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NRL Round 4 Review | Rugby League - Episode 118

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Hamish finally delivers on his promise and is joined with a guest, Fraser, to review the Round 4 action in the NRL. The big topics in Rugby League are addressed such as league inequality, the feasibility of a draft, the 18th man rule and the best Fullbacks in the NRL right now. 

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ALARA welcome back to the ONTERWALLpodcast. His is episode a hundred and eighteen of the show and we are joinedby I guess this week I promised one for a few weeks couldn't deliver, but I'vegot phrase on the Oracle of Regbula. Are you happy to be Hemat Ohit's happyto be with you homis thanks far that any greo anytime appreciate itappreciate your presence, really look. Let us down once again, but that'sigtwoul love, Locke Lovblack! We got a nice Easter weekend. It is nowr EasterMonday. So unfortunately that means the mighty West Tigers will be playingtonight or this afternoon, how you feeling for, I think I'll, lose, but I think they'reclose fir yeah as long as they're competitive, unlike some of the Games this weekend,but we'll get to that in a second. So although there is still one game leftof the round, I want to get this. You know up early can't be doing atWednesday gas in the next round sout Thursday. So we will just have toforget about the Paramouti eels and the Tigers for this week, but we will bereviewing round four of the NRL there's. Obviously, a lot of talking pointscoming out of this week. Sadly, a lot of them negative as it does seem to bethe case for NRL, so we'll probably have to address those first and Iactually want to get something on funchess. This inequality talk aboutthe NRL. Is it's been triggering me all week? It usually the like. I get trigged by like a refereescall like a coaches decision or something like that, but stuff, likethis broader picture off off the field. Stuff, usually doesn't rir me up toomuch, I'm just like they're just doing it for some Click Bay, they're just illinformed, but this one's actually annoying me because to me it's justcompletely inaccurate, the chouts of like whether we should have a draft,whether there's just this big six like a premier league or something like that,it's just wrong like it, doesn't take much effort to realize it's wrong. Whatdo you think about all this chatthat's been gone on? This weekend I look, Ithink, what you're saying is there is't in a quality, there's a huge gap between the topteams and the bottom teings, but it's no different to any other year, reallyAquir, it's just with the game as fast as it is gaps bigger, that's all, because theother teams can't slow the game down. But there's still you know, even if youwent back to the old rules, the top sics ill still be winning. You know,that's what people forget if you go back to three years ago, under the oldrules of still the same team, so the rules are not making. The change isjust in all professional sports teams. US gothrough cycles and ufortunately. These teams are at the bottom of their cyclesand aother thing ti've been caught out with is the change of rules has changedthe way you play the game and they haven't been able to adapt. So thenthey've got to make those changes through their roster, which will takethree years ye but itis what it is. Yeah and I've just wipped up someresearch here just quickly. We basically we've been talking aboutthis all week, but I've just got some definitive Dala on it, so the Rabbit Osso will address some of the teams who a e in thes suppose top five top six thatare permanently better than everyone else. The RAVENOS didn't make finals intwo thousand and sixteen or seventeen the roosters didnt make finals in twothousand and sixteen the Raiders didn't make finals in two thousand andeighteen panters didn't make finals in two thousand and nineteen. So that'sfour of the supposed big five Melbourne's e, Our lier, but that'sbecause they have the best coach of all time and they've basically had three ofthe best ten players of all time in their team for a decade. So that'spretty handy and they've got some pretty good offfield administration,one of the best executives in the competition so like. I think that speks o itself andthen, if we look at the teams down the bottom, so the main three culprits atthe moment and the main three who have been on the ends of some big losses:The broncoes that I don't think Gr an issue and then they'll be good in acouple o years, hi've got some good young players, so I don't think you canharp on them too much. But looking at the cowboys manly and the bulldogs, thecowboys currently have valhomes on a...

