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Episode 50 · 2 years ago

NFL Top 100 & NFL Fantasy RB Breakouts, Sleepers and Busts - Episode 49

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Pilch once again joins the show to discuss which running backs outside the top 15 have high upside, should be avoided or have a high floor for the 2020 NFL Fantasy season. The boys also discuss the NFL Top 100 list and suggest a few changes they would make in their lists.

Cheese settle. Welcome back to the on the ball podcast. This is episode forty nine of the show, once again joined by Christian pilter. How are we, mate? Yeah, not bad at all, mate. Hey, you yeah, pretty well actually, once again, the weather's not too bad. So I'm outside recording. If you would have not been able to see that by now and you shoot, but if you're listening, just a bit of context into my life. I'm outside. I don't go outside too often these days. What we're not allowed to, are we? But thought I'd get out for this little conversation. How are you going there? That's so, that's the more important thing. May Yeah, as good as as good as we can be going. Obviously we can't really do much at the moment, but getting through, getting through it or right. A bit of an eyebrows that I see the mate, which is a don't know what you're talking about, their mate. A little bit embarrassing there, but that's right. So today. Hey, I've been wanting to talk about this for a few weeks because I don't know why I really like it, but the NFL top one hundred is a list that the players vote on and they release one to a hundred. Well, this year was like one, two hundred and ten. It was a bit weird, but it's basically one to a hundred. They nominate who they think of the best players in the league and you end up with a list of all the league's best players, and it's bucks pretty interesting debates. It's supposed to be based on the last season played, so the two thousand and nineteen NFL season, but often historical biases clearly take place, and today we're going to talk about people who we think are rated too high or two loans, etc. I can't lie. I used to go by this list religiously, like genuinely thought it was a factual list, like if you were third in the cornerback rankings, you were the third quarterback in the league. But as I've followed the league more over the last two seasons, I've begun to realize that it's not the most accurate thing. So that's what we're going to explore today and then after this, after that we're going to talk about running back NFL fantasy running back ruffies bolters, like we did with the quarterbacks the other week. Going to talk about a few players who might not get picked up in the first two rounds but you know, might be solid options later in the draft or they might save you if you know, forget a running back or maybe people to look out for on the waivers. So we'll get to that after this. But to start us off, we're going to talk about the NFL top one hundred. So I reckon we could just go big early. So with what it up into three sections. We're talking about someone in the top twenty, someone from twenty to fifty, all around that mid tier, and then someone at the back end of the list. So join a start us off me. Who Have you got lined up in the top twenty that you would like to talk about their selection? Yeah, well, I think people might still be clinging on to a bit with this one, but I'm sure a lot of people will admit that Tom Brady has absolutely no right to be still fourteen. One clear example with it was Aaron Rodgers had had more yards, more touchdowns, more win less interceptions, which the every single stat you can think of, and he was rated lower than him. So that's I think it's as I think more surprising with this one is Deshaun Watson. But yeah, and even even like Duck Prescott way down at I think he was forty or fifty. But yeah, I think fourteens just outrageous for Brady. It's on. They're obviously still living off, living off the past a bit for the few of these selections. Yeah, that's kind of the general theme of today's episode, I think. I don't know about your other selections, but a lot of mine people being rated below like former legends of the game. Will they still our legends? You don't really stop becoming a legend, but you know what I mean. They out of their prime, and it was that the main one that picked you off in that top twenty also. We were talking about it a bit last night. Also, I didn't think deandre Hopkins. He clearly had a worse season than he did the previous season, yet he was rated like four spots higher up at number seven. So it didn't really see how that worked there. But yeah, I felt Brady Brady was more outrageous. Yeah, I didn't mind the Hopkins one, though, because I still think he's in the top three wide receivers and which he was in the list. So I get...

