On The Ball
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Episode 5 · 1 year ago

My Parents - Episode 4


The host, Hamish, is joined by his parents, Nicole and Fraser, for a brief interview about their lives and life in general

Cheese settle. All right, welcomeback to episode four of the on the ball podcast. Today is a differentone. Last episode was a change of pace with the marvel movies with myyounger brother, Campbell, but today's going to even be more of a changeof pace, I'd say. Now we're into we've gone from fast following tomedium bowling to spin bowling, and I'm here sitting with my two creators,my two rocks, my two heroes, I would say, my two parents, Nicole and phrase. I'll welcome to the on the wall podcast. Hello. Thanks for having us, Harrysh yeah, no worry, it's welcome to mystudio. That is definitely not dad's work study. So pretty much todaywe're just gonna have it. You know, Nashril Acts Chart on our Sunday Alvo, just going to discuss how everyone's going. I've got a few questionshere about your pass as a couple. I'm not interested in your individual lives, as that they could be episodes to come. I'm not looking to gettoo deep here today. We don't want to be breaking down with bad thoughtson our Sunday afternoon. So yeah, we're just have a relaxed conversation andnice little chat. So is that sound good? Guys? Sounds Excellent Hamish. Yeah, exactly. All right. You guys look nervous. How areyou guys coping in isolation? I know I don't want to talk about ittoo much because that's all we talk about these days. But how are yougoing? Well, I'm kicking out of the park because I've got an office. I'm very, very fortunate. First of all, we got to we'vegot a decent house. Your kids are at the right age. I meanI talk to my teammates at work lots. You've got young kids and it's amuch different environment for them because the stress you young kids and having toschool them and things like that. So working from working remotely for me isfine because because of travel so much, I actually do a lot of workand hotel rooms and airports and she's get used to it and unfortunate that myjob you can do that. So from a from a work point of view, it's good. From a personal point of view, it's starting to dragnow. The like a sport. I'm not a big TV watcher, butso I am. So I run every day just to escape it. Butyou feel like a mouse in a mouse cage. We are inside the cageand then they're the thing. You've got his a little wheel on the sideto run around it. So yeah, I think it's starting to get abit dull and if you're starting to feel a bit trapped, to be honest. M Yeah, been traveling okay, I have. I have days thatlike I'm really enjoying having the family around and that's been good and it's beengreat having phraser around a bit more, because he does travel quite a bitwith his family. So we've had some really nice times out in the backyardin the sunshine. On those particular days you want the microphone back to steadyon. So that's been good. Work wise for me, I haven't beenworking as much supporting the kids at pair say academy. So yeah, that'sthat's been a bit hard because I do thrive on a bit of structure andI get a bit lost with him myself when I don't have as much todo. You know, I mean there's always a thousand and one things youcan do around your house and Housework and tidying and stuff like that, butthat's a bit dull. So and I do miss the contact with the kidsbecause it's a small school. We're quite a close knit family, so Ihave been missing that. But fortunately, you know, to have a laptopand and we catch up on zoom every morning with the kids in a meetingfrom school. So that's been really nice to set their faces and, asphrases said, we're very fortunate as a family. We have a lovely homethat's quite spacious to hang out in with everybody and everyone's got their own spaces, if not more. And also, yeah, we all get on prettywell, like the five of us really get on and enjoy each other's company. Might be speaking out of turn there, but I think we I think wecan get on pretty well and it's true what prayers is said. Imean I've said to friends like thank goodness I don't have toddlers or or primaryschool age kids. So yeah, some but yeah, it is. I'mdraggging on a little bit, but you...

