic and the problem with you, as we saw with the roosters last week against house, they're not battle hardened the big teams because they're winning so soft. The problem for them is if they come up a team that can go the distance with them, they're a bit vulnerable because then just not used to it. So I reckon the sharks are. They've got a pretty bad record against the roosters, but you know it's roll it in there. Tell you what the sharks. Everyone talks about the penrith crop of youngsters. If the sharks kept kyl flanning in and jade and Brayley, they've had a pretty generation of youngsters come through almost I think over half of their team's homegrown and obviously sewan Johnson's out there. That's not phasing them at the moment. They've got some forwards to come back and a Tealakai. Don't think nick or played on Saturday. I think Royce Hunt, so they'll just add to their Ford. Neyland's playing the best he's playing. Yeah, exactly, and Chad Townsend looking good, connentracy. He's just playing any position they need and he's doing bloody well. So you could be onto one there. I've gone. I wasn't really sure with either of them as it is an upset. So it's tough and I'll probably tip them and get them wrong, like I did this week, but I'm going on the raids to beat penrith. It's a tough one, just it's tough to tip against pain rith. That penrith it any week. But the rags did when pretty comfortably against the Times, which I think was an impressive win for them after a disappointing loss to the warriors. Penrith is still without Corras on Edward, so if they're ever going to be weak, it's guess you could argue it's during this period I think the raiders have a really good forward pack right now. The pain of Ford packs playing great, but the if you looked at them on paper, you'd pick the raiders Ford Pack. So if they can beat them in the middle, maybe clearing law I don't get to play the game on their terms as much they like. Another upset I'm interested in now. This is a road because we've been talking about how bad the nights season is looking now, but I'm actually gone the nights over the Times once again. I don't know if I fully believe in either of these upsets, but if I had to pick one, these would be the two I pick. The titans of potentially looking at playing without Ash Taylor or Jamal Foggety, so neither of their starting halves. The nights probably get ponger back and I just think even though they've got those injuries, they're still got a good forward pack. They've got the SAFETIE boys. Brayley's playing really well right now. No Pierce hurts, for sure, but Connor Watson back in your mate, yeah, but he's not a mean's not a half. Yeah, that they are, and and a lot of Bot lots a piece is big one for those guys. Yeah, they're in a spot of bottle. But look, I can't lie picking it up setting n roll right now. It's pretty many. Think about two years ago Pierce Gott injured and they went from I think they're in the top four and didn't make the eight. Yeah, it's true. It's true. So, yeah, that's but it's often pick it up set right now because there's top teams are so good. Yeah, but I think that's the thing that you got to focus on. The like when you look at the top six teams, any of those teams could win the premission. Yeah, it's a bit weird. You know, you got our battle for the top eight difficult, but the battle for the premierships wide open. Yeah, it's not. It's like, if you look at it one to sixteen. Yeah, we know there's a good bracket and mid bracket and a bad bracket, but that happens most years and, like you said, it's an wide open race in that spot for seventh and eighth. That race for seventh and eighth, it's about seven teams a good going there. So I don't really know what it's chattered where this chats come from. So I know some people look for Click Bait in the media. So they're probably just you know, there you could argue why to the N R all have this draw for Easter?...

Yeah, it's not a great schedulely, and I do think scheduling should be way more flexible. I know there's Stadium's planning, tickets planning. I bet teams about a plan done this drawing the offseason. You know, east is a big weekend where people watch football. MMM, why would you have the drawer that you had? I mean you look at all those guys. The only one who would be manly. You might have thought manly were better this year, but the other ones, like Canterbury and shut that. Isn't that a special game, though? Isn't that a Good Friday? Yeah, but I think you just sometimes got it. But you you've got to go now. Like, why wouldn't you played like stead of Souse and Roosters last week? Why don't you play House and Roosters this week? And it's still my big game at Melbourne, so that each one of his stadiums, each one of your cities, has got big crowds? Yeah, I do think the Melbourne Brisbane Gang was bit TV writing hungry that one. I think they were just looking for a massive, massive writing on a Friday night, because that was never ever going to be good in anyone's eyes in preseason. But that's all we've got for the podcast today. Pleasure having you on. We'll probably try it, look to get you on, you know, once a month or whatever. You are very busy man. Just been out out wrestling pigs in the backyard, chopping trees down like a true man. But yeah, it's been very fun chat about. I think we've done some good analysis today too. So I'm waiting for the phone call from Channel Nine or Fox sports. I think we we're a one. We do have a league unlimited journalist in our house, but sadly he's neither of there's any. Just want to be involved. Yeah, like I think that could be a big thing for the PODCAST, getting a League on limited journal Soth. But that's okay, like, don't worry about me. But yeah, we've talked a lot. We've talked about a lot of things. We've discussed where the pappy's the best player in the world and it's a game rugby. Rugby League loves of Crossis EU. So you know, there's always it kind of qualities are largest crosses. But is it a cross? Absolutely not. So yeah, same time, same place next week. Thanks for joining me down, thanks for list think you cheese go tags. So yeah,.

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