...it's a bit weird that he increased position, but I didn't mind it. Yeah, in terms of the quarterbacks, even rodgers over Deshaun Watson. I didn't really write that, to be honest. I don't have the starts here because this is not my selected one, but just from following the League, I thought Deshaun Watson was a lot better. Singlehandedly carried his side to the playoffs, where Rogers had a although he's famously doesn't have many receivers around him, he had a fairly good team, one of the better running backs, one of the better wide receivers, a great much better defense. Yeah, yeah, we're Deshaun Watson, although he had deandre Hopkins, who was dealing with nothing and still got into the playoffs and did really well. I also think Nick Bosa. I know there's a lot of hype there, but I do think he was a little bit higher as well, but that's just me. But the one I picked is I've got on with the tight ends. Actually, this is not so much the order. I don't mind that Kelsey's are kiddle is above Kelsey, but I don't know how there's an eleven spot discrepancy between them. So if you look at their statistics, Kelsey played so Kelsey's inn eighteen. Kiddle was in its seventh. Kelsey played two more games in kidtle. Kid will had a higher like catch rate, so he caught more of the targets thrown at him. So that's one in kittles column. But Kelsey had over two hundred yards more than him. He averaged more than two yards, two yards more game than kiddle. They had the exact same yards per reception and they had the exact same touchdowns on five on a sorry, Kelsey had more yards per reception. They had the same yards but targets, so very similar stats. They're basically all the same, if not in Kelsey's favor. The only one that is in kittle's favor is the catch ray, and I'm not too sure where they're with out the eleven spot difference there. To be honest, I think our best they should be like right next to each other in the list, if not Kelsey ahead of kittle. I know people are strong in the kid'll camp over Kelsey, but I think with Kelsey statue can't really argue with that. I think you had the fifth most receiving yards or something in the league as a tight end, which is pretty outrageous. People argue that it's just because he's on a good offense. A San Francisco just as good as an offense of Kansas. I know they don't have the star quarterback, but they move up the field so easily and be that actually almost goes against Kelsey's case because there's more targets for my homes to throw too. So he's going to be, you know, not always going to be looking at Kelsey every play, where Garoppolo legit through it to ket kid'll only. So I think once again, I don't know if I think Kelsey should a hundred percent be above him. If I had to vote one way or another, I'd probably go Kelsey over kiddle. But I think to find it eleven spot discrepancy there to have kittle the seventh and Kelsey eighteen when they pretty much had identical stats. If done in Kelsey's favor, I think that was pretty pretty ambitious from them. Yeah, I must, I must submit when I saw that I was pretty surprised as well, a saying kid will all the way up at seventh and then obviously I was. I expected Kelsey to be to be rated above him. But yeah, yes, so I'm not too sure about that one. Yeah, watch it for the top twenty. I also put a bit of a drs on Khalil Max sneaking in at Nineteen, but I'll talk about that one in one of my latest selections. Now in the mid Tier Range, who are you looking at here? There's quite a lot in this one actually, but a lot more like defensive. Well, the ones that are noted. Who did you go with it? Yeah, I've actually gone with Nick Chub. With Hi should be actually got maybe a little bit of a Pod, but I think he's criminally underrated. He was, it was, second in rushing yards, only behind Derrick Henry, and he was behind a pretty putrid offensive line. So he's he's carried that backfield and some of the running backs that he's Thea was rated lower than like Aaron Jones Zeek. I believe Kamara was a couple of spots ahead of him as well, who missed like a few games and clearly had a way worse season than Chub. So yeah, I think thirty four was far too low for Chub. I mean you should have been in the top at least the top five running backs at the bare minimum, and probably definitely into that top thirty range. It's an interesting one because it's kind of I don't have the stats here, but it would be interesting to look at their all purpose like scrimmage yards. So receiving, yes, rushing, because obviously sound like Kamara would have him in that start, you'd imagine. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. Also the touchdowns. Chubb, because of his offense, was so much worse. Yeah, you would have been less parent. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but and they're also saying they would go against him...

...as he's got pretty good wide receivers, so they're likely to be targeted in the touchdown in the red zone as opposed to him. But now I back it. Yeah, I did see him down there, I thought, for the SEC in Russia, leading Russia in the League, that was pretty low. I don't think you'd see that too often. Yeah, but yeah, I think I wonder if the players take this into account. How the team went that guess that's something you could put in those guys that you mentioned faith because, except physique the other two, they went deep into the playoffs. But yeah, I agree with you. It's pretty stiff. Rushing yards is what a running backs meant to be. Meant to do. So if he's the second best out at basically it's pretty pretty up to be down there. Yeah, I'm especially when Aaron Jones is like eighty percent of his case is just touchdowns, yeah, which is like him running five yards or him being lobbed one five yards. So but yeah, not fair enough. The one I picked in this one I've actually just picked a whole position here. I've gone with the outsideline back position. I just don't cop the order at all. Some of the other ones I did note down, though. I thought Jamal Adams was pretty stiff to be that low. I think he was in the S. I think he's a top twenty player in the NFL by just comfortably. Well. Who Else? We got? Trey Davious White, the cornerback from the buffalo bills. I think he was pretty stiff to be put down below Jalen Ramsey, even Richard Sherman actually, and then I think Jimmy Ge, Jimmy Gee, what did you think of his position? I think he yeah, thirty. Do you think that's too high? Too Low? I don't know. I was I was pretty torn on that on because he's I think he's down. His case is pretty much only the fact that he made the Super Bowl. Yeah, I put him down as overrated, like he should be lower. But then I looked at the quarterbacks below him and it was kind of like Kurt cousins was like in the S, tanners was in the S. Yeah, so it's kind of like I guess you could understand it. I think Josh Allen was down at like eighty, which I think was bit stiff. But yeah, yeah, I guess I can see the arguments. Pretty stiff to put a super bowl quarterback too low, but yeah, just thought that one was the interesting pick. But yeah, outside linebacker. So in this mid in this little tier, these are