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Episode 22 · 2 years ago

NFL - NFC Predictions 2020 - Episode 21

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Christian and James return to discuss the upcoming NFL season in particular the NFC with Hamish. The boys make their division by division predictions as well as some bold playoff and super bowl hot takes.

Crowd Cheese he settle. Welcome back to the on the ball podcast. Today is episode twenty one of the show. We are talking about a sport that we've talked about before and I'm joined by the same guests who are on that episode. So Christian Pil Char James Kurtis, welcome back. Thank you, may glad to be back. Yeah, thanks, Cork. Yeah, should be good partty, hopefully. Yeah, so we're talking about the same sport and Fl. We love a bit of NFL. US three were mad and fl fantasy players and just love the sport in general. So today we're going to be doing some NFL predictions for the NFC conference. Well, we does really make sense to an FC conference. But yeah, for the NFC, it's probably way too early to make these calls. If we're honest, there's still like three months or something to the kickoff and some of the free agency signings haven't even been completed yet. You still got some guns out on the market like Cam Newton, clowney, Everson Griffin, but it we'll just see what we're thinking for this year and we'll just go team by team. Similar to the AFL and Nur, one would just go team by team, say where we've got them coming, why we think they've gotten better or worse, and so on, so forth. So should we just get straight into it, lads? Yeah, speaking of players on the market, you two Fellas, what what makes you not on the market? That all right, let's let's get into these pretty exactly. So we'll start up top. I went in the never eat soggy wheat picks order, so we'll start with the NFC north. So last year the team you finished on top of the NFC north was the Green Bay packers. They finished with the thirteen and free record. My Boys, where do we? Where do we have the Green Bay packers finishing this year, lads, in the division? Obviously, I'll start that one off. I've actually got them slipping down one spot to second. I think they I think they were lucky to go thirteen and three last year. Had A few close wins, so I can see them losing a few more games. And Yep, I've got them in at second. Aren't that? Last year they relied heavily on Aaron Jones for touchdowns and I can't see him pumping out seventeen again this year. And obviously, in terms of receivers, on offense. They've got one receiver capable of catching a ball and one receiver whose name I know. So I can't see them producing the same level of output is last season. Yeah, what about you, Curtis? I've got them still top in the NFC north. I don't see how. Well. I don't see how anyone's going to catch the margin that they had our last year. Three a three games this superior of the Viking. So I don't see how the Vikings are going to scrape back any of those games. Haven't really lost anyone like and they haven't really gained anything there. Pretty much like the same as last year and I think a rogers will be better than last year because it was the best season. What is it wasn't his worst season. Those just a pretty man season. So yeah, yeah, I'm with you there, Curtis. Pretty much the same reason. I'll still got them in first I don't really think they're going to be better or worse. If...

I'm honest, I think maybe your points were valid, pillage, so I could see them slipping a bit, maybe not notching up the thirteen wins, but they're probably still to reliant on Adams and Jones. But it worked for them last year, so I think it will still work to a certain extent this year. Yeah, and as you said, curtis, I think Rogers will be better this year, potentially them d rafting a QB. Maybe, you know, light of fire, Rogers might want to show how why he's like one of the top five cubis of all time and not just slip away at the back of any end of his career. So they've lost Jimmy Graham, Blake Martin has not nothing special really. And the reason so I've I think they might fall a couple wins, like they might notch up eleven wins or something, but I actually also think the vikings are going to drop themself. Yeah, I agree, all right, hundred percent agree with that as well. If you look at the gains and losses of the Vikings, they don't they haven't picked up. So I went on a great source known as wikipedia. On that, on NFL, like wikipedia thing, they have pretty much all the big signings and stuff, and no one was big enough for the vikings like and none of their pickups were big enough to be mentioned on the wikipedia thing. And I'm talking there's like a hundred and fifty on the wikipedia thing. So it seems as though they haven't gained anyone of note and although most of the players they've lost aren't insanely good, they did lose step on digs, which I think will hurt, and they lost three pieces to their pretty good defense. So I can't see a world where the vikings are better this year. From honest, they don't really have anyone who's young, maybe, apart from Dalvin Cook, who is looking to improve. Like you can't really see kirk cousins improving out of sight this year. Anything, they drafted a few good players that had four picks in the first three rounds, but it's always hard to rely on them straight out of college. And Yeah, for me, I've actually got them dropping so far that I've got them in third in this division, probably one of my more roague calls, but yeah, I've got the bears finishing ahead of them. Part of my reasoning for this is the vikings lost their last four off lost four of their last six matches last season, including the playoff loss, and if you look at the teams the Vikings beat, they didn't really beat anyone of note and they actually had when you calculate the strength of their victory. So you add up the percentage like you work out the average percentage of the teams they beat. They actually had a weaker strength of victory than the bears and the Lions, which is pretty insane considering the lines only beat like three teams. So that kind of suggest that the vikings were a bit of a flat track bully. beat the team's block that they should beat and that was about it. So I've got them in third. Where do you guys have them coming? I have got them in third as well. Actually, I've I think the same as you. I think as well as the packers. They're going to win a couple less games, maybe eight and eight, nine and seven potentially, but I do have them dropping into third as well. Wait, did you say the packers are going to come second? Correct, I'll silly implications. See what a where do you have the Viking is coming, Russell quit? I still got them coming in second. I completely agree with everything you said, but I still I still can't see the bears just jumping ahead of them like, as you said, they beat everyone that they needed to beat last year and I'll see them still doing that this year. And I think, cousins, while I won't get better. You still have a pretty consistent season. The delphin can get even better. So you mean if he has another big year, I don't see why they will drop to the third and I...