...mill to two thousand and twenty five,which I think is probably one of the worst contracts in nrol history,Michael Morgan, on a million Til, two thousand and twenty three and JasonTawmalole on a million to two thousand and twenty five. So to think thosethree players getting paid three million dollars in what they're puttingout on the field. I think that just explains why the cowboys are losing byforty points every week. So I don't think we can say it's inequal. Thereneeds to be a draft to help them out. They just seed to stop making stupidsignings. Really an there's talks of them signing reynolds for like eighthundred nine hundred K, which look- I don't know about that, because he isapproaching the end of his career as well. There's they've made stupidsinings like masters and stuff, so I think they've just going to sort their signings ye up, because they've dugthemselves into a hole- and I think we're talking about this at breakfastthis morning. But I think jt and Maddie born were hiding some of those mistakesover the last decade or so just through the tawent they had but yeah it shonthat their list management is actually quite poor ever since Jan t, retired,but yeah, and also looking at the cowboys theywere in finals like two orthree seasons ago, so they're not been perenial losers, manly of igll be beingthe best one of the best teams since twosand, so you can't argue they'rebeing down the bottom. Looking at some of their cap management DCS on onepoint: Three million right now he's pobably playing at a level of a sixhundred K, player'd, say Moto Sollis on five hundred and fifty k. that's awfulallowis on six hundred K who, at the time, ats probably what he was worthbut he's not played well so far, and the turbos are on just over two millioncombined and I don't think you could justify that. They should be worth onepoint: two million combined at the moment, because Tom can't get on thefields and Jakes us not delivering what we need from m and then the dogs well does Housld, basically justdestroyed their salary cap and theyre only starting to get over that. But,however, in the early twenty tenth they were one of the best teams, but they'vealso made some pretty bad signings. I think cotric was overpaid. Don Nap wasoverpaid, however, they do have map burn coming back coming to the clubnext year and out of CAS. So I think the bulllogs will only get better asthe season goes on as some of those combinations grow. So I think I'vedispelled some of the chat there that there's this perennial top six, theseponit teams down the bottom to be quite false because it's been frustrating meall weekend really because it doesn't take much thinking to realize that itisn't true. The one outlier is Melburn, but as I explain before, that's just arare case. So do you think a draft despite me thinking it's rubbish thatthere's a permanent topsic or something do you think a draft could help or doyou think that just wouldn't work in NRL and it's really only fair thoughwell, I think he problem is wit, t e draft. It's it still wiln't safe,fovies yeah, because I mean, if you say you did it well, you wouldn't do itnext year, but it would be two o three years before it comes in and then yougot to let these young kids go through and eighteen year olds take a long time in the league. To getI mean, I think you could do eighteen, I think they have to twenty one inleake. I think eighteen they're too small and then that the I just can't see theclubs of green and see you know. Big Clubs like Penrith they've got hugejuniors paramatta. You know why are they going to sit backand let the roosters nd not get their best players? So my feeling is what you need to do. IsYou don't need a draft, but you should be rewarded for building your own plays.If you look at our club, West Tigers twe've had a really good pipeline, anyoung players so when they get. If another club buys your players withinfive years of the making grade, you should get two or three hundredthousand dollar back in cash from the other club, so say: Today'Sgo Gates,eight hundred thousand the Tigers get three hundred sand of thet and then theother thing you do is push their salary cap out. So not only would they getcash but you'd, say well. Ikay well, give you more for benefits, becausethen...

...that way the clubs are forced todevelop their own plays ritther draft and you get benefit. So you actually tbecomes a bit like English soccer that your Junioris actually worth money to.So, if they're not making it for you, you can make money. Whereas right now Imean you look what's happening with penrith. Penrose have just got thishuge crop of players and other clubs Dow, including ours, ar just sittingthere taking off their best p. You know the next level down and penrith gowhats rewards into that. So I mean to your answer. I don't think weneed a draft, but I think the clubs need to get their pathways done. I mean,if you look what feel gooled wit with Panrith. He went in there what eightyears ago hose the joint out. So they went through a lot of pain and finallyt starting to pay dividends. He'll, hopefully do the same of the warriors and you've just got to do it. Timsheenes did it with the Tigers back in the thousands. So I think that's more.I don't need, I don't think inned a draft, but I think every club shouldhave pathways for juniors and you shouldy get benefits for developing OJus, which right now the sellar cop, the reason yeah. I completely agreewith that obviously kind ove like transfer fee, because that doesn't workwith salary, cups and stuff, but there doesn't need to be compensation. I knowthe AFL do it, but they do it through draft pick, so that won't work. Unlessthe draft comes in Vit, yea hundred percent agree, I always felt that itwas pretty injust like when we went through that stage in the early tenty,tenth of producing players and people, Ou d pick them off and you'd getnothing for it and I think sadly, penrith will eventually lose quite afew of these youngsters and not get anything from it either. So I do thinksomething needs to change. Ther, especially like I know, they're thetarge tt of a lot of abuse. But it's true, that's really what the roostersdo, but what you got to do is some lik there's two ways to rebuild: Isn't here,there's one where you go out and buy you know like say the Tigers and thecowboys they've got to pay. If a players worth six hundred housand agood player, those clubs are going to pay eight hundred thousand aget them,so their salary cap get stuffed up by that, whereas the roosters wouldprobably get the same player for four hundred and fifty housand, so you got aqualities under the Sally car. So my belief is you don't play that game? Youpay what they're worth. If they want to come, they come if they don't, but youbuild your juniors and you clubs, but you need a good board aboard that sayye we get it for the next five years, we're going to be rubbish, but at theend of that four to five years of junior start coming through in set yeah.Well, I think the tines of the perfect case study for that they thought aboutgoing that rout that you mentioned before with the Cherry Evens.Thankfully, for them he backflipped, because I think they would be no anearwhere they are now that they, if he did decide to go to the goalcoast as heagreed upon earlier with his contract. But now they've had time they didn'tget that Marky player they wanted so they've just been able to build they'vestolln a few plays out of the broncose junior ranks, but for cheap at the time.Obviously, RFEEDIT wasn't cheap, but that's a bit different. I wasnh'n likeicing on the top of the cake, but yeah now they've, all of a sudden get a lotof exciting young Quenslan talent or northern new southwales talent andthere on the verge of making a debut finals appearance for a long time, andthey look like they're going to be a team in the top pape for a FIF years tocome with an exciting young coach thats. Another thing teams can look out. Ithink sometimes they just go OL wor WHO's. The assistant coach at the bestteam right now will go him, but I think you've got to be smart with yourcoaching decision go to the superleague. If there's a good coach out there, likethe Goald Chis, did so yeah, I think that's a perfect CAS study for it. Yeahhundred percent agree, I think teams well the cowboys right now they'retrying to buy their way out of this whole there. In with this Adam Reynoldscontracting, I think there was rooms. Thet were going to get benchy Marshanearlier in the year, and I tell you what none of those moves are going tofix what they've whut they're stuck with at the moment. So I just wanted toaddress that to open out the podcast little bit of a negative chat, but ithas been frustrating me all week. Another thing I want to ddress as ifgot you here, I touched on a little bit last week, but we saw it come toFruitian once again yesterday, with the nights having four injuries in the game,do you think we need an eighteent man...