the guys I was interested in. We've got Shaq Barrett, thirty two, the sack winner, and then we've got sedarius Smith of the Green Bay packers. Shack Barrett was in it thirty seconds that airy Smith was in at forty eight, and I think these two were criminally dogged. Jj what was in or Tj what, sorry, was in at twenty five. He also probably too low. But Khalil Mac was at nineteen and Von Miller was at twenty six. If you look at tackles for a loss, Barrett and Smith were both in the top four in the league and Von Miller was actually the second worst out of these blokes in that stat and Von Miller was twenty two spots higher than sad airy Smith and six spots higher than Barrett. Barrett also had over double the sacks per game the Miller did. Von Miller only had eight sacks. Shaq Barrett had nineteen point five s the dairy Smith had thirteen point five. And then in terms of force fum bulls, von Miller didn't have a single force fumble. Shack Barrett had six. So how they've put von Miller Bob Shaq Barrett when Shaq Barrett leads him in every single stat is a little bit beyond me, if I'm honest. So I think Shaq Barrett was pretty stiff to miss out on that top twenty there, if not maybe not necessarily the top twenty, but the other guys above and should be belown. Maybe they'd keep him in that thirty second position, but I think that was pretty Yuck. And there's a dairy Smith. He starts a pretty juice as well. In out of the six plays I did research for, I think he was fourth in sacks. Above him, which Handler Joan, Shack Barrett and TJ. What but he had more than kill El Mac and nineteen and von Miller at twenty six and tackles for loss. As I said before, he was fourth and that start in the whole league, whereas Khalil Mac had nine less than him. He was down at like seventy for the League and Vold Miller was at like forty for the League. So I think lil Mac and von Miller were kind of I don't know, they were their reputations basically gotten so the selection. I think they both had off years last year. I'm not saying they couldn't bounce back this year, but I think Zadarius Smith and Shack Barrett in particular were seriously dog to be that low, and Tj what as well was probably pretty unlucky to be below Khalil Mac. So yeah, that's basically all I wanted to say for those fellows. Yeah, but that does not make a lot of sense at all. They yeah, they definitely cling on to past years with these, with these selections, and it's a joke.

A shack buried in particular, like he genuinely beat he beat Miller and every single start, and then Khalil Mac only beat Shaq Barrett in possessions defend. So I think that means like swats and like tip ons and stuff like that. So very stiff, Shaq Barrett, but I also think is Adars Smith was a bit stiff to be that low. We're not the biggest fans is Adrius Smith, but that's just because he makes so many plays every game that he, you know, has a lot of time to celebrate and stuff. So that's probably more that's really saying how good he is if anything. But yeah, that's it for the midtier. Anyone else? The thought was a bit dodgy in there or not really what? By the way, I know you're a big Dalvin Fan, but what did you think of Dalvin Cook at Twenty One? Oh, yeah, he was another one that I thought Chud probably should have been. Yeah, highland and well, yeah, if you got to mention him before, yeah, saw him there was. I wasn't going to mention it, but I do remember that. Yeah, now moving on to the long range picks. So the guys who they're still obviously high quality players, but down in the list for this one. I know you've got a wide receiver. To be honest, wide receivers where the most controversial picks in this they had Odell Beckham, Larry Fitzgerald, Dk metcalf and your guys. Well, who to be honest, there I don't think any of them are in the same league. There's like a lot of different levels going on there. I went with the defensive ember will come to me in the second what do you think of your man? Yeah, well, as you just said, there's about six wide receivers to choose from that are just in our age spots here, but I've gone with Davante Adams ice. I don't know how this bloke is still like no one cops him as an elite receiver in the media and I don't understand it. Like he's he missed a few games, but if you adjust like his averages per game, he's in that top five wide receiver class easily with your Hopkins, Julio's Tyro Kills, Michael Thomas has, and yet he's all the way down at number fifty four. I just do not understand it at all. Like we're talking. I think he's fourth. I reckon is fourth, I think. Yeah, Julio Thomas and Hopkins. Yeah, great, a great, I reckon. He's the next best tyreck may be more effective than in but that's just because he's rapid. Like yeah, but Adams, Adams is like the only target in his offense, which means he cops all the attention from opposition corners. Bear the fact that he's within like ten or fifteen spots to to our Larry Fits. It's just it's just our rageous, our rated. He think like Odell Beckham. Isn't he Odell Beckham? My, yeah, he's six or something. It was. I think they were really close, but Beckham was above landry right and landry literally Adam covered. Yeah, yeah, Landry got dogged as well. He's not in the same conversation as Davante Adams, but even him to be below it back at me and dear Fitzgerald's B Yuck. But yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of a yuck about want it Tyler Lockett as well, he was. He was I think it was only three spots above DK metcalf. It's like, yeah, he was way better than back up. Yeah, there's a lot of hype around metcalf. Yeah, I understand the potential because, yeah, massive and fast, but Um, yeah, the not sure how he's in the top hundred players. Yeah, but Adams was absolutely dogged. He himself will be filthy with that list. Yeah, hopefully it's got something. He's going to have to do it again this year as well if the Green Bay packers is going to be any good. Yep, they will. Absolutely no one. Jimmy Graham left. Someone the other day just went down the injured, like Devin funchess or something funcious. Yeah, he's there. Wide Receiver Three. Yeah, so it's Legit, Valda, scantling, lazard and then the Davante. So he's going to be cop and triple teams each week. Yeah, the yeah, good luck to him. He's going to have to do it again if the packers are going to be any good. But hopefully next year he's in the top fifty at least, if not the top thirty. But yeah, it's Pretty UK that he is down there. Yeah, I don't get it. A hundred percent agree with you, I think. In my opinion, here's the fourth or fifth best. I can't think of anyone outside the top three. He's better than him, apart from maybe tyrech. He'll but yeah, that's very strange. Someone else I want to mention before I go on to my but a baker of the Arizona cardinals. He's a safety. He was ranked ninety five, absolute joke. Pretty sure he had the most, second, most tackles or something, most tuckle, I don't even know. I don't know he starts. I didn't do them, but like he is ridicut. To be honest, the safeties in general, I don't know why they were so low. Like Jamal Adams is s, Minka Fitzpatrick was S. I...