...don't see why they would move up to first. So I mean he delta stay stable. They'll probably win a couple less games, but yeah, I think that's it at second. When it's all said and done, fair points. I think you two will agree that this particular division is one of the strongest in the NFL. I disagree. I think that I I think all right, but I think the vikings are still a sniff of the playoffs to spot coming third. Agree. I agree with that. One will go through our wild card teams then. So we'll say who like we think are the better divisions stuff. I actually came into this predictions thinking these ten this is one of the better divisions, but now I've done the gains and losses and stuff and I can part to the other divisions, especially in the NFC, I actually think this is one of the weaker divisions. If I'm honest. I think it's the third best division in the NFC, if I'm honest, above the NFC east, but I think it's worse than the South and the West. Yeah, the way, excuse, insanely strong. So, yeah, the West is probably no doubt the top in the whole NFL, if I'm honest. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I just think the packers and the Vikings will get worse this year. I don't know which division they played last year, but this year they're playing the NFC south, who have the Falcons, buccaneers and saints. The saints are a great team. Falcons and buccaneers probably looking to improve this year. And then the AFC south, which is not the strongest division, but the colts, the Texans, they're all the titans. All three of those are really hard teams to beat. So I definitely think the records of this division in general are going to get worse. Not not the lines. I don't think they will be getting three wins or less this year, but I think the packers and Vikings will struggle to meet the standard they set for themselves last year. So, Pilch, you've clicked baited us here. Mate. You've got your first spot open and we've only got the bears and lines left. So who have you got a number one? Come on, rip the BANDAID off. Well, I certainly don't have the Chicago bears. I think they they have the worst. Like water about here called it curtis. We fucking called it. I think, actually think, while the bears will still be decent, the bears won't be won't be shocking, but I think this is, this is all those lines fans out there, the absolute masses, this is our year. I think the Lions, if not sixteen, and I at least thirteen wins, can you got a day, will wrack up the most yards, most touchdowns. Matt Stafford the same, because he's back from his broken back, and all the all the young players are just are going to break out. So you boys may think it's a it's an outrageous call, but I'm sticking with I'm sticking with it and we'll see in six months time. May How I only I didn't even care about the call if you could justify it. And you've just gone ahead and absolutely cooked yourself over by saying, suggesting they could go from three and thirteen to sixteen, and I you've lost all credibility and quite I think. I think that was the stiffest three and thirteen of all time. We were very tempted to kick you, father. We were robbed by them is on a round at least three occasions and our quarterback broke his back halfway through the season, so obviously we weren't going to win a game after that. Yeah, but going three wins to thirteen in one season, how many? How many wins did the did San Francisco have in two thousand and eighteen? Weird like seven may had. We did have it. So it's been it's been done before. It's been done before and it'll be done again. I don't actually know if it has, but that is an outrageous...

...cool or whatever. And I just like to point out the kind of Fan pilches. He's just said our and we for the lines. Yet he called the Green Bay packers my boys, who were a severe division rival. So that's just the kind of a bit of insight into the kind of Fan pilches. That's right. I'll I'll definitely say the lines are improving this year. As you said, bread great three wins. Last year it was very stiff. They actually were quite impressive in the opening month and then obviously staff had got injured and the backup qb's couldn't really get the job done. Also, their main running back was injured from about round for or something, I don't know. Pretty early on there are I think the carry on swift transition will be unreal as well. I wouldn't go that far, but I think it will be an improvement on last year where which that stages they were using like full string running backs the JD mcause. Yeah, so the if you look at the gains and losses, they they've only lost an old lineman and Diaris Sleigh, and also you could argue that diary of slaves is kind of past his prime but still a great quarterback. But then they've gone ahead and replaced him with Jamie Collins and Danny Shelton of the Patriots. So they're obviously star players if they're coming from the Patriots defense styles of the down. Yeah, but I who's a great oh Lineman, and they've picked up desmont truth on, who is the quarterback to go with their third right their third draft pick, not third draft pick, like the third pick off the draft, Jeffa COUDA. So they definitely will improve. I don't know, it's hard to put a number on how many wins they'll get. I can't see them picking up more than one win from the divisional matches, if I'm honest, out of those six matches against the packers, Vikings bears that they're very tough games. May that is outrageous. One Hand from six, yeah, they went at free from sixteen last and then against the NFC south, similarly, good luck to beating the Falcon's buccaneers or saints. So I'll give them one at one out of four there. And then the AFC south. I'll give them a few wins there. I'll give them two or three. So I find it hard to see them winning more than six or seven matches, if I'm serious. But I definitely think they would improve and it's hard to say really they're a bit of an unknown quantity with staff at being out for most of last year. So that means you've got the bears and fourth, Curtis, who do you have in third? So I've got the bears in third and the lies and force. So I completely agree for much every same. You can the same order as last year. Yep, YEP, identical. Completely agrees everything you said about the lines. Don't feel like there's much to add, to be honest. I think they will be better than last year, but not dramatically, and I see them, we'd about five to six games. And then the bears. The bears is a hard one for me, to be honest, and I think found it really hard to choose between them finishing second or third. Obviously they've got a beast day that pretty much to perform as well as expected last year, but I reckon I'll bounce back this year and I had probably the most under performing Qb last year in trubisky. People were hyping this Maybia as MVP prospect after twenty eighteen, but yeah, last year was an absolute dis grace. So that's why I find it real hard. Will see what kind of Tru Bisci we get this year and we'll see where the bears finished, but I feel like that third, marginally, but there's a definite chance they could finish second and who knows, maybe surprises...