...and if so, how can we stop teams fromexploiting it yeah? I think in Aiten man, if it'shead injuries but like that game is so went, heinjuries o just interesting, soyou're always going to have that. I think you got to do with the leagues.Looking at the ADANS player can only actually be used if you get three headinjuries and those head, injuries should be classified by the NRL and notthe plub. So there should be a CL nenol doctorate, every game that he decides.Whether that's Ajia, because is reading Eseday, the RECPARA matter actually use.There is a head Bein that you can use for four play, but thee saying thatparameteris abusing it with injuries like the leg, injries and things likethat, so coaches will always try Ang oabuse it. So you've got to put reallystrict rules around it. I don't agree with the merging playsbecause it does't make any sense. So you have an eighteenth player, butyou only can use it and if it's really strictly police, then they can't abuseit, but they'll find a way yeah. They always will find a way, but that's justsport and the competitive nature of it. I think it should just be for anyheadknock. I think the rule they're bringing in this week's just nevergoing to happen. Three headknocks like that happens once a year. Probably Ithink it should just be if, as you said, if an anireal DOTR independent doctorconfirms that this Guyis out for the game with the head injury, I think thesub can come on then, because we saw even on Good Friday. Yes, Shey wereprobably going to lose anyway, but when Lockan Lewis went down for the dogs,all of a sudden, they had a hooker going to Fiai who've never played thehars before theyhad a Devuton going to hoker having to play. Eighty minutecity was probably going to only play twenty minutes, and that was basicallygame over from the outset. So yes, I understand that they're theyre doingsomething in ro, which is a good thing bringing that in this week, but yeah. Ijust think it's going to be brought down the restrictions a little bit,because I think three headnocks is just never going to happen really but yeah,I think, with the nonhead injuries. I think. Sadly, you just got to cop thatevery Tang, every team evereting it so tat's Min to be you want to. You, wanta game where fatigue ers a issue, because otherwise big players- justdominatit- you don't want to get back to that. You want to give this smallplayers a chance to play if, whereas, if you just as you said before, whenyou had four forwards on the beanch- that the reason they didthat because they could do it, whereas if you've got fatigue, you don't wantfur forwards, yeah exactly you always want to young. You know back in. Youknow the s that clubs always had two or three fast players on their bench. Thattheyd bring in the second half in the forwards were tired and they just run amark. Yeah yeah, it's be like soccer, how the they use that substitutionright, the so that's kind of the negaive things is kind of the week andthe last negative thing. It's probably the night before we touchd on thepositive things they had an absolute shocker of a sudden. They didn't. Theyreminded me exactly the same last year. I think it was three or four rounds after theresumption post lockdown. They payd the panters on the exact San time. For TheSunday afternoon, Mitchell Ppeer to UN down kind of Watson went down. Someoneelse went down com who against the panthers, and they ended up losinggolden point. I think Oh, they might have one and golden point actually, butit kind of dorow their season there. They went from a being good team toattaind the kindes made UF the numbers in the eight, but they oll spitual, ps,Texthoay Day David Clema and Kurtman. Yesterday, all tin, drews curt manlooks like it's just concussion, so you should be fine for next week, clamerDow Shore. He had a weird knee twist, but he's getting scaned today, but Hoan p o belong term. Hoy did a Hammy and Piese ruption his pick, so they thinkpears could be up to ten weeks, for it could be a month to six weeks, but withCAEM pon coming back Thatt's, not too relevant, but yeah, it's pretty pretty damnning. For A ten. It's had apretty awful start to the season lost of the Tigers last week. Now so theDragon Jestterday, and it looks like...