...know, all in this together,all right. So, as you mentioned, we are quite I would say we'revery close family. Like it's hard to say looking from the outside inother families because you don't know really what they do behind closed doors, butI would say we're closer than like my friends, families and people we know. Do you? Is there a reason why you reckon that is? Isit because we may be traveled as a like we had to move where welived, or jacking a something to do with like your upbringings or like?Why do you reckon that is? I look, I think multiple answers.He how me, I need to spare them that. Well, I think. Well, if you go back to my background, coming from Scotland,I came out just drove the very tight family. That's all we knew.We didn't know anyone, and so that really grew a family sort of environmentfor me, very strong family environment. So when I grew up and thenI had my own family, you replicate what you know. You're always goingto replicate what you know. I think the other thing too, is thatis what you said. We've traveled so much, like we jump around Australiaa lot and when we go to new cities we've only got each other,like when we came to Melbourne and two thousand and thirteen has just does andso you do look inwards. And then the other thing too, I thinkwith my travel, with work, when I come home, I want tobe with my family. I don't want to be with other people like Iwant to spend time in my family, and I think also mom and dad, we take a huge amount of interest in you kids, like you know, we like what you do, you know, like going of the cricket, like on the sport with you. So I think we're all got commonshared interests which makes it easy. But I think that's a big one.I think it's some I think it's driven by just it's what we are andthe way we travel and so, as result we've become a close unit.I mean, you could answer that question as well. Why you guys arestill hang around the house before home. Should answer is the answers that intriguingquestion, which is father, and I really want eager to know the answer. Me, I I actually agree with everything prays the said, but Ialso of course I do, just on a few occasions, but I doagree with them. You know, when we have moved around and phrases sortof being able to go off to work because we've moved to a new placebecause of his job. So straight away he's sort of working and we workthings out together. We work out schools, houses, we make decisions together andI think very much. Apart from that, it's quite an open communicationfamily. So we've always really encouraged the kids to that they can talk tous about anything. Were always made ourselves available for them to have a chat, be out front about when they when they came to age to possibly startdrinking, to be up front and honest about that and not sort of hideit. So so yeah, I think I think that's why we're pretty close. Unless you can shed some light on that subject image that we might notknow about. Well, that's why I asked, because I'm just interested,because I like it's a I feel like it's always been hard to explain andsometimes, like my mates find it, as you know, my mates findit quite peculiar when I'll like turn down the opportunity to go out because I'drather actually spend my Sunday night watching then are real or just like watching amovie with my family. So I feel like just like an interesting thing tothink about because you just don't really know, like it's not hard to determine whatlike makes a dynamic, especially in a family, because it's just theway things have always been. kind of like there's not really it's hard topinpoint one thing that kind of created it. But yeah, I guess well doneto you guys. I love my family environment. So for it's onthat one. I mean we got I mean it's a reflection of you guysas well. I mean you're pretty easy. I mean Campbell can be a bitweird sometimes, but you know, you're pretty easy young guys. Soyou use sort of flex into what we do, like we you know.So I think that makes a big difference as well. I think also tolike, while you have similar interests, you've all also all got your ownindividual personalities and individual interests. But I think we've always encouraged you to supporteach other's interests. So, whilst it might not be your favorite thing todo for yourself, your sibling likes to do it. So we've always encouragedyou to to support that. And I...

...remember, like, even when weused to live in Brisbane and friends it sort of make comments to me howthe kids, you know, always want to do this and that each dayof the holidays and stuff like that, and I just didn't I just turnedaround to them and, you know, I said I've got it pretty crazybecause my kids are just happy hanging around the house together, playing with oneanother, which is probably been good, I think. Also, even thoughyou can have like a boy and a girl, but I think it doeshelp maybe having three of the same sex. They sort of look to each otherpossibly a little bit more then maybe if we just had two kids.Mom was a girl, mom was a boy. Yeah, and like,not saying girls can't be into like video games or backyard cricket, but likewhen we used to have a backyard or Campbell, not as much, butlike we would often play in the backyard together or like at the moment,like we're playing a lot of playstation together and like with each other's mate.So yeah, that's probably a good point. Back to your back to your cheapbelow of why we still high. I think it's a bit of astretch. Man. The oldest is only twenty one. If I'm correct,my my sister was, my two sisters, were they still home twenty one,they might have been gone by them. But a different times. Yeah,exactly. Now. Now you got to work like full time, liketen years and I don't believe for to house twenty three when I