...and coming first. I think that's a prats big cool, but I actually don't mind, given the fact that I agree with you that the packers and Vikings will be a bit worse this year. Well, lot of you do expecting from the bears offense. I'll make well, apart from apart from absolute horshit. Apart from that, true Bisky was Ted as a potential mvt prospect between ninety and had arguably the worst season you can see from someone who's tadded as highly as that. So he even gets to, you know, five percent, ten percent better than last year. He's he's right. I mean they're genuine chance to I thinks, at least second. Yeah, I've got them in second. They've made some good signings. Haven't really lost anyone who's too key. As you mentioned, Pillach, their struggle is in attack and the only players have lost have been on the defensive side of the ball. They've signed Ted Gin Jr, who's bit of a journeyman but he's always been a great wide receiver, Jimmy Graham at times can be a good tight ends and Nick foles will probably add a bit of competition to true. Biscay follows entry. Biscay had pretty average last seasons, but if you looked at two years ago, both were in really good form and highly touted quarterbacks. And then they're voted Robert Quinn from the Dallas cowboys to line up next to kill Il Mac, which is a pretty scary prospect. The reason I've got them in second is they went a nate last year and they were crap last year, like the amount of times you watch the bears and you'll just like they can't move the ball, this is so stupid, like it's just rubbish to watch. But they still went eight nate. So with my logic that the vikings are going to get worse and they went ten six last year, I can't really based on that that logic, it's hard to put the bears below the Vikings. So I don't think the bears. I think the bears will be one of the worst teams to come second in a division in the NFL next year. But I do have them coming in second. But yeah, as you were saying, Pillach, the big question is how the offense performs. They're going to start. They're going to need to put up more than like fifteen points a game, which is basically what they were doing last year. So yeah, tough division to predict, though, as we are all three of US had different orders. But yeah, it's going to be an interesting one to follow. I just want to mention this has got nothing to do with NFL, but you have s s on right now and Amandas just became the first fight of all time to come on defend belts in two different weight divisions. So arguably she just became the goat of MMA. But Anyway, shout out to Amanda. Yeah, good, good, good for you from her. So that's it for the NC north. The end of you want to say anything else before we move on to the East? Now one more good. It's go to this. Hey, let's head to the east. It's said today. Just one thing, Everson Griffin. He's a Vikings Defensive Lineman and he's like one of the best d linemen in in the league. So he's still free agent. So if he goes somewhere else other than the Vikings, that's further reason for the Vikings to drop it. Yeah, well, head to weill had to never eat, so we're down to eat. We'll go nfce east. Will start with the team who won this division last year. It was probably the worst division in the league last year, I think. Am I wrong? Insane? Now, absolutely correct. Basically, a cowboys and eagles were basically just dog fighting to get the playoff spot, but neither probably deserved it realistically. So we'll go the Philadelphia Eagles. I've actually got them in first again. It's a big shout. I know...

...everyone's high on the Cowboys Bandwagon, but what I have to pose to everyone who's saying this is what where have the cowboys actually improved? Like, yeah, sick. They drafted CD lamb. Good on them. They were already like an elite attack at like attacking team. They added a D Lineman, but they lost Robert Quinn, so that's like a one hundred and forty one. They've Lost Byron Jones. They've Lost Jason Witten who at times last year, is really crucial to them. They've Lost Travis Frederick, WHO's Wan being one of the best centers in the NFL in the last ten years. So, yeah, I see it. The appeal to them there are there sexy team, if I can't if I can say that, but for me I don't really see what they're improving on on last year. I guess you could argue the new coach could add a little bit of pizzazz to the cowboys attacking schemes, but I think that might take a little a little while before Mike McCarthy's game style is shown in the team's performances. And Yeah, they also have a tough draw. They have to play the NFC west, which is arguably the best division in the League, and then they've got the AFC north, who have the Ravens, steelers and Browns, who are all three pretty tough teams. So yeah, I've gotten the eagles above the cowboys. The Eagles, they're lost quite a few players, but no one really of note. Like they lost Nelson Aggalore, who was like a fourth string wide receiver, Jordan Howard, and they added to pretty good cornerbacks and Rob Colemon and diarist Sleigh, which was a major issue for the eagles last year. Last year they finished above the cowboys and their whole receiving call was basically injured. Carton wentz played through injury. So I think the fact similar to the bears logic. They weren't at their peak last year, but they still went nine and seven, so I struggle to see how they're going to be worse this year. I Um. So I've got them finishing about the cowboys. Do you guys share that opinion? Or if you got the cowboys of other the Eagles I've got? I've got the cowboys above the eagles. Yeah, got the cowboys above the even as well. I just feel like one of the points you mentioned the shifting coach, I mean the coach last year, the previous few years, and the cowboys absolute asshole. Right. He's probably the worst coach in the NFL at the time and somehow he's managed to keep his job. But anyway he's off now. So it doesn't matter and I feel like that's going to be a huge deciding and determining factor for the cowboys. So I say them in top spot and then I say the Eagles are close second. Yeah, completely agree there. I I do think the cowboys being heavily overrated by by the media, as you said, Cork Cosky, of seeing people predict them to go like thirteen and three, even fourteen and two. I think that's outrageous. But having said that, I still I still think they'll finish above the eagles because of the changing the changing coach, because their list is I think they have one of the most talented, especially offenses. Yeah, effect in the compostions. Definitely. Yeah, the day's a bit dodgy, but like it is a you know, they say the MLB's a jam league. NBA To play league and NFL's the coaches league. So if that's the case, then if they shifting coach, hopefully that's to have a huge impact. Some words of definitely in Russ of court definitely has the potential for them to improve a lot more than the eagles do. I think they're eagles. I think the eagles will maybe produce an extra win and the cowboys an extra couple wins, but I'll stealing the giants and red skins will...