...out of the teams that made the eightlast year, they're, looking like the favorite to drop out this year with thesharks good recent form, so yeah, it's Goin to really test you, Adam O' Brian.I think we're going to see what he's made of Pretty early in his coachingcareer and also KP as well. There's a lot of routs about Ponga, a lot of thefullbacks thish year. Look like they've gone to a new level, and so when hecomes back from inton bre W, whether it be this week or next week, he's reallygotta put the boys on his back and reallycarry that team. They got a good forward park on payper. They should be making thetop eight and yes with amithel piece- it's tough but yesh. They should bethere and it's all down to O'Brian and Ponga really and what they do over thenext twenty weeks. Because look it it's unlucky that they've got those injuriesbut I'm sure every well. We saw the roosters copped out last week, but Ijust thought that was one of the biggest loses coming out of the week.Their season kind of got tipped on its head. Just in the space of eighty minutes,arrigt winners of the week be more positive. Are The rristers I think, arbig winner? I was like similar to the nights up this week. I was pretty lowon them last week because obviously they suffered a fair few injuries inthat game against the Rabbidos. But Walker looked good on debut steered theteam around to a win they can. They prove that they can still win withoutestablishd hearts, which I was doubting you and like were pretty confiden. Theystill could, but they comfortably be the war S. thirty. Two and twelve. Doyou think they can still win the premiership walker and Hutcerson in the harvs orjust the good ti yeah they good night ell be top five team, but you comparethem to Melbourne and Sous Ou know it we'll see. I killed Im the week beforeso I watched them last night, O ter good, but I think against the really goodteams they dhen all as good sothink, Melbourne and Penrithanand rabbertswill kill them. When t the finals Comou, I think even Cambrill do it. So I stillthink theyr wer the were last yearor finish fifth or six yeah. No, I tend toagree. I think they will itill buy them an wall. It's not like they made adecision, but I wiill come around to hurt them in finals. I think having theexperience hars but yeah. I think we saw last week every team thatsbasically below them in the rankings right now that they'll pretty easilyknot off they've just got that much talent, the dragons. What do you Makein?The dragons have got off to three an one start. They won last night withoutBen Hunt which no one was really expecting, but the knights did havethose injuries. Do you think dragons are top EIT, smoky or they've? Just hada Sumterar Earl, I think they've had a soft drob but they're playing better. Imean, I think, the problem, the Dragon, so I actually don't think their rusterwas bad and I think they just lost the plot, so I think they' just gettingmore out of the playrs they're getting yeah so yeah. I think thay'll challengefor the top aid, the dragons which surprised me because at the beginningof you, we all thought after their trial games, aere rubbish, but they'vecome out and but then you know, like I said, they're beating the cowboys thet bit last one kind of Pak, new CA, anley manly, so thyou got to be careful, I mean they've got a soft draw but theyr winning andthat's what theyre got to do and you know don't they look competitive ifthey got a big packer forwards yea. I think what lets them down those stheir back line- I don't thicaus- is good. Lomax is really good player, butI think dufty's two hit miss and Norman guys missing and big gums. Yeahcompletely agree. Ben Humt was in the form his life. So it's a shame that hehas been injured, Jack Bird to come back into the side. This week, aftermissing through suspension, so yeah they're, looking like a team that couldbe, could cause a few upsets this year, but yeah a hundred percent Agra. Ithink the soft draw might be making them look at a little bit better thanthey are at the moment- and I know I looked at ther draw a little bitearlier and it does get a little bit tougher from here, but their defenselooks like it's bit more solid this year and they do have enough talent to shock a few teams, so definitelywatch out for the dragons and finally, the biggest winner of this week's,probably right in Pufthenhausen incredible. We were at the game aspretty awesome. What happened, how for...

...tries- and was it fifteen minutes andeleven minutes Jeez and I thin coming out of this weekend.If you did a POL around the NIL Arican, most would rade him above Todesco we'lltalk about that in a little bit, though, and the stormas both games withadam, hecomes back. They win by forty points, so I think he's coming out. Well, youalready was a superstarb, but I think coming out of this weekend. He islooking like one of the best, if not the best playr in the competition. Whatdo you think of little pappy? I know you're, a big Fan, I think, is justbrilliant. I think he sits new rules. He allhe does is loucher around theball and that's what you want with your half, your half some fullbacks. Youjust want them around the ball all the time. So when the ball comes free,the're there and that's what he did the other night like he didn't really setup the Trice, the brakes O ma, but he's right next to once to breaks a maid andthat's what you want your first car right there, but you know Ye. Also,though, whenever gets to ball, he caused Brisban. All sorts of troublelike you'll, get ten fifteen meters and then hes really fast farst play theball, and then you stuffed once iy get the role on then you're not coming backyeah. Do you think, do you use the best player on the ground on Friday, yeah and think Theyre Forwards? VerThing Nilson was better, I think Christian Murch was better. I mean the forrds.When the Games really yeah. I actually do think Thatis Probaly, nelse's bestgame I'V, seen him playe. He before he came on it was actually kind of closein the middle. Apart from the breakway Tris, they were scoring. The fight inthe middle was actually allright, because Payn hars is playing well. Butthen, when Nelson came on the broncos looked a ben intimidated. Well, it getspassed away, yeah and so then Pappin has comes into the game, because all hedoesnis said befores run around that Gu. The ball so fegetts his hands, freeyou're in trouble, yeah and he's hard to stop. So you know you've really gota but then again Britt it's weet, because presidents had the side to takehim out, but they just didn't yeah. So they're, probably some of the playersof the week right there. Well Nelson Papn Owsan, just another guy. I wantedto talk about for player the week Damiin Cook. I thought he was back tohis best on Good Friday footy. He had a pretty offseason to Everon's admission.Last year, but he had two lime breaks, but they were more than just limebreaks.They woere try to straight through the middle of the rock you just drew andpast. I think one Mister Kody Walker, curring bat who the other one was to,and he also completed forty seven tackles at ninety eight percent. So helooks like he's back to his best, which is pretty scary for OL position of theRabbit Os because he was probably performing it at eighty percent of hisbest level last year, so to think that they could have another gear andDamniin Cook G, getting back to his two Thousndan Eightheen tweanty nineteenbestes frightening for everyone in the competition. I do fear for the Rabbidosthat they're peaking a little bit early, but they might be just that good. Theycould sustain this for the whole season. Also, she oud out to chat towns and whohad three trices and sunk eight from eight goals. I was pretty impressive enfor Matt Burden was good in his debut performance at center. Rabber touchedon it before Papenhausen, so I thought we brought it in last week. The listsegment where I talked down my most hated it and loved well not loved, butteams are like the most in the competition this week. We're going tobe doing our top ten foollbacks, obviously pup in houseands breakoutstart to this year well and the back end o last year is it's raised a lot of conversation aboutwho's, the best foullback in the game and right now we're pretty lickey tohave so many good ones. I was just looking in the sixteen tenhs before itsprobably twelve gun, fullbacks right now, which is pretty crazy, so we'rejust going to run through our individual top ten fullback ranking. Soif you want to go from your starting from temmay starting with ten Yep, gofromtento ly the rest a live time at ten, I got Tommy Te from manl andthat's because he hasn't played yeah Canhe, probably be up higher, but he'snot playing yeah. Then I've got tomponger CAS same reason like Yous,don't know, I'm not sure about ponger. Still, I don't know. If he's a lot ofhype, or is that good but says down the...