...think all of them should be a little bit higher, but that's just that's just me. I'm all right. So defensive ends, my man is miles Garretts, the controversial man who got in a little bit of a scuffle. So the issue with Miles Garrett is he only played ten games because of that suspension. So that right, there is a reason to not have him too high. But the people who are above him, in particular Jj Watt Kalaid campbells, well, only one spot up. So Miles Garrett's eighty, Klai Campbell is seventy nine, Jj what is forty five and Jadeveon clowny is forty one. And then in terms of the statistics, in an average per game, miles Garrett averages the most tackles for a loss out of those four by more than double the next best. He averages the most sacks by more than double that to the next best, and then he is second in force fumbles. So I just don't really know what the old what the old logic there is. It wouldn't surprise me if he was gee came in in about forty and they were like Nah, that's a bad look for us. He got suspended. Let's bump him down. But I can that's it. But now I I guess the ten game thing has to be factored in because although these averages are nice and stuff, you can't be the best player in the season if you only play half of it. But to me. But the thing is jj what played eight games. Jadeveon clowney played thirteen games. So those were the kind of things that annoyed me most about this selection. But yeah, the Jj what thing in particular, for sacks in eight games, for tackles for a lost, one false fumble. I don't know how that's got you in the top fifty through. That's all right. I don't know. And the thing with him, all those being great in the past, with injuries. I don't think he's been good for three years. So I don't know how he's still clinging onto a top fifty spot. Like people who dominated the two thousand and eighteen season, you kind of maybe understand them why they don't want to kick them off the list completely yet. But JJ WHY? I don't know how he's doing that. And then Jadeveon clowney. He plays a little bit of a different position to the rest of them. He's a bit more of a linebacker, so he had like a pretty sure out, a few interceptions and a few like knockdowns and stuff like that. But yeah, just in terms of the stats for a defensive end, I think miles Garrett's pretty pretty stiff to be put below clay Campbell, Jj Watt and even Jadevion clowney. So yeah, that's that's my main men. Yeah, but a back that call as well, miles dallent weapon. Yeah, when you watch Cleveland, like everything, every rush there's it's kind of like as I don't know how to explain it, but when you watch nfl you don't really notice the defensive line unless the commentator is pointed out, because you're just watching the quarterback yeah, but yeah, miles Garrett someone you can't really not notice him, as we'll saying, likes a Darius Smith. You can't go a game without without seeing him. Cause absolute carnage for yeah, that's probably it for the top hundred. I could talk for days about it. There's a lot of guys that have been robbed or over hyped. But yeah, I don't want to be too negative on it because I know it's a player's vote, so there's obviously going to be floors and there's no statistical logic to it or anything like that. But you know, it's just a bit frustrating when these players aren't getting the credit they deserve or getting too much credit. But yeah, I just wanted to touch on that and in an episode, because I really enjoyed the concept of the top one hundred. I don't really rate the execution of it. But so that moves or some unless do you have anything else to know it on the top hundred or John a Roland to the so I will roll on. Will Roll on to fantasy. All Right, so we've got three topics today. We've got people with the highest floors, so meaning then they're the safest picks basically. So we did our running backs, our top fifteen running backs, the other week. If you haven't watched that episode, go give it a watch or listen. So these are those fifteen have been excluded from this chat. Now we're looking at who is the safest of the rest, so they have the highest floor? Who has the highest ceiling, so they have the highest upside, could average the most? And then who should you avoid completely? So our can we start with the floor? Yep, in terms of the floor. So this is a bit tough because there's obviously a group sitting outside that top fifteen that are pretty handy and then there's, you know, pods the rank like sixty that you could go with. But I'll kick us off in terms of the floor. I think we might both have the sky. Leonard Fournett. Yeah, I think he's one of the safe I think he is the safest pick outside that top fifteen. I think you know exactly what you're going to get from him. In the last three years he's been in the top fifteen every single year. So probably arguably stiff to be snubbed outside our top fifteen. That's actually look who dogged him. It was me. I had him down eight teeth peeled. You had him at fifteen. So we had him just on the cusp...