finished universityand then. So what are you on about, mad but the only reasonI have that reason. Like yeah, but I'd gone off and done acouple of stints in the you know, the gold industry. Yeah, andthen then mine, I had my degree. I had no option, and thatwas a big struggle for me, was that I had to live myhouse because I once I got my degree on you want to be a duologist, I had to leave Sydney and that that was a crisis which is awhole another podcast which we've gone for hours. Did you did you find it easymoving out or, like, found it really hard? I mean Iwell, I had to go to Norseman in, which is near Calgoli,for six months as a student and I found that a little bit difficult,but you sort of go, well, this is what I'm doing. Butthen when I finally graduated and I think I got offer three jobs and Itook they're all in West Australia and I took one. I went and didit for two months, three months, and I quit because it just missedmy family and MS and my lifestyle in Sydney, and so I gave itup. When worked and totally it, got out of it and was goingto go off and do something completely different because I found it a real struggleand it's always. Even now when I'm jumping on a plane, it's astruggle some days like that's good thing about what we're going through right now isI don't have to travel without my family, which is a big plus. Doyou think you struggled away from home at the start because, like,you actually missed your family members always it more just like not living with abunch of people, like did you struggle living alone and like the actually stuffof look, what's the running at us, like you jumped to it. Yeah, it's I've struggled with the word the isolation of where you were likein the middle of nowhere and living with in big camps with people you didn'tknow. And I was a youngest by far, like by far, whereaswhen I went to capital city, I went to Brisbane on my own,I didn't find that as hard because it was in the city and around normalthings, and so I found that but yeah, I miss my mom anddad and miss my sisters, you know. So that was a bit hard atfirst. When, when did you move out? One I didn't getthrown out, but I did leave. I did leave I wanted to makea fresh start wanted to move away from some stress within my family that Igrown up with. So I did move to Queensland to to make a freshstart and I moved for a job and, back in the day, you know, for a little bit of romance as well, which actually wasn't withphraser. That's another story, but but led me to phrase at which isthe main point here. O regret. But Yeah, I was twenty one. I'd sort of gone away for a few months before twenty one and I'myet twenty one lock and I did move up to Townsville at twenty one.I had a job, our fulltime job, and that was great and I lovethat and I didn't move back home after that. So yeah, thatwas me. So basically, like I didn't locks times coming, I didn'tMiss I didn't Miss Home as much as dad did. I was, youknow, I wasn't as in a remote... like phrase. It was,you know, back in out in out back Western Australia. So yeah,so I was sort of Townsville, which sort it was a slow city,like a big country town, really mainly set up for the army. Sobut it was it was nice up there, good weather and enjoyed it, enjoyit. Did a little bit of traveling around and and work, juston short stints. But yeah, even I was home till twenty three.My tear out. He did now. But I just tell you what thedifference is. My parents, because they, you know, they didn't have themoney that you know different times, so they traveled on their own forthe so basically, from sixteen onwards, I didn't go aund hold those mom, Dad, where's you guys still come with us, and I think thatmakes me get invited. It's not like we but the reason we do,the reason I was just going to say, the reason why I want you tobe there, because I do. I travel lots on my own andyou want to share things that I've seen with my family. So I thinkthat makes a huge difference as well, as you get older, that youstill still doing things as a family unit, not just going over too old tohang around mom and dad, which is it's a bit strange for youguys. And also I not I tell I tell my hot are you guys, because I feel like, compared to most families who are in like asimilar like class to us, like social, econonomic class, they go on toholidays a lot earlier, like, for example, were in the lastfew years. We've been lucky enough to do a trip to North America andthe UK and, like a lot of my mates, did that when theywere like fourteen fifteen, and I think you can't just take it in alot more. So I actually I'm very grateful to be invited on things image. That's lovely for you to say, but I think too, there's acouple of reasons for that. We we wanted to achieve a few things forthe security of our family when you guys were young. It's a lot.I mean, whilst it can be cheaper traveling with younger kids, I don'tknow whether it's easier. And also, I guess you know, how muchdo younger kids really keeping their memory banks and appreciate the places that you takethem, whereas now, you know, we can have some really good chatsas a family when we discover new places together and have conversations, and Ithink that's something that binds is to because, as you guys have gotten older,a lot of the conversations we have and we bring up things that havehappened in the past on our holidays with the with the press, which isanother close family that we've done a few holidays with funny things that have happenedon those times that we've shared together, and they're the really important things thatare just too precious to to not have had experience. So yeah, soyou've talked a bit. I was thinking of some questions last night to askyou guys, as you are just searched fascinating subjects. Well, we