...be absolute dog shit. Yeah, another point for the cowboys, Zeke and dark. They're still young, so it's hard to see why they would be worse this year than they have been in the previous few seasons. So that's another reason why the cowboys should improve. Realistically. Yeah, as you were mentioning, pilch, the giants Redskins, I've got them as the two worst teams in the NFC. I don't think I agree with they were. They were first and third worst. Detroit was splitting them last year but, as we've mentioned earlier, Detroit won't be as bad this year and I just comparing them to the teams I've got forth coming in the other divisions. I don't think they compare at all. I think they're way worse. I've got the giants finishing above the red skins purely on the fact that I think they've just got more upside. They've got a greater ability to scol points, I think, which is always important. The defense is probably worse than the red skins, but I can't really see the red skins ever scoring more than twenty points, if I'm honest, with Haskins and like Diris glease and stuff like that, where the giants have a pretty good attack, if Dan Jones can get his shit together and stop dropping the ball. They've drafted Andrew Thomas and Olman and pick for to help out, say Kue and they're receiving cause pretty bloody good. Evan Ingram missed a lot of last year, so he'll be back. Your Boy Curtis. Yeah, riff are Tailand and then if they get slate and shepherds and Golden Tapele on the field at once, which they struggle to last year, they actually might have a few points in them, if I'm honest. So do you guys have the giants above the Redskins? I do, but I think they're both putrid. Yeah, I'll be honest. There wasn't much like. Yeah, I think. I think the Redskins are the worst team in the competitionin you boys dog with the giants to be or can the giants going to be better than you're they so that's only won't be. Yeah, but you think Dan Jones is the second coming of Jesus Christ man. I don't think that. I think you do love, you do love Dan Jones. You've named a lot of good reasons as to why they're not, but you just call them the second worst team in the NFC. But then you just listed a ton of good reasons why they're back. Yeah, but I just didn't mention the defense. Yeah, and they conceded the second most points in the league last year. I think right. The drafted for that except for their fourth pick. So hopefully, I mean they've got, as you said, say Corm they've got Dan Jones, who you gets rid of his fumbling is he said, could be a beast. You were evern Ingram, who is injured all of last year, much the same as say corn actually, so the facts say coon didn't do much last year, did he did? He was injud caught for quite an yeah, that's true. So I don't see any how they could slip to be any worse than they were last year. And I don't see how they can be worse than panthers, the lines and the redskins cheese or I think, the equals. Saying that they be better than the lines is ridiculous. I think. I think they have greater upside than teams like the panthers. Maybe not the lions, but I think. I think the panthers suck as well. I think the panthers are solid unit, though, like they're not good in any part of the field, but they're not all for in any part of the field, where the giants defense is pretty bloody average and like genuinely dead. Dan Jones, he's young, so he could come out and blitz this year, but like, realistically, is the bottom five qb in the league. So the the League, yeah, it's but a bottom five. That bottom five.

Yeah, I don't think that's that big of a call for honest I think. I think he has a lot of upside, though. Name an NFC quarterback apart from Dwayne Haskins, who's worse than him. You can't include trubisky. Actually, legit. There's it's Daniel is leasing. The AFC brother. Yeah, but you can't say someone who led a team to the AFC championship game is worse than Dan Jones. Like, yeah, they used Henry as they're out in our offensive weapon. Yeah, but he's still like the Marshall Boys from what we've seen so far. Then obviously you can't say that Dan Jones is a beast, but he has he has a lot more actually, got golf his worse coffee. I can Hay. God is absolute genius with photographic memory. But, like we've seen it before, we're QB's just break out in their second or third year. So that like it could happen with Dan Jones. It may not happen, but he does have upside. Yeah, now I like Dan Jones, so if you can hold he's a great bloke. Great bloke. Well, what it was that going off? He's on first. Is got it to be. Just got that feeling that you just I think they could be a bit like temple last year, but maybe a little bit worse, where if they if they're on, they can put up forty points against a team and it's just a matter of how much they can see, basically. But yeah, with the ball they'll be quite dangerous. But yeah, I've got them above the redskins. Yeah, I think you said the Redskins the worst in the league, Pilch, I do think they are one of the worst in the league. Yeah, I can't really think of a team who is worse. To be honest. I've been bangles. The bangles probably up there, but yeah, I was about say bangles and red skins and that's about it. Yeah, they're probably worse. So that's it for that little division. Probably looking like they're going to be the worst NFC division again. I think they will be. Well, I think the cowboys and eagles will both be improved. The NFC South we've got the saints where I've got them coming first yet again. I don't think they had a six win gap on second last year in their division and I can't really see either the Falcons or temper making up that gap. The saints haven't really gotten worse. If I'm honest, though, the only thing that could jeopardize the saint season would be another drew brees injury, because I think Jamis would be a step down from teddy as a replacement for breeze. But that's a low chance. They added at Emmanuel Sanders, which will only help. Michael Thomas, you'd think, and Kamara still there, jared cook, and they've got a pretty good defense, Marshal, lot of more ladder, more and stuff. So I don't really see how the saints are getting worse. Where do you guys have them coming? Yeah, I think it's a no brainer having the saints in First and I think between them and Detroit, one of them will take out the top spot come end of season in the whole conference. You didn't have to mention the Detroit call for the rest of the episode, but you've just ruined another call of yours yet again, Curtis, where you got them finishing rather about the saints topping out this hour, followed by the bucks in not not too far or second. So I can see the bucks maybe pushing the saint to bit, but yeah, the saints will our top of it out or I can yeah, no brainer, no brainer. Yeah, I think people probably going a bit too hot on the old, on the old buccaneers, but I can see the appeal of it and it's a bit fun to get around a new team. They that would offense...