...basically. So he came ninth last year. Twelve, two thousand and eighteen, seven, two thousand and seventeen and then the second half of last year it was fifteen. But yeah, really solid. Always going to give you what a hundred rushing yards, as you like to say? He's probably going to give you two thousand and twenty five attempts a game, if a touchdown, if you're lucky. That's probably the one variable that he would like to accomplish a bit more this year. I don't think he's scored too many last year in a pretty average Jacksonville team. But yeah, just with those pure rushing yards and even a few receptions in PPR league he's likely just going to be pumping out sixteen, seventeen, eighteens every single game and it'll be pretty hard to find a lend Lendon Fournett game where he scores, you know, below twelve or something. so He's a very safe pick, a nice little starter in a in a larger league. We're talking ten men, twelve man. He's a pretty pretty safe guy to have have on your field. Anyone else you want to mention for this or where? You're going to talk about four net as well? Yeah, I had. I had four net written down exactly as you said. You want blocks that are going to lock in two hundred and fifty, three hundred attempts in the season and then any any extra touchdowns or receiving work is just a bonus which which you'll take, but definitely safe or be. Another name I'll throw out who's in a similar situation is David Montgomery from Chicago. He's the only he's going to take all the carries in there in their Backfield, and the bears offense could not be any worse than it was last season if they tried like that. Was that was rock bottom for their offense. So I think you averaged twelve or so points per game. I think thirteen is will be as absolute minimum this season, which you'll get him into that top twenty, at least top twenty five running back range. But yeah, as you said before, Nett, he'll be a lock for a certain amount of yards each game. So it's safe pick and wouldn't mind him as my running back three or four if I'm lucky, in a in a larger league. Yeah, he's a tough one, similar to four net if you're not looking for a starter, it's almost not even a purpose picking him, unless you just want to play it safe for buyers, I guess, because it realistically it would be pretty weird for him him to come out and be like a top fifteen running back, thirty two last year. He's offense. As you said, they're probably going to improve a little bit, but I don't think they're going to get too much better. There are lines improved a tiny bit, but that's about it. He does have easy fixtures. He has the fifth easiest fixtures in the league. But yeah, I don't see him bursting onto the scene. It is your second year in the League, so who knows, natural progression. He might come out being a really good this year. I know he struggled with yards per carry last year, but yeah, he's very safe as well. Another guy I want to mention is devin single terry. I've actually got him in both categories to be honest, but he is now the spinally clear RV one of the buffalo bills, who are going to be a playoff team, if not a super bowl contender. So right there, you've got points. They're not going to be a point scoring machine, but they're going to score enough points to win games. So that's that's touchdowns right there for you. So Frank Gore's gone, who did a lot of the dirty work. So you think singletary is going to do that? He was a pretty prolific pass catcher last year as well. So all that combined, I don't he was twenty four in the second half of last year. I don't really see how he goes backwards now that is the primary runner. I think Gore actually had just more carriers than him last year a game. Yeah, I did. So I can't see how he's going to get worse. And in saying that, I do also think he has quite a high ceiling. If he was twenty four of last year. Now he's the rb one in a team that's going to improve on offense. I don't really see what's stopping him from, you know, pushing that top fifteen, top ten. It would be a huge step for him. It's also second year, so you've got to look at natural progression. I think he was a fairly high draft pick. I'm so. Yeah, I think single arry is a great pickup. Fit In small leagues for Your Bench, but in big leagues is an ar be too. If you can get him there, I think he'll do really well, fairly safe and also as a little bit upside Yep. Do you have anyone else with a high floor that you want to mention? Yeah, but I'll save it for my because he's also okay, my other Pinos. But yeah, all right, single Terry, I write that pick as well. Yeah, hopefully I'm not saying yours. But the final floor man I've got is left bell, just once again, just because he's an out and out ur be one. I don't even know who the are be two is, if I'm honest,...