are, but well, you like to think you are. Rise has been solong since, you know, my podcast debut. So like Racknteur of goodstories, good times, you love, you're full of it. So alot to change since like the S and s when you guys were growing upand aging, which can you say you were growing up in the s?Yeah, yeah, so you grow up in the S and S. Well, I went to school in the s and university in the early S.Yeah, yeah, so is there anything? So lots obviously change from now.We don't have flying cars, we don't have hoverboard. So back tothe future. You know it's not correct. Yeah, yeah, I wanted somuch more. Far failed predictions, but that's where you KFC. Iwas looking for. That never happens. If there's something you could bring fromnow and like take back to your childhood and upbringing, like what would youtake back? Like there's something that is changed in society now. It canbe like a physical thing, like if you want the Internet, you cantake that back, or if it's like something that's just like families are justlike, I don't know, looser now. Or is there something that you wouldchange about your upbringing that you see now in like families growing up?The would maybe, I don't know, just more enjoyments to better experience whenyou were growing up. I look for me would be cheaper, ifest liketraveling. Well, until covid crisis,...

...traveling now compared to when you werekids is huge. Be Difference. A lot cheaper to travel now. Soif you could take back that you would change. I'm not sure about theInternet. You know, it's like from the ease of doing things, like, you know, the the fact that you can have instantaneous information, youcan watch whatever you want, you can do whatever you want really, butthen you didn't have I look back, I was just thing as you askthat question. Would I really want it? If you didn't know you had it, you wouldn't want to. So but yeah, I suppose you couldyou got to say you'd want some of it because you it would be good. But I look at all the things that I did growing up, Ididn't need it. Like I look back down, instead of watching, youknow, instead of wasting time the Internet, you actually out doing things, likeyou're going sporting of it, because you had to do things like ifyou want to see sport, you had to go to sport. Yeah,because you wouldn't see it on TV. So you're a lot more active.I think, not that we're not active. I don't know. Maybe, maybeI don't know. Well, look, I mean if there's also a healthaspect to that, there's more more in technology around health and people livinglonger, and maybe if you learned things when you're younger that would have achange. But then we've been really fortunate. We really haven't had a lot ofhealth issues in our family. You know, my mom's about a billionyears old still life. So yeah, I don't know, I'm Eysh I. I don't know if I take much back. I think I think it'smore a question. What would you I think it's more of an individual thing. Is that I look back now and what other things about me when Iwas in my when I was in my teens and twenties that I would change. So I think it's more that it's not technology, is not gadgets,it's my life experiences and the things that I've learned that I would like totake back. Well, you think everything about this will go to mums forher answer, but think about this. So what about the other way?Like I said, something that you guys didn't have that we have now growingup in the twenty one century that you wish, like kids didn't have accessto or didn't have, like there's something like Jewish social media didn't exist forkids growing up. I'll know I look like I think communic. Join ananswer mom. Mom Can answer this first, but I'm just saying good. Justjust ponder on that second part because I want to give you time toprepare a good answer. So the question was you guys grew up in likethe S and s. You guys grew up in the S and s andnow, obviously you're bringing up a family in the twenty one century. Sothe question is, is there something that you see nowadays in the way you'vebrought us up that you wish you could take back to your childhood? Andapply. It could either be like a dynamical like a relationship of family,or like a genuine physical thing, like a technological innovation. I think outsidethe box. He Hay. Mean, all right, I write it andthrow it out there. It's unlucky you for me and I don't want togo too deep, but it is pretty dame for me saying what my familydynamics is like. I wish this family, our immediate family, the mccorcodiles,you and your children, yes, and my husband, and we'll bringhim with. An't have a dog or account much time. What's can Imust came Campbell's discussed well, your PA. That's you enough. So I wouldlike to take back to my ten ags, to my family, theway our family dynamics and time. That wow. I wish that my childhoodfamily could have been like our immediate family is. Yeah, all right.I won't ask to any further questions on that because I know it's a deeptopic with some unfortunately serious like drama. But I respect that, and soI'm sure anyone who, like grew up in a broken home or a familythe signs privileged as us, would like wish that that could be different.But for the some people are put aren't broken homes don't any different. Yeah, that's and they're happy. So it's a you know, yeah, andoften like pushes preful to strive for excellence. Actually, like as I was watchingthe NFL draft on the weekend and I saw people taking the piss outof it on twitter, which I actually thinks a bit stiff. But mostthe draft he's actually like come from tragedy or like a broken home. Who'sthey probably realize that they've got to work hard to get somewhere in this world. I think that's right. I mean it's I think you do, likeit does help you strive for things.