...bottom, then I've got the Cambra fullback Chansyeah. Then I got a smoky and it's probably bise, because the Tigers butDan Larry, I think he looks good. You know. He's young he's only played fourgames, but he looks dangerous every time he gets the ball. He looksdangerous. I mean the problem. The onlything wrong with him is small. Yeahsix are got delland, Edwards who's just safe. I mean he's nothing special buty,safe yeah, then you got Guttherson and gatherson really is just all sheerenergy. I mean he's, not yeah. I don't think there's a lot of school there. Ithink he just gives a hundred and twenty percent every week and is iteverywhere. Then I've got at s from the warwsbecause he's the rod he's. Probably I think he probably you could av if hewas behind the same pack of forwards as papping a house ind TODESCO probaly thebest in go because he's dynamint, then you got Le Trall Mitchell TONESCO andI've got pap in house and headed to Thisco, because I think it's a tough ofthe coin between both of them. But I think I just like peppin house a betterbecause he's just, I think, he's more dangerous. Teddy Teddy plays a verystrong game. Very brute strength, like is fast and brute strength. Hes, youknow, he's something like a hundred killos or something yeah. So it's a bigforward. They can run fast, wheres Papahouson, I small, but he just poppesup everyoo and the Keito that really, when you look at those Papin Auzon,TODESCO TS and Gutherson they're, always around the ball, litral Mitchas a bit different. Hedrifts in an out of the game, but he plays a different style. You know he'smore of a big five, eight yeah, but those other guys they're veryallsimilar, but yeah n. As you said, we're pretty Lucky Hiu and that's a prettygood list and they're all playing similar and thenumerals all suiten yeah y agree yeah just quickly before we move on to mytop ten, I wanted to ask you: You've got papen Hous, an one. Does that meanHeeis your new southwales fall back or do you think the origin game is a bitdifferent in Soeskoi? Think today's Co will play because he's Ye H. It'sorigin is a bit of a brutal game in the first forty minutes, issize so you'dput to Descoin, and then you have pap in Houson off the bench mhan he couldplay anyway, five eit he could play win and he could play fullback, but I thinkYoue bring hing on once or forward to that, a bit of damage N. that's what eSup was like last year. was they really like? That spark was n thatlast game with Harry grant with em Queens Lane they had the spark where'stheur guys just you know, but then I mean the other thing. I'd stand back asa problem new self wells. Last year we picked too far too many people out ofposition, and so they don't Joll but yeah and I'd still have to Disco Bo thpeppin House yeah shout out to Haret Gran crever Johns, who chas in the melnFlyer hoks US chatting girls on Friday, Niggudon Harigram was actually giventhe lad stuff and he was too busy with his girl. But I fair enough IGH, my topten list. It's a little bit different fairly similar, though number town'mgoing Brimson. I think, he's a little bit more inconsistent than some of theguys up the top her, but on his day he can be a top fivefool back in the COMPnine I've got deall in Nevewids Yeh, pretty similar to you. I think it'sjust a fairly stockstander most weeks, he'll give you a seven eight out of tenperformance. Rarely see it nine or ten. Out of him, though, but he's a verygood player aid ive gone with Shans. I think he is one of the best defensivefullbacks in the competition. However, I do think that's a little bit lessimportant in the last couple years. I think that was really important liketwo thousandand, sixteen seven and eighteen, but seems you seem to see theless like fullback stops at the moment, but I think he's really good at that.Similar to Goltheson thing he's a bit less skilful, but just gives everythinghe's got for the green machine. Seven I'm gone Pongar Yeah. We haven't seenhim in two thousand and twenty one yet, but I think on his days still very good.I think he is similar to Roger a little bit less, not as strong as Roger doesn't break asmany tackles, but he's got a bit more...