...frank or they actually signed frank or so, who knows? He could take a few carries away from him. But left bell he was second in two thousand and seventeen with the steers, so he's got good pedigree. Last year he was nineteen. Very consistent all year. Don't think he pumped out any big scores. Averaged fourteen and yeah, I just don't really see a world where it gets worse. I can't think of any reasons why. Maybe Gore takes one or two carries, but even then he's still just outside that top twenty if so. But I've heard a lot of people saying that he was pretty poor last year in terms of actual skills. So if he bounces back to his better shape that he did sit out two thousand and eighteen, so could have been a bit of rust, especially early. So if he comes out a little bit better that jets offense is a little bit improved with Donald, you know, being there for the whole year. Last year missed like five weeks or something. So they should be looking to improve as a team as a whole. To be honest, I don't think he has upside at all, to be honest, but I think he could be around that fifteen to twenty mark. Pretty confident he will be around that mark, to be honest. But yeah, one once again, probably one of those guys if you've got your start as I probably wouldn't even bother picking him up. But yeah, I think he'll be pretty pretty handy. Now onto your man. That's a dual floor and ceiling contender. Yeah, well, I've got him in the in the ceiling category. But Todd, Gurley Rick Todd did early is gay. Yeah, I thought he was a bit stiff to miss out on the top fifteen him in four net we're pretty stiff. I think Curtis dobbed girl in his rankings. But yeah, just based on the fact that he's moving, he's moving teams into a very good offense. I think the Falcons he will be. He's there only decent running back. He'll get all the work and as we saw two, two to three years ago, both those years he was the number one running back in the league in fantasy. So I mean if he if he gets back to those numbers, then you've got yourself an elite running back. So I think I can P PLU sleeping on him a lot, or I can I'll be picking him up in quite a few drafts. Yeah, he would be a pretty, pretty tasty ur be too, if you could manage just now, like a Jonathan Taylor or something on the bench. I really like the idea of a safe, secure beast at our be one and then a couple risks to join him. I think that's a pretty good Combo. But yeah, Todd Gurley's right up there for me and silly he's my second dude. I've got written down here. As you said, absolute start two years ago and last year he looked like he was playing through injury, even though, as you like to say, that he was like the third highest had the third highest snap count of any rams offensive player or something, and no Adams. So yeah, out of every running back in the NFL he was I still do reckon he was kind of playing hurt, but who knows? But yeah, I think moving teams. He was in a very stale offense at the rams. So I think Atlanta will be a good move for him. I was about to say out Atlanta and I was like twenty, is it? Once Italian socker team, once a city in the United States for yeah, Curtis had of it twenty. Second item at Seventeen. You out of it fourteen. But a hundred percent agree. There's a lot of risk involved, but I think he has. So why do you think he has a high floor? Just because the urby one at a fairly good team? Yeah, like, he'll get he'll get the carries, like I don't even know because they've Davonteframan's gone. So He's pretty safe unless he gets him. Yeah, yeah, I back yourself there. I write that, but yeah, I hundred percent agree with that. They also traded their tight end who are usually good td target. So he might be sharing. If you more TD's, they might look to run it in a little bit more then than pass the other guy. I've I've got like ten people here. Someone else with a huge shit way. Who else do you have as a high ceiling to say their names, because I don't want to Steal Yours, because I've got like ten whole girls, my my mom. I've got another name, another couple names who are just completely relocks. Yeah, he's one Taylor. Yep, all right, I'll say so. I've got singletary in here, as I mentioned, someone else who I've got a couple teams actually, who I don't think draft them. Don't draft them, but just wait for the waivers. I reckon, especially in the small league, the Tampa running backs, in the Miami running backs, I think, more so in the big leagues, but I think like...

...in the twelve manors and stuff like that. But I think there could be quite a lot upside to both of those running back groups. But I just want to see the dynamic of at first. So Miami Have Jordan Howard and Matt Breeder. Jordan Howard last year came about thirty as the second running back at Philadelphia and then Matt Breeder was the San Francisco third running back in that weird little committee group, but he did pretty well when he got his chance. So I'd like to see how they go, and I just Miami's a whole because of Miami come out and start scoring a lot of points. They could both be prospects. They probably both count to each other out, so if one takes like seventy percent of the runs, that would be preferred fancy, but we'll see. And then Tampa you're looking at. Ronald Jones is the main guy. Probably wait and see how many snaps Leshan Mccoy takes off him, but if Ronald Jones is having more than half of them, I reckon he could be a pretty nice bench option. They're going to score quite a lot of touchdowns, you'd imagine, and there everyone in the league likes to run in those, you know, two yarders. So I think Ronald Jones, he came thirty five last year in and now they probably going to be well, I don't know if they're going to be improved in terms of points scored, but they'll be a more efficient offense. So he might get a few more runs and stuff, but wait and see, because Le Shan McCoy might take a lot of the runs and then they've got Kashaw and Vaughn, who they drafted in the fourth round, I think. So just sit and wait for those two teams. But I think they have pretty high ceilings. But yeah, John to tell us about Jonathan Taylor? Yeah, could, cause they're yeah, Taylor has insane upside. Basically, if you getting him is your running back for whereby you don't, you don't actually have to start him at the start of the year and then, say, four weeks in, he takes over their Backfield, you've got yourself a genuine top ten prospect there because, as we know, the cults have an instanely good oline and he's just an absolute weapon, as we saw in college, and can catch the ball as well. Obviously the downside is that Marlon Mac takes the carries. Marle Marlon Mack, your man. But let's say in the NFL, all it takes is for Taylor to have like one big run in a game and then the cults will just be like yet he's our man, get him in and he'll just he'll take over the backfield. And we'll probably SEE MARLON MAC end up at the at some some myth team halfway through the year. But yeah, he's yeah, he's pain upside back that and I'm yeah, a hundred percent agree. He was my main man for this topic. As soon as I wrote it down, I was like, Jonathan Taylor. Yeah, elite, upside and everything you said, a hundred percent degree. Yeah, who else you're going to yeah, I was going to. I was going to add another one who I'm not going near this block just because we saw the downside last season. But David Johnson, if he off, if he can, if he can get back to his form two years ago on a new or definitely. Or wait, wait and see, though. Yeah, the thing is you can't. You can't wait and see, because who he's been drafted in like the top twenty five. So, yeah, I don't know if I'd risk. I'm not going near that man, because I'd rather take a risk on a rookie. Yes, I'm so. I'd Rather Jonathan Taylor easy. He's actually my in my avoid category, David Johnson, just because it's that's probably the most unexpect like it's probably the most unpredictable person and all the fans fantasy this year. Like he could be top ten, he could be fifty, like. I've no idea, I've got no logic to put towards it. And also someone else in terms of David Johnson. You should probably if you're going to wait and see with David Johnson, you should also wait and see with you Johnson, because all of a sudden, if they don't rate David Johnson, Duke Johnson could be doing the catching like he was doing last year and taking half the runs. Well, all of a sudden he could be a viable bench option in bigger leagues. Other people have gotten this list. I've got quite a few to be honest, but I think where he most it. Oh yeah, I think he's a very juicy bench option if he started to take more snaps as the Games went on. Last year, I think in the last month he was, you know, taking seventy percent. But once again, big risk involved because Tevin Coleman could go back to like the be one easily and then most it's kind of just stuck there. Just even with what he's doing, he'll still probably do well with his limited snouts, but just physically can't do that well with that little snaps. Melvin Gordon's also someone. He's been a top ten finisher in fantasy in two thousand and eighteen and two thousand and seventeen and last year,...