...to be like, if we're fully honest, like you got Brady, not no, rest on more, but Chris. Godwhen they you've got your yeah, you got arguably the best one, received joy qubly. So like they're not definitely, but and then you've got gronkowsky coming back. You would a strength than authentic. Why? The defense is where I reckon. They're big, dodgy, but I still think they can put this saint to bit. Yeah, so do you both have them in second? Yeah, yeah, yeah, just I've actually, I've actually got falcons ahead of them. Yeah, I'm actually really on torn, to be honest, because I can see the falcons. Falcons is a tough one in my opinion. Bank it's they couldn't get to anything. Yeah, it's. There's a few teams that are getting a bit tough to pretic now, because you got teams like the Rams, the eagles the Falcons who only recently have made super bowl runs, but they have just kind of fallen off a cliff. But I actually think the Falcons are a really good team and they just had a shocking start to last season. They've added Todd Gurley and Dante Fowler. If girls in two thousand and eighteen form, I think this team goes to another level. Davonta Freeman has now left them, is a free agent. I think he's one of the worst starting running backs of last seat. Like, out of the starting running backs last year, I think he was one of the worst. And if girly returns to his peak, yeah, they'll just add another element, because you obviously got Matt Ryan, Calvin Ridley, Julio Jones. So to add a running element to this team, I think they would take the offense to another level. are done to a fowl. Is An upgrade on their pass rush currently. He's great player from the rands. In their last eight matches last year they went they won six of their last eight, so they came home really strong. They beat the forty nine is in a Buzzer Beata. Basically that last play great catch. I think it was Julio. I can't remember though, and out of as I was mentioning before, the strength of victory stat where they average out the percentages of the teams you've beaten, they actually had the highest strength of victory in the whole NFC. So, although interesting, it's a it's a stat you need to take with a grain of salt because it's also means they've probably lost to some shit teams, but they have the ability to beat the best sides on their day. And Yeah, I'm convinced that it was just a pick up early on in the season and that the six and eight, the six wins and eight matches for the lap second half the year, is actually a true reflection of how good the falcons are. So I've got them in second, a still a fair way off the saints. I don't see they had seven with seven and nine last year. I can't really see them going any more than ten and six, but I think they would be better. I've got the buccaneers and third. Everyone's hot on the buccaneers, but I don't know, I think they're very tough team to predict. I think everyone's going a bit too hard on them, a bit like the cowboys. I think everyone needs to just really take a look at who they've actually added to the team. Like they've added Tom Brady, who obviously is the goat, the fossil back of all the line. But yeah, he's ancient, like he could hardly throw the ball more than twenty yards and and he's I don't know, I can't remember how old he is. He's like forty one or something. He's forty time these days is about eight point nine. Yeah, exactly. And they've got rob Gon Krowski WHO's coming out of a time and and so I think it's going to he's just a genuine athlete. So wouldn't surprise me in the slices if he just came back and was as good as he was, but I definitely think it might take him a few months to ease into his prime again. They...

...did go similar to the Falcons. They had five wins in their final eight matches last year, so they came home strong. But yeah, as I mentioned earlier, the Combo of an ancient quarterback but also no notable running back. Really, I've seen that's a huge risk the teams with no running back. You really want pass heavy offense with a great quarterback who's really elusive and won't take many big hits. But I think I'd be worried about Tom Brady's health, of him honest, if they're going to be passing it like forty fifty times of match. So yeah, their defense was the biggest issue last year and they just didn't address that whatsoever. And and also you could stop put that down to Winston's thirty old interceptions. So they're turning the ball over a lot. They did still can see the third most points in the NFC. So I think they're big boom or bus team. I could easily see them having huge upside and getting like eleven or twelve wins. But yeah, I've got the Falcons ahead of them. What what are you guys reckon? Yeah, I think those two sides are quite similar in that respect. And but I think that Girley, how many times as he how many times has he done his knee? Yeah, it always In't. Yeah, I don't think he'll. I don't think he'll go back to his old form, especially considering that their past heavy offense as well. But the box and the Falcons, I could see them, like you said, each of them having huge years or also poor years, considering how much they're everyone's hyping up, the bus especially. Yeah, what do you think? Curs? Yeah, I can the box ahead of the falcons, and literally just because of Todd Gurley in relation to the Falcons, either trakened, the fact that the ram just got rid of him, that a signals to me that there's like serious, like medical issues with him and he so I don't actually even seeing getting on the pitch that much and contribute. So I can they might have to be looking at a second string running back. Yeah, so it's cool. I don't yeah, there, there's what there's always worries with with girly these days. Yeah, it's it's a big question mark. And let's be real, like a lot of what I was saying about how they'll improve was down to adding a running ellen the element to their attack. So if he is still injured and got question marks next to his name every week, I think it's hard to see them improving too much on last year. We've all got the panthers and fourth, I imagine. Yep, yeah, absolutely, their anthers defense is going to be absolutely shocking. Yeah, they lost last year as well, but they lost lost even more players. Yeah, they lost Gerald McCoy, Luke Keckley, James Bradbury and Bruce Evan, who, in all of their own rights are great players. So yeah, as you mentioned, they had the worst defense in the NFC and to lose for key pillars in that defense it's just going to be hard for them to really stop anyone. Basically, they did draft a couple D lineman in there, with their first two picks in the draft, but it's always hard to rely on them early on in their career. The obvious pick up here was teddy bridgewater, which I think will obviously been improved from on last year because, Um, they were dealing with Kyl Allen, who didn't really eat at a great first match for then after that he was did really do much. They've also gained Russelloh Kong, one of the best tackles in the business, which will no doubt help out Christian McCaffrey, who it's hard to imagine him having a bad year...