...of a passing game, so yeah I've got himdown at seven, but is similar sort of Playda roder. I think six UV on thetrail, which is debatably too low, but I've sent the top five's too good.Personally, but yeah he's a very good ball player. I would be interested tosee how he went in a team that wasn't so dominant in attack because usuallyhes only required on the last play, and he just does the block play pasts,becaus very good. At that s can't argue five ive gone, Winh Tommy t yeah. I'veprobably got him lower than he could be just because he never body plays, but Ithink when he's there, we saw it at the Satof last years right up there withthe very best for I've gone with the Cothison. I think out the side of thisyear, fided this list he'd be down at eight or nine, but he's had a sentationsensational start to the year, completely love how much effort andenergy he brings reminds me of like this sounds outrageous, but it remindsme of Tirst and how ye obviously therson's a lot better play thanGotherson, but he just brings everything to the game he's alwayssomehow there they make a line, break who's, chasing him down. It's Gultho,like he's just incredible that kind of stuff Thad I've got rojar and a hundredpercent agree with what you said about Roger. I think if he was playing it abit in a better team with more strike power around him, he would be the bestbfolback in the competition, but he's still pretty body good. At number.Three number two: I've Gone Pappy IV foit Tady first, I just had to do it, like you said it's a flicking coin,really both sensational players, both probably in the top fibe in our gamecurrently. But for me the way I think about it is, I think, if they playedfor midtableside, I think teddy would be the better player I think,pupenhouse and thrives on playing for the Best Tim n. The competition so doesTeddy. So it's hard to, we haven't seen teddy play for an average team forthree or four years. So I is hard to make that argument, but I just think,like we saw on Friday night realistically, Pappenhousens impact wasfinishing off lime breaks. He wasn't necessarily creating them himself whereteddy last night, he grabs the ball in the midhe just runs through theforwards and he scores so yeah. For me, I'm just going Teddy, but I dounderstand it's a close one, but it's an interesting conversation. It's crazy!How full backs have changed since I was younger, like back in Lick, twothousand and twelve Irik, and you were lucky to have five good fooll bags. Lik,it's completely changed right now, there's arguably less halfbacks and fullbacks, but yeah.That's a weird, weird conversation. For Another Day, I've also asked you foryour top five fullbacks. Ever obviously I'd like to contribute to this, but I'mreally only watched two aures, I guess of forty, so I don't think I cancontribute so I just wanted to have an in see your insod. I know it's a prettybloody, vague and open question best full backs of all time, but talking through you thinking h it'shard. I mean it's really an interesting positionbecause I' Now a lot lot of them stand out over time, but obviously billyslater. I thinkis the best you' suffer from recency in your memory.Yeah like you go well, but no, I think he was pretty dynamic and he did charthe way I awas look at it. Did they change the game and what you just said,then the fullbacks changes and slightly changed it. You know I actually think Brito Hogson is not in my top five, butwhen he was under sheens he changed the way a fullback play and became a ballplayer. Then locky is started becoming a ball player and then you went fromthat into this ballplayer speed, which slaver is so. He really changed. Thegame. Ut number two agot, Graham Langlans,who was one of the original mortals? You know he played in the styies partof the great sint George Euro. I saw him, you know, wate saw him liveand he was a dynamic player, but you know he had a big sidestep. They playeddifferent games but t very strong defender. Then the third was Gary Jack Whos Tigerin the s and they always again say that Jack Changed the game that he was a really a bit like utherson. You know hewould get the ball and his strength was.

He would just run a d like he wouldpick up the ball and just charge in the fordpack, and this is back in the dayswhen forl based didnt do that yeah he would just rive into them and he wassafe. I mean th. I was think, there's a really sad thing for Gar Jacket, he'sthe guy that droped the ball. He ey nine grand fine up until then. He wassafe as safe, and you know so. He was good. I got another guy that probablyonly older people like me, would remember his gray Meedi in the sevensometimes langlands played for Manley. He took over fromLanglans. He was a again a dynamic ball play big, solid guy. Look like a onmebat. That was his name, but he was big very much like Gat Gary Jacking offthat hear a big. They were big, solid, full, but IEV heard, and then then I've got toney's go. Ithink, to let's go. I thought about this long. I thought do put lock yeurin there, but I see Lockyer Moreas, a five, eight yeah and then suppose you' have to pull outall your your memories, but you know, like I think, today'Sco, but you knowthere's some great full backs, but they sort of you know likelongevities, I had thingin reg leap, so they come an going. I mean there's guyslike Russell fairfacts at still play for the roosters and the seventies hewas. He was dynamic. There was a tid good one from Sait George. I meanthere's just this huge list of play Great Brent or for Canery, but they'rethe ones. I remember, and I mean edian langlage dominatedinternational level before state of Orge an then Jack was new self wellsfoollback for yous and into tisgoing slater. So I think that would be myleast very interesting, actually haven'theard of your fourth guy interesting wellhe wo, mainly Ron fourpermisshops within the aright. Moving on enough talk aboutfull baks moving onto yeah rolling tope predictions. Obviously we discuss thisweek to week. I've got dad's top apes season. preseason prediction: Hisrecords is only rocking one change. Do you want to talk us through that? Well,at the beginning, I had saus first see no reason to change hat I in a sous odynamic. I got Melbourne Two not sure about whether Melbourne's too,are still not sure about Melbourne. I think they're really good butinteresting on their two big games. They lost true and I think that's wherethey Miss Cam Smith, Game Smith. I mean mansters a really good player, but he'snot a don't if his good game managers be crazy, yeah, whereas Smith wouldslow games down and get it done so. But I still have Melbourne to Penrith, havereally surprised me they're, just as good as last Tou. I thought ther mightbe a little bit off the pace. Camera fourth still got them there.Then I got paramete, who I think a good, but not great. You know they're betterthan the teams they play, but they're, not a thirt, same class and but theyre.Having said that, you know: Paramati beat Melbourne yeaexactly, you gotristers still got the Goald coast had the Tigers in there, but after watchingthem- and I think I'd put Cronalarin- I think crrale actually looked prettygood. You know that would be my et Newcastle.I know I think they were lucky to get their last year. It's just one of thoseweird drawers that they got in there, but they've already lost two games andyou know they're the most vunderable of the Tobbait Gold Coast. I think they'rea bit slow, but I think they're going to get better as you guys on mean theirFord Pack, irs dynamic, can ijust, think gold, coastwill start rolling, so yeah. I think I still think golcoascould be a team that really shakes a premeship if they get their acttogether. Yeah hundred cent agree right now, they're playing basically well. Ithink fogity got injured on Saturday and Ashtailis not playing and stillputting up good performances with backup, Harb so yeah. I completelyagree with that Tino and for feeder of being ridiculous. Looking at my not toomany changes this week, because most of the favorites did win, so not manyopinions change, but I've still got stormtop rabbios. Second Petes Thidparamout of fourth raners and fifth, I've got the roosters up from seventhto six. I just think they showed me...