Like like my grandmother, for instance, was always, you know, pitting her children up, you know,against each other and causing family drama, and my brothers and sisters sort ofhad sort of said to each other, we're never going to let you knowarguments or things come between us, sort of thing. As we're growing upand we're older. So I'm we sort of saw that as not a waythat we wanted to go. So I think that sort of can drive youand you saw things along the way and you went. I didn't, Idon't, you know, that happened and you know, mum did. MyMum did the best to her ability. But in hindsight I don't want tolive my life like that or make those choices and I could see how Icould change things. So yeah, I think that just because you come frombroken home, that's no excuse play the pitty party or victim, you know, like you mentioned about the NFL draft before. There's no that's no reasonto, you know, say you don't know any different, because I thinkyou see enough on social media, through the television, through movies, throughfriends about how things, you know, should develop amongst family and family relationshipsand how things were work. So I don't think that's really ever an excusefor you know, it might, it's it can make it harder for peopleto break out of cycles if they've, you know, growing up in situations, you know, less desirable, but we've got now drugs or, youknow, violence or stuff like that. But I think it's possible to breakthose cycles. So, Dad, what would you eliminate from like the Idon't know, the the raising of a child experience in the twenty one century, like would you what have you seen in our childhoods that you like wishyou could change and an element of your childhood could like, still remain.I think it's some simplicity of life. I look at what you guys doas kids and you got too much on. I think the demands of schools aretoo great. I think you've you've got sport. When you you buildup, and I mean particularly you boys with the sport and dancing, ifyou build that all up on top of your school, if it's huge,and I think I didn't have that. I mean I but I didn't playsport like you guys did, so I had a lot more spare time.But I think that's one thing I would do, is that it's a tryingto make your life's a little bit more simple, and I think a lotof that is I look, I said, it'll work. You know, it'sjust instant demand for information. People now want everything now, and Ithink schools are the same. They want everything now. So I think,think, I think if one thing we could, I would like to changeis to make your life's a little bit more simple and let you enjoy yourlife's because you're only a kid and you're only young for small proportion of yourlife, so you should really enjoy it, but I just worry that there's somuch pressure. Of Mean, whether it's at school or whether you wantto be in rep cricket or REP football or whatever, there's just pressure,pressure, pressure on your kids and I think a lot of that is there. And then I think the horrendous thing is this bullying on social media.I just think it's horrendous, and I mean not I was a victim ofreal bullying at school because it's small, but you lived that because it wasthere in your face when you left the school playground at the afternoon. Youdidn't have it phone your home, whereas I think this environment we're in rightnow of just where it's just absolutely hostile at all levels. I just thinkit's atrocious and so I'd love to get that out of your life's make yourlife simple, but fortunately for you guys, you seem to manage that pretty well. Good answer faith. I think I'd actually I was even before dadmentioned he's things that he would take out of today and put it back.I think I actually agree with phraser. I think it your kids life isa very small proportion of the rest of your life and I think that,yeah, I think it's almost like it's a shame about the social media thingbecause people, some people just revolve their lives around social media and there theirlife is to make other people's life miserable and they could comment on people theydon't even have a relationship with on social... and and say very hurtful,hurtful things to someone else whom they don't even know, and that I actuallyunderstand the impact of their comments or the repercussions that are for the person thatthey've made the comment towards. And I think too, that things could bea bit slower, families could appreciate time a little bit more to spend withone another and maybe maybe relationships wouldn't family relationships wouldn't break down so quickly andreadily now, I think, and I think the outside influence, I meanthe outside influences, things like it's a lot easier and the drugs