...in the back half last year he was seven. So he's now moving to a new system. So it's another one where you probably don't really know. You will have to pick him up in the draft. I don't think you'll be able to get Melvin Gordon on the waivers. But yeah, yeah, it's going to be weird with the whole Lindsay Gordon Dynamic, but he was with Ecclo last year who's probably a better running back than filled Lindsay. So we'll see how he goes. He could have bigger up side and then two more guys. This is in big leagues. This this is why I asked you how many running backs would be picked up. These are very long odds. But DJ TJ Yelden the second running back from Buffalo. He was the twenty three running back in two thousand and eighteen and now he's been lifted from our Bethree to Ur be too. So I don't know what his roles going to be, but if he takes you know Frank Gore type role or a role. So when he came twenty three he was arb two to four net so if he's our bet, he could maybe do something similar. So he could be someone to look at. You wouldn't need a draft him, you could get him off the waivers. And then, in terms of a void, I've got David Johnson, as I mentioned. Anyone you want to mention here? Yeah, well, as we said, David Johnson. But my main one for this one, who you definitely won't agree with, but it's Mark Ingram just based on the fact that he's he's thirty one years old coming into this season, he's got more competition. He was. He had like twenty catches on the season and a quarter of them were touchdowns, which is just our rageous. He's not going to be. He's not raving five touchdowns through the air off twenty catches. Again. Yeah, for me, everything, just everything just points for a drop off for me and based on where it's being picked up in that lacktop two thousand and twenty odd range, I just won't be going near that. Obviously, if he falls down to like if no one goes near and then obviously you pick him up. But yeah, I don't hear writer and I agree with you partially. I didn't think you'll avoid in though. I just think, as you said, you just don't pick him up where the ATP like suggest yeah, but that is that thing. Applies with everyone, like even David Johnson. It gets to a probat where you have to pick him up. True, well, it depends. A big league is in like a six man league, you probably wouldn't get to that point. But yeah, the thing with marking. Me finished ten last year, so even if he drops off, it's got to be a pretty big drop off to like. Yeah, completely steer clear of it, but I agree with you that you should be wearing. Probably not pick him as a starter, but definitely he's a good bench option, though, because in such a high scoring team, if nothing, if we get shocked and nothing changes, jk Dobbins just, you know, shares starts with the other dudes, all of a sudden he could be a top fifteen guy again in a great team scoring off to touch it, but a hundred percent agree with you. They're just sit and wait with that one. Now I've got just a New England written down here. I am steering clear of every single running back they have. New England is so unpredictable this year it's almost to the point where you avoid camp just because who knows what's going to happen. But like he's too good to that. But the thing with the running backs, they're not too good to do that. For James White, Sonny Michelle, and they signed last night Lamar Miller, who might not mean much too many people, but in two thousand five, sixteen seventeen he was in the top twenty four rushing yards and he's unfortunately done to ACL's in a row. So who knows, he could come back best form and all of a sudden they've got three running backs sharing. They've got three running backs and a running quarterback and all of a sudden who knows what's going on there. So I would steer clear of every one of them. Sony Michelle is horrifically overrated. James White, he's safe because he gets a lot of PPR points. But Yeah, just with Cam Newton being a running quarterback, I would be very wary of those guys. Anyone else you want to mention? Well, we said we talked about Rahim most he's in a similar boat with Ingram they both have upside, but personally I'll be avoiding them just because there's way too much risk there. Like worst case for most it is he's not even the main guy, which is definitely a viable thing that could happen. I know we bold out, but yeah, yeah, it's true. But for both of them in I don't think they're complete avoids, as we keep saying. It's just a hundred percent relative to the situation. I think they're both pretty handy bench options. But yeah, and then also out avoid. I said this for the quarterbacks, just rookies in general, not completely avoid, as...