...that they coan still be a really goodteam without Curi or lucky land I'v got so that's shuffled the time down toseventh, no particular reason. Just because I lifted the roosters and theneighth. I think anyone could take this eight spot. I mhank you got the SharksTigers, dragons, even the night still could get it. It's going to be reallyinteresting to see you who does get it. I think, ultimately, that's note. Goingt have too much impact on finals, because they're like were going to haveto play paramater or camera, so I don't think Youre winning that game. But atthe moment I've got the sharks in there. I did have the Tigers kind of fogotabout canalacum can't lie. I just think right now the Tigers look like one ofthe more solid teams around that spot teams like thenight, O too inconsistentand unpredictable, where I'm hoping the Tigers just beat the teens. They haveto beat this yearv ever knover. The tipes man, interesting about thet group,plays got teams, Gollcoast Tigers or the worries I've heard about the war,worryes they're all teams on the way up, yeah exactsy. They are teams thatprobably won't shake it this year, be next, you they shake it and then youlook at the roosters. I still reckon the roosters. They got big problems.You Got Moris the Morrse boys eventually going to retire and its likewho's going to replace them. FRENDENT is meant to be retiring this week, sothey're starting to lose players out of that squad. Wod Carderand, you got tothink he's not coming back yeah, so they got some problems and thenthey' got a bunch of young players that you know that's a problem: youngplayers they take a few years to get consistent, yeah exactly so they'regoing to be exposed. I think so yeah. I think it's you know back to theoriginal conversation about where we are. I think. Actually there are abunch of teams who are on the way up. It's just they'R, not ready yet they're,probably a year two years away. Yeah actually think it's a very excitingtime right now, like that, there's so many teaps that can make the A it'sreally only three or four teams that we can rule out and then pretty mucheveryone else could be there. I would lit have to say I keep onestimating thewarries there's the prise on week after week they were a little bitdisappointing last night, but the roostes were too good. I think theywould be pretty interesting if Cambra finished fifth and the warriors cameeighth because warriors have been camera in the last two times, they'veplayed at camera, so Thato'd be, I mean nteresting a little match up there, butyeah we've both got the sharks in at eighth right now they did wallop thecowboys, but not sure, if that's too hard at the moment, but we'll see itnext Sunday, like I don'Na cat count legs and for them and ts a you know,it's all do the injuries I mean. If you know, if you look at it, monster gotinjured for Melbourne. If litral Mitchell got injured for Sauuseclearigats in Gi for Penrith, they all fall apart. Yeah hundred you know, Ithink I think that's the thing we you know it's whos gets the least to me.You know what you said before: Newcasers a seasons in a mess nowbecause interest yeap, so you only need one or two bad games, wee lose three orfour players and any of those teams, you know, said WHO's going to hang inthere, the longest yeap Y, a no completely agree. Injuries are, sadlysuch a big part of the game, I'm all right. Moving on to our week, fivepredictions around five predictions, obviously rounfor hasn't even finishedse fes a little bit weird to be doing, but looking at our short bets of the week,I can't lie right now: There's a Tanthian of shor beds to pick from because, as wetalked about before that top four top five are so good you're looking at thestorm as to bi, they are paying a dollar for. So I think the Punte agreesof you, I'm actually, who did I go with I've forgottn? Who I've gone with? Ohyeah, I went the eels they're playing the dragons, so it's argubly a bullsypeek for me, it' evigit it! No! This is my that's my short bet: Theyre dollar,thirty, four yeah. I woas think the ails AFE bank west against a bottom ateteam. I don't think they lose unless there's some sort of wild injuries thisafternoon, hopefully not for their sake. Hopefully yes, for our sake, they arepaying all thirty for the dragons are in good form, but Ben Hunts it out.It's a bank west. I just don't think the EELS lose to be honest but yeah.That's the other games like the Rabbit Os should be the broncos. Somethingwould have to go crazy wrong there,...