that maybeare out there in the community are a lot more fierce and addictive and andthat sort of thing nowadays. But yeah, bit slower and just to enjoy likelife for not those pressures. I think social media destroys kids childhoods because, you know, I've had to tell if I'd tell young phraser what todo, you know, like back in the S, it would be dowhat you want to do and don't worry about what people think and take chances. I mean, if you if there's one thing that's in stall into you, mother, you boys and everyone, you've got to take chances every dayto live your life to the fullest problem is with social media you are forcedto conform and you see that at all levels of life, not just familylife. You see it's sporting stars, you see it with politicians. Everyonehas to conform to this consensus and all that's going to do is crush peopleand you lose that freedom. So that's that's why it's bad. It's notjust a bullying, it's a it's a confirmat it's it's destroying the individuality,which that's what you got to be as a human being. Talking of individuals, and we have three individuals in this household that you guys brought up.Who Do you start with, mom first? Who Do you see more in outof us three each like, who do you see more in yourself,and who do you see more like phrase in? And then you can haveyour crack out of that. I know you're chomping at the bit over there. Not Not physically. I'm talking personality. I don't care that we're rangers andDAD's ranger. That's that's a copper and it doesn't have to be.Hamish is the best bloke and I'm a good bloke. So that's it.Like I'm talking personality traits. So sort of where I was heading. Butyou know, that's a hard one, Hamish, because I see bits andpieces of you all, I say bits and pieces of me in you all. I don't. I don't think. I really don't think you, anyof you, look like me. I think Lochlin's Lacklin has some features thatlook very much like my brothers, especially across the eyes and the mouth sortof thing. But yeah, personality wise, Campbell and Lachlin are quite similar.They can jump onto an idea or a fad and play it to deathor do it to death. They're very they can be structured, they canbe quite structured, and I'm quite structured. I like to do if I dosomething, I like to do it, do it well. But then Ican see that attribute come from you. I mess you can be, Ican worry about what other people think. And unfortunately I've passed that. Whydon't you? Thanks. And I can be a warrior and a personwho worries, not a musical warrior. Yeah, and no, no,not a and our warrior. Let me tell you all we want once forwarriors, if you know the movie. But yes, I've thought. Yeah, I can say my personality a lot in Hamish in you, I think, my social part of me. I can see more in Lachlin. AndLachlan, as he's gotten older, though, like Lachlin eighteen plus, I cansee he's social personality, my social...

...personality in Him. But yes,I think the lucky and Campbell's chill back nature comes much more from Fraser thanI. So sorry about that, Homi, but Hamish I have passed on mykindness and thoughtful most to you, I'm afraid. Yeah, caught thatKenvil and yeah, everking really here? Oh, no, I think he's. Yeah, he's gonna give me though. He's later, but you know he'sreally standing at the door waiting for these man. Yeah, okay,you're underpressure now phrase. What about you mate? Yeah, look, it'slike I can see one thing I've got as a huge self drive and ahuge self motivation and Campbell's got that in spades. So, out of thethree boys, I see that mostly in Campbell. I see locks deep obsessionwith things. That's me because I go deep on things and get obsessed mysense of human place. I can see it all three. If you arecan at times, you can be all yeah, like I think all threeof them's got a good sense of humor, which I have as well. Oh, I think I'm a bit I'm not like mom. I'm very muchI'm happy in my own skin. So I'm like lock. I'm happy tobe on my own. I don't need people around me. I enjoy whenpeople around me, but I don't need them. So locks got that.But I've also got big in securities, which you've got you worried. Butthe difference with you, Hamish. You you're completely different to measure, acomplete finisher. I'm not. I'm an eight twenty guy, like close enoughis good enough for me. Whatever I do, I mean what I like. I've got a little bat, I know. I mean you've got lotsof you're very hard like. I don't need to get around. You don'tneed to get you're very caring. I mean month thing that you've. Onething you've all got that I don't have is just sporting and dancing capability.Mean that's just amazing. So that must come from because I look at allthree, few, all three, if you