...as he's clearly the best running back in the league. But that's a cork. How the best running back in the week, he says so, was injured. But if you don't look at it, are he's best running back from the league. Chris mcaffrey's the best running back and the best wide receiver. He'd probably be the best quarterback as well if you ye got a crack caffreeze. Versatility probably gives him the nod. But and it's just hard to like. I know they go to him for every single play, but like, it's just hard to argue with his stats really. But I'm actually McCaffrey last season played on like ninety five percent of the panther snaps or something ridiculous, and it was like fifteen percent higher than any other running back in the entire competition. Yeah, so the man is a freak, but you've got a wonder there will be a point where, I know he's still hang, but he will break down at some point, especially without for the workload I think. I think the pants attacks not too bad, though, I'm honest. You've got right, he's throwing just sorry. So I knowe like interns of percentage. Yep, in terms of best, best our being the League of pure pure running, pure running back, then he's in the conversation quite right. The game, yeah, he's probably like more explosive because he's bigger stronger than Christian McCaffrey. But he did, ever, he did have a much better our line, though, Derrick Henry. Yeah, I don't know if I'd say he's better than him. But yeah, it's hard to say really, especially when, as we just mentioned, Christian McCaffrey gets pretty much every single panthers play. So the attacks not too bad. You Got McCaffrey, then you got Teddy Bridge, water throwing to Dj more, Robbie Anderson. Who was that? We says, she what the other week Bilch to remember who. So this second I Kurd of Samuel. So Dj more is actually pretty good last year and Robbie Anderson was pretty decent for a shot New York jets team. So they might be all right an attack. But yeah, it's they don't more. Dj More will be a top ten receiver, a hundred percent. Yeah, their defense is pretty bad. They're in a tough division. It's hard to see them getting even get one match out of their division with the Saints Falcon's buccaneers. Then they've got to go up against the NFC north who, as we said, it's fairly strong division, so will be tough to beat them. AFC West, who knows, they could put up a little bit of a fight against Los Vegas, Denver the chargers, but yeah, don't think they'll have too much success this year. And finally, to bring us home, we've got the NFC west, the best division of last season by an absolute mile. I'd say Cordis has favorite division. Yeah, love and nine has. So we've got the forty niners in first. Last year they went thirteen and three. Where do you guys have them coming this year? Topping it again? Mate, just just whipping out the the winds like last year. I can don't see Jimmy getting worse. Only see Jimmy getting better. You've added, are you, even though you're rid of standards, but let's be honest and just didn't do too much last year anyway. So and yeah, I feel like they're still would be an elite running back team and yeah, topping it out as they should. Yeah, well, I've actually got me forty niners in fourth this year. So what? I just no brain. No brain. So no, Bro, I had I had the cursor on the kick button from this yeah, you Janus going to kick your you would do that body. Yeah, well, if you said that, you've you've just ruined two divisions. But yeah, you got them. Got Them in first. I've got them in all right. I can't see although, although the other three teams are great sides,...

I can't see them topping the niners. I I've got them in first. At one point I did have the seahawks in it first, but yeah, I don't know. I just find it, see it hard to find it hard to put their seahawks above them, given how dominant the nine as well last year. They have lost a Manuel Sanders and deforest Buckner who, as you mentioned, Curtis and just probably didn't have much of a statistical output, but I feel like he attracted the attention of defense, which allowed devo Samuel and George Kittell to probably go to work a bit easier. So I think that that impact of the loss of him might hurt a little bit. DEFOREST Buckman has gone as well, who was pretty damaging in the D line, but there's so much depth in the nine as d line I think they'll be able to cover that. They've added Trent Williams who, after the contractor Barkle with the red skins, is finally settled on where he'll play. He'll play at the niners, who was one of the best tackles in the game, so that'll further help the running backs of the niners. I think they might be a little bit less dominant as kind of everyone knows the way they play now, but they still did last year and no one could really stop it. So I've got them coming first. They were just rolling through teams last year and it's going to be hard for teams to stop them again this year. They absolutely rolled through my packers as well in the in the season and in the playoffs. Need to stop this Horse Shit of God, of saying we and ask for the lines and then saying my packers just hop off it. Man said the packers said my back. I think it's a good point. With our teams might start work in the nights out this year. Yeah, but it's another they'll still been teams over. Yeah, it's one thing to work them out and it's another thing to actually stop them. Ye, true, and just quietly there. This division is going to do absolute damage to the competition. Like I think, is it even possible? But I reckon they all have double digit wins. I don't think it's possible, but it's they're playing it the AFC east, which is the worst division in the competition, and they've got the NFC east, which is the worst division in the NFC. So I think their records. I don't know if it once again, I don't know if it's mathematically possible, but it wouldn't surprise me if all four teams come away was positive off the season. I don't know about the cardinals. I don't think they're quite ready to produce those sort of double digit yeah, that's probably a stretch. So have you both got the seahawks in a second? Yep, I do see. I've got the aim orders last year actually. Yeah, interesting. Otherwise. Well, have you got to see Hawks at second? Well, they're just they're just a solid side, great offense, good, good running game, good passing game, probably top three quarterback in the league, if you boys would agree with our one. Yeah, they're just I can't tell. It would definitely. I can't see them dropping off. And they were eleven and five and then the rams. I don't think the rams will catch them. I think they'll get worse and then the cardinals just starn't quite there yet. So not too hard of a decision for me. Yeah, Curtis, why do you reckon they will be second mate, just a strong organization, generally well coached. What if you the young wilde receivers like DK metcalf seeing game better? So see them dropping in any way and I maybe scrape another win, win, win or two maybe, but saying in three, maybe that's a bit of a stretch. By twelve, twelve, twelve and four, I can see.