...we keep mentioning, but just be really careful. I wouldn't get carried away and going and Pick Jonathan Taylor U from the top ten, like you don't need to do that. A you don't need to do that because other people are going to be too scared to do that. But be you actually don't know what the situation is going to be for them, because this whole covid things probably not going to suit rookies. To be honest. They were saying this. I was listening to the radio the other day and they were like saying it's going to be very tough for Joe Borrow to like learn the playbook, and the same applies for every rookie. They're not going to have many snaps in preseason, they're going to have a limited practice, so they're probably going to lean towards the more experienced guys early. So I would just be Clyde's probably the only one where I'd be interested in taking a risk, but the other guys, I would not pick up any of them as starters. Acre's Jonathan Taylor is by far the best option out of all of them, but acres, I don't even know if I'd pick him up on the bench just because the Los Angeles rams running back things so messy. Who Else we dealing with? Deandre swift probably wouldn't get. He's actually kind of a spicy bench pick up, but he's still be a little bit careful of him. Aj Deal and just another guy. Don't be too bullish on him. JK Dobbins another guy. So yeah, pretty much just any rookie. Just be very careful and don't get caught into the hive. I know a lot of guys, you know, they see the draft, they're like, all this is spicy, let's get him in the first couple rounds of fantasy a. You don't need to do it. Be You shouldn't do it. So yeah, yeah, Scotty. Yes, that's pretty much all I've got. Is there anyone who we haven't talked to? That James Conner. Yeah, so this is I made a little list of the people we voted. So when you guys sent me in your top twenty five s, there's like a second tier of people who got voted it on the top fifteen. I think James Corner is the only or James Conner and cream hunt are the only guys who haven't talked about Hyah, Korean punt has. What your thoughts on them? Cream hunt obviously has massive upside, but the chant does either. I think it's literally it relies on basically Chubb getting injured, which is about a one percent chance. So you can't really I guess they've got a better Oline, but yeah, I like if Chub gets injured, hunt is like straight into a top three running back because he's she basically Chubb's role with pass catching. Yeah, I think Connor. Yeah, I'll make quinols to take him in the first round, but don't, don't do it, Quinn. I did it last year and regretted it. If you're that regretted it ever since. Well, I just I just don't. Is it Camp Ninth Best Oline in the League. Offense shouldn't will improve with Big Ben? Is it tempting at all to your mate will? Obviously we probably should have mentioned him in the upside category, but no, because, yeah, he's gonna be better than last if he gets to the snaps then he'll be good. But I just not sure if he will, just because I don't write him as a like. We're talking. They picked up a rookie running back in the draft. I think they still have jail and some Gayland Samuels. So those guys could easily if connor does don't perform, they could just take his take his role and he just become yeah, but similar, similar to carry on. Unfortunately, when he got injured and Marle Mac actually, when they got injured, the other guys showed stuff. I know Jayles Samuels was pretty bloody good when he played. Benny Snell, the the third guy, was actually all right. They might be like a trey edmonds in there as well. They were pretty handy. And then, similarly for Detroit or testing, the name knowledge now, but tied Jas, guys love played. Yeah, he was pretty good and like both scarborough, I think, odds. Yeah, and Jade Mc kids, even Jady m kids, the other one. But yeah, and then it was the other day Indianapolis. I don't know who are like nih him hines or something. They all did all right when they played, because I was in a pretty big league in something else and I used to pick up those guys off the waves once they're men got injured. So yeah, I think, unfortunately for Connor, I think he'll lose snaps. And Yeah, it's probably not the best peak. There's a lot of other better guys out there who have better ceilings and even better floors. So probably a yeah, stier clear there. YEA, probably should have put him in the avoid actually, when I had connor at l twenty three or something like that, I'm pretty sure Curtis was carrying a weight for our connor rankings. Let me cheer. Yeah, he was. He had him at fifteen, you got him at Twenty Four, item a twenty two. So yeah, yeah,...

...to be honest, I'm marking room at third, at thirteen. So probably should be getting around in it's true. It is true. You say. I just don't think you'll fall off that too much. But yeah, that's pretty much all we've got for you today. Next up we've got the big fifty. I'm slowly hurting in all the videos. So yeah, join us. I'm going to talk about it too much because it's a little bit of a surprise, but very excited for very proud of us for getting to fifty. Will talk about it in the intro. Obviously I'll get around you and stuff in the intro of the fifty episode. But thanks as always for joining me. Mate, my Rose Matt, been a pleasure as always. Yeah, and looking forward to NFL fancy. It's just slowly, as you keep saying, it's creeping in. I think it's almost a month to the day that the season starts. I don't know if it's the twelve or the fourteen actually, but yeah, getting really excited now. So close I can almost feel it. Just praying that, you know, the whole covid situation eases over there and it doesn't get canceled. But I can't lie, it's not looking too great right now. Every day there's like a few guys who either opt out or up put on the COVID list. So yeah, that's all we've got for you today. Thanks for listening.

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