mean. Yeah, probably notas close academically as me. Or you're all a bit off the large exercidelike actually, not now I think you're also, there's no, no,I think you're a bits farther than all three of us. Yeah, butI like not not pumping up your tires, for you are very intell. Soyeah, I think it's there's bits of pieces, but your model bythere's some bad things about my like. E. There's bad things about myback, my personality that you haven't got, which is good. I've not,I think. So I've got just a destructive side to my personality,which is not good, but I manage that really hard and really close andI haven't seen that in any three for you, which is good. Allright, good answers from birth you or full marks. I would say allor I'd say you. Guys were both talking about earlier in a previous questionabout how you moved out at home and you didn't actually live in the samecity. You moved away quite dramatically in this great big land, this thegreat big southern land. Where is? You've lived in many places, likesix or something. I would like nothing too deep here, but I'd likeyou to rank. You can do this together or you can have a spokespersonor whatever. I'd like you to rank your the places you guys have livedtogether. Well, we can. Let's so listening. List let's just listwhere we yeah, first, so we obviously lived in Sydney, but welived, mom and dad lived in different parts of Sydney. I'm talking whenyou're together. So after the pointed together. Well, towns will we started.Then we went to tomorrow in New South Wales. Then we went toOrange, cal Ghoulie, Brisbane and now Melbourne, to six. So wegot a rank that. Yeah, I want one to six, one beingthe best sixpand the world. I mean obviously. I mean, yeah,it's daughter compare. Well, use you. That's right. You Tomorrow's two thousandpeople. Did you enjoy that or not? Look, I did somethingfor me that we needed to do, and that was the reason dad tookthat job was I didn't have to travel. So for two or three years Iwas home every night. So that was important at the beginning of mymarriage because I wanted to give mum for my matter, our marriage to work. I had to be home. I couldn't be away eighty nine percent ofthe time like I used to be. So that served a purpose. Butthat wasn't fun. But it was fun. It was fun in a way thatthat Sydney was closer. Well, it's have to purpose for our marriagebecause it said about yeah, then you've got then you got cal Ghouli,which is a mining town but a great place for kids to go up.Orange was a sort of step up from us, like a much more vibrantcity, a lot more happening in orange because you had good restaurants and good, you know, wine festivals. Plus... was close to the Sydney sothat when locky in and well, you didn't really get to live at homebecause we left by the team. You were so but lock used to getto go down to Sydney pretty regularly, so that was good fun. Thenyou've got the three, the two cities. You Got Melbourne and Brisbane. It'sa toss it. Then the Townsville. I wouldn't look, I wouldn't.I my feeling is if group two more, Calgooli and orange, atthe same sort of level that they were there for, you wouldn't live there. If you had a choice, you wouldn't live there. Right Townsville.I enjoyed townsville, towns it was good fun. The weather's awesome, lotsof again, lots and lots of things to do, a very different lifestyle. But it's been so long since we since we lived there, you knowit's like. But I definitely could go back there. And then you gotthe two big you got the city. So I don't know. I struggle, struggle between Melbourne and Brisbane. I mean, look, I got tobe honest, my preferred place to Sydney. Sydney to me, you know we'remom and dad didn't live there, but Sydney to me as my numberone. So that cities are always going to come below the same and I'mnever lived there. But I love Melbourne because of its vibrant like it's hugeand there's so much do, the so many things to do, but theway this shit and the football ship. So that's why it's also toss thecoin some days, like Brisbane. But then Brisbane you didn't really live inBrisbane. You lived on the Gold Coast. So that's the thing. When youguy lived in Brisbane, but every weekend we go down the coast.So you're not really it's not that city, it's more of an area. Yeah, so I had one. Yeah, it is. It is a hardone to write. It's because you're with such a wonderful woman for,you know, at all of them around, because of because nature, of course, my friends, and you know, we never on our own. Suchlots of goods. I think I always, when we moved around,I always took on I always took chameleon. Yeah, that's right, we're no, I swopped Cambel out in the cow Galley Hospital. But you know, that's