So, yeah, I think they'll just sit nice in second again and find their way in the playoffs. Yeah, definitely. I definitely think they'll be there at the end of the season, but we'll touch in that in a little bit later. It's hard to know how much their success came down to Wilson being in the form of his life last year or not, like I don't know, but the thing is I don't see him getting worse this year. Like, I think you'll probably produce similar kind of numbers. So I don't think they have to worry in in that respect. They haven't really lost anyone either, which is a big, big plus. They've added Philip Dorset from the Patriots and a couple people just to fill out their defense, so that's big for them. JADEVEON CLOWNEY is still not being resigned yet, but I do think he'll resign, which would be another big resigning for them. Yeah, as you guys have mentioned, I don't think they're as good as the niners, but they're better than the rams and the cardinals. That's pretty much all we need to know exactly right. I think they're pretty comfortable in it second there. But Yeah, I've actually gone a bit of a shock here. I think, if I could say this, I think this is a pretty average call, but I have, I have bitten into the hype. I've gone the cardinals. The I do think the cardinals are very likely to be like the browns of last year. They came into the season, everyone's big in them up and then they come out of it, never look in their wounds and everyone's like, well, that was one of the worst predictions of all time. I don't know. I just think adding Deandre Hopkins, and I genuinely recognize a Simmons, is going to be a freak out of the draft. Kylamari, I think he'll take the next step this year. I think he's going to be an absolute superstar. Can you drake I in those? He was there at the end of last year. Year's an improvement on David Johnson. And Yeah, they've already got a few stars in defense with but a baker and Chandler Jones. But I don't know, I just think the cardinals, they've just got all the pieces really to be good side. And the rams, I don't know. They've got so many outs, like their losses. It goes for like four lines on my word documents, which is unheard of. They've Lost Todd Gurley, Dante Fowler, Corey Littleton, Eric Weddell, brandon cooks, so many names, they all so much experience, so many key players to their lineup. However, I do think their success comes down to golf. I think golf is like last year, I actually genuinely can see the cardinals finishing above them. If Golf improves on last year and it is a lot better. I can't really see the cardinals competing with them and they will be more up with the niners and seahawks. But I reckon I'd be putting my money on him playing like last year. From honest yeah, just the defense is going to take a huge impact from some of those outs, Corey Littleton and Eric Weddell. They started every single game of last year and, along with Dante Fowl, of those three had the three of the four highest nap counts in the whole defense of the Los Angeles Rams. So you're seriously taking her away three vital parts to that lineup and I don't know. I think they that they still have some of the best players in the league with Aaron Donald's jail and Ramsey, even Cooper Cup and Robert Woods Pretty Handy wide receivers. But yeah, I'm back in the cardinals, but I am willing to admit it's pretty risky and probably not the most likely cool. Curtis, you've gone the same. Why do you reckon the cardinals will still be fourth? Our can the cardinals that they're getting better, for sure. I just don't see them jumping above the rams. The Rams are a super bowl team from two years ago that they're still kept...

...the main players of that. But Todd Gurley really and we cabay's an absolute beast of a coach. He's so I just think mcvay will sought something out and I think they'll just sit in third. They'll do nothing special, but they won't be dog shit. Yeah, yeah, well, I think on paper the cardinals do look quite spicy, but I struggle to see a world where the rams finished in fourth, although it's a tough division, just given their their experience, the fact they were a super bowl team two years ago, as Cordis just said, and Matvey as well. So it's more of a it's more of a gut feeling based decision for me on this one. I just can't really see them coming forth yeah, it is a weird call for me because it's basically the same situation as the bears, but they're a little bit better. Like they didn't play that well last year but they still went nine and seven. So it is a weird call. But I think they probably have one of the worst qb our be combos in the league. In Golf and well, we don't even know who it's going to be, but probably Henderson. Well, Malcolm Brown, so I think. And to lose those key defenders, I don't know. I just don't see it being too successful for the ramps this year. But, as we mentioned, they have a soft draw. So I think all four of these teams are going to have in the same records. Yeah, so, yeah, it will be an exciting division to watch. Now on to me golf. There from there needs to step up. Yeah, here's the big well, as most quarterbacks are for their sides, but he's a big indicator of how much success they have. So we've clearly stated our winning teams. Now who do we have as the wild cards? So it's going to be hard since we all have different division winners, but I'll start us off. I haven't actually written this down before, so I'm just going to work my way through. So we've got three wild cards this year. They've extended it from set six till seven. So I've got the SEAHAWKS. Are Definitely taking one for a greed. Yeah, I'll give the cowboys another and I'll give the falcons. I'll give the Falcons my third one. So pretty rogue for the Falcons to jump back into the playoff picture. But that's my three wild cards. What about you, Curtis? I have got the Seahawks, as you said, the Vikings, because I had them a second but obviously if the bears jump them, I can see the bears been in there. And then I got the eagles in the East Nice. I just want to mention interesting. I think you have the exact same playoff picture, curtis, is last year, just adding the Dallas Cowboys, as there's now seventh team. But I won't dog you. Actually a fair point that I did not think couldn't but yeah, that's it. It's only one year removed from that situation, so the obviously still going to be good team. So it's a fair call. Pilch, what have you got there? Well, the seahawks and the packers definitely and then it's a quite tough for the seventh spot, but for me it's between the Vikings or one of Falcon's buccaneers. But I'm going to go with the Vikings. I think the people. I think people are sleeping on the vikings a bit this year. I reckon they were a bit. They were better than ten and six side last year and I think they'll still be quite solid. Yeah, you're saying on sleeping on them, but you've put them below the Detroit lions. So yeah, but, as I said, I think that's one of the strongest divisions in the competition. Well, it obviously is the strongest division in the competition if you've got three of them in the playoff...