...allright moving on to the upsete of theweek. This is a tough one to pick at the moment, as I mentioned like thisWeik Ga don't think there was a single upset unless the mighty tiges get upthe tonight, who are you looking at you've, got the sharks in to beat theroosters well Sha o round. I said Sharkser team. That's is surprisingeveryone, because they've they're right, like the they're, an interesting stage,they've got what they've done. I think Jon Mors has done a good job, they're,an aging roster that he's got rid of their like feeder and all that and notplaying. First Groon yeah and he's turned t over to the young players andthey're. Very fortunate sharks got a bunch of young kids coming through.They look pretty dynamic and the problem with Yo, as we saw with theroosters last week against souse they're, not battle Hardin, the bigteams, because they're winning so soft. The problem for them is if they come upa team that can go the distance with thim they'l be vunerable because they'just not used to it. So I regon the shark. So they got a pretty bad recordagainst the roosters, but you know trolin there. I tell you what theshocks everyone talks about: The penrith crobof youngsters. If theshocks kept Carl flanning in and Jaden Brailey they've had a pretty goodgeneration of youngsters come through. Almost, I think over half of Thei team,home ground and obviously seawn Johnson's out. That's not phasing themat the moment. They've got some fords to come back and Otelkai, don't thinknioler played on Saturday and I think royse hunt so that'll just add to their,for wit, oilands, playing the bestes plane, yeah, exactly a towns andlooking good conof tracy he's just playing any position. They need and he's doing bloody. Well, so you could be on to one there. I've gone, I wasn'treally sure with either the Masin is an upset, so it's tough and I'll probablytip them and get them wrong like I did this week, but I'm going n the Rades tobe penrith. It's a tough one, just it's tough totip against penrith that penrith it any week, but the riters did Wen prettycomfortably against the twins, which I think was an impressive win for them.After a disappointing loss to the warrioers, penrith is still withoutCoruso and Edward, so they're ever going to be weak. It's guess you couldargue it's during this period. I think the raiders have a really good forwardpack right now, the pen Penan for packs playing great but the if you looked atthem on paper, you'd pick the Rades forwd pack, so if they can beat them inthe middle, maybe clear in low, I don't get to pay the game on their terms asmuch a they like. Another upset, I'm interested in now this isisn't Roght,because we've been talking about how bad the nights season is looking now,but I'm actually gone the night o The Times. Once again, I don't know if Ifully believe in either these upsets. But if I had to pick one of these wouldbe the toipick are the tines of potentially looking at playing withoutashtailor or Jama fogity, so neither of their darning halves. The nightsprobably get pung aback and I just think even though they've got thoseinjuries, they still got a good forwrd pack. They've got the Sifedi BoysBraylo's playing really well right. Now, no peece hurts for sure tbut kind ofwats 't back. Am You mate yeah, but he's not Eo Havto Yeaho that there areand an a lot o pot lots of pieces, big WOB for those couts yeah they're in aspot of botter. But Look I can't lie picking in upsetting NRO right now:Ecausei man, you think about two years ago. Peace got injured and they wentfrom think theywre in the top foor and didn't Mak gay yeah. It's true! It'strue! So yeah that's! But it's tough to pick an upsete right now, becausethere'se top teams are so good, O yeah. But I think that's a thing there. Yougot to focus on the like. When you look at the top six teams, any of thoseteams Coul win the premission yeah, it's a bit weird. You know you got thebattle for the top aches difficult, but the battle for the PREMIR ship is wineopen yeah? It's not it's like. If you look at it once o sixteen yeah, we knowthere's a good bracket and mid bracket and a bad bracket, but that happens.wheres shers and, like you said, it's anowide, open race in that spot forseventh and eighth. That race, Fos, Sevenh and eighth is about seven teams,O good gir in there. So I don't really know wher ther's Chae, where this chatscome from. So I know some people look for Click Bait in the media, so theyre,probably just you know you could aet...

Whi to thenrill. Have this drawforeastern yeah, it's not great schetly and I do think scheduling should be waymore flexible. I know there, stadiums, planning, tickets, planning, niverteams, AE, go oan, you're done this, drawing the off season. You know. Eastis a big weekend where people watch football. Why would you have the drawthat you had? I mean you look at all those games, the only one would bemanly. You might have thought manleywe better this sheet, but the other oneaslike canory and m shoot like isn't that a special game thoug? Isn't that a GoodFriday yeah? But I think you just sometimes got it wer. You C you gottago now like. Why? Wouldn't you played like Steto Souson roosters last week?Why don't you play Sessan rooters this week a and it's till big game atMelbourne so that each one of your stadiums, each one of your cities, hasgot big crowds yeah? I do think the MELMUMBER has been gang. Was TV rating hungry that one I thin thatWud just looking for a massive, a massive writing on a Friday night,because that was Neverev going to be good in anyone's eyes and preseason.But that's Al e've got for the podcast today pleasure having you on well Poe,ry Lok to get you on. You know once a month or whatever you are very busy.Man just been out out wrestling pigs n in the backyard chopping trees downlike a true man, but yeah it's been very fun channed about. I think we'vedone some good analysis today to so I'm waiting for the fireing call fromChanemon or Fox borts. I think we wear over one. We do have a league unlimitedjournalist in our house, but satytes. Neither of this doest, an y justWANTNTO, be involved. Yeah like I think that could be a big thing for thepodcast getting a league. Unlimited jounral SOM, that's okay! Lik! Don'tworry about me! But yeah. We've talked a lot. We' talked Boun a lot of things,we'v discussed where the PAP is the best playr in the world and it's a game.Log Bit. Rugbi Lega loves ACROSSIS IO, you know, there's always I jus cross. I butis I acrossabsolutely not so yeah same time same place next week. Thanks for joining medad thank, I tes. Think O you ches go tags, see yeah.

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