...picture. Indeed ground. So who we picking? Is Own number one seed in the NFC by the end of the season. I'm going to lock in. I'm going to go the forty nine is due to their soft draw against the NFC's NAFC East. What about you boys? Yeah, definitely looking in the my boy and Nins. Hey, you will. You would do that when your curse MVP as well, Jimmy J for MVP. Yeah, so everyone's sleeping on Matt Stafford, but Oh, I'm gonna I'm actually going to go the saints. I'm not going to say the lines because I'll get kicked from the podcast. So I'll go yet. Appreciate it. I Huh. You just said the lines. Thirteen three season. You haven't one. So what's the saint having a fourteen in two? Well, as we saw with last season, mate, the packers in saints, when thirteen and three and they didn't. They didn't clinch it. Did that true? I'm going with the saints. Yeah, fair enough. And the final question for it almost wrapping up at the our mark. Beautiful. I love to see it poultry in motion. But who have we got making the Super Bowl as the NFC representative? It's a rogue question. Pretty tough to to come away with it really, Curtis t want to go first, mate, more it's pretty obvious to be the night the niners. Yeah, fucks say me. Good to see you, two of the most biased sports fans of all times. But he's right. That's it. It's hard to say. That's why. Yeah, I'll give that to you. It's hard to say your biased. But yeah, Curtis Pilch s are you can go first call. I'll got the saints, I think. I think breeze will just carry them over the line to have one more crack at the ring before he departs at the end. He will retire on a he'll retire on a super bowl ring. That's my call. Well, that is a big call. Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty stiff, pretty stiff at the AFC boys not even getting the shout. But yeah, I'll go the saints. Yeah, I'M gonna go with Detroit Lions. Ye're Nice. The thing is, because we've ripped you so much, now I want the Detroit lions to be rubbish. So you just look like an idiot. But the thing is, I actually like to try you and I want, like, be good this year. I'm not, though, Matte. You're the SS like ruining the podcast on other people to suffer. No, no, what, Iren't know. I just want you to pay for just being a DICKHEAD. Mr Coasts and die hard Detroit Lions Fan, and I truly believe my boys will be, will be right up there this season. Yeah, goings for right. You don't need to want them to be shot, mate, because they're just going to be shit anywhere. Right. Yeah, I don't want them to be. I like to try it. There's no like it, just flast made. They're gonna be at like three and thirteen team. I'll be all right. That's tough. Yeah, I think that's a probably you guys man called Kenny Gola Day, but that's right. Yeah, well, he played for the last year, mate, and the record says here three hundred and twelve and one. So I'm sure not sure what Kenny's are bringing such living in the past. Maybe living in the past. So you, Curtis, with your nine as bullshit, in the past, when we've only got better, mate, and you just got from that super bowl loss. How have you got better? Maybe got better tracked in as an absolute passy beast and he'll be the best. Why I receive I added this draft class chiefs. Now that's so bad, that's not graceful. That's by Justin Jefferson. That's why I genuinely think I you...

...will be better than standers. But that's a genuine life thought. But looked away. All right, so thanks for joining me. Boys. It is currently Sunday afternoon, on the Queen's Birth Day. Long weekend. Anything planned for your Monday off or not really, lads, I'll be right essays S I will youtube. Yeah, it's the last week about uni semester. So hard at work as assessments juice. So good. Couple days ahead. They really now. But it's been fun to switch off and have a Chit Chat about the great game of NFL. Two great necks. This is the Tuesday episode and next Tuesday's episode. In a week's time from when you're listening to this, we will be releasing the AFC conference predictions. At the moment I'm trying to line up a few guests debuton's to the show, but we'll see if that full. If I'll see if I can work that out. Otherwise, you boys might be given. He's giving up. Lean back on again. He's giving us the flip. Cortis because you're forty enough, because you're forty nine is bullshit. It's very enough. What the line going to? Watch it happen right, watch it happened anyway. So the West Tigers playing tonight. So boys, we shust luck. We're playing my worst team the COMP. So if we don't win, probably won't hear for me for a few days. But I enjoy it. Enjoy your afternoon, lads. Thanks for listening at home. Check out, check us out on the social see see Yah.

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