a bit of I think. Yeah, I think each place serveda different put it different, not trying to our belt, and and theywere good notches because we made them good notches. So I always whenever wemoved to a new place, I always had the philosophy of I could sitinside these, you know, our house, wherever we lived, and get reallydepressed and not meet anyone, not know anyone. But what, whatpurpose was that going to serve? So so you had to make an effort. So whether it was, I mean tomorrow in towns where we obviously hadn'thad a family yet. So that would that was get that smile off yourface for us. So that was more of a more about getting, youknow, finding employment. I mean praser always had jobs before we ever movedto the new place, which was a good thing. That sort of letme then have time to look for jobs. So that was sort of more aboutpeople that you met through work. But then when we when we oncewe moved to orange, you know, and that was where we first boughtour first family home and we spent a lot of time making that home andpainting and and doing those sorts of things that lots of young couples doing wherewe had Lachlan and Hamish. So that was good for that reason. And, as phrases said, it was very close to Sydney, within and drive. So that was really good for US starting out as a family with twoyoung kids. It was in driving distance, closer to Sydney, so it wasgood for that. But and then caw Gholey was different again. Thatwas a that was a long way away from our family in Sydney, butit was good as far as the mining companies companies wanted to keep families there, so they used to spend a lot of money. So I got heavilyinvolved in the in the family play group center that you're all used to goto, and high mission Campbell, you always used to the two out ofthe three of you. So used to be a race to the arm tothe fairy costume box and the wings and the high heeled shoes that that youtwo used to raise towards when we got there stood to this day. I'llget their first solid so that was a good place as well. But youdefinitely I need primary age school children there. We didn't want to be there afterthat. A lot of people used... send their kids to boarding schoolin Perth. So I think Brisbane for me probably, if on a whole, if I was to take everything into account, I would probably say Brisbanewould be at the top of my list because I had a really good circleof friends and I think when you're dropping off kids to primary school you're muchmore in the school, you're waiting outside classrooms, you're doing parent help atschool. You create really firm, solid friendships that I still have to thisday. And Yeah, we did travel down to the Gold Coast and yousurrounded by a lot of beautiful places in Brisbane and it's a bit like abig country town. But I do love Melbourne as well. But I thinkBrisbane probably probably was number one in Melbourne is number too, if your lifedepended on it. Just quick, one, twenty, six, come up.There's no, there's no reply. I would go for me, Iwould probably go Brisbane, Melbourne, Brisbane, Melbourne. This is probably orange,Calgary, townsfull and tomorrow last, or just not including that? Yeah, look, that'll do the cause been cup. Yeah, probably tomorrow last. I would be Brisbane, Melbourne, towns, will calgoolee, then orangeand tomorrow. Not Big Fan of original New South Wales. I really enjoyedif I could live in Brisbane with the job I've got now and my familyback up there. Yeah, I'd leave Melbourne like the next five minutes.That hurts my feelings, seeing as a me and my older brother were bothfrom Regional New South Wales. So thanks praise. We mentioned a bit earlierof mom likely. There we go. We mentioned a bit earlier. We'vebeen fortunate enough to go on a few great family holidays in the last maybeseven or eight years so quickly would you like? What's your favorite holiday?Is it the most recent why we've been on, or is there another one? Shock candidate, watch, a most favorite family holiday? For me itwas the one we just went on to the UK. And yeahs a reason. Or I was so excited because I hadn't been there before and I've obviouslyseen so much about it and heard so much about it, because a coupleof you guys had been there. Camel and I were the only ones thathadn't been there. So I was so excited. I was like a littlegirl and a candy shop walking along that street for the first time, seeingred telephone boxes and everything that you see on telling any movies, the RedDouble Decker buses, and it was just a great time. We had justgreat chats, just traveling in the car, singing songs together, great quizzes byme. Yeah, great quizzes which are still don't get how we lostthat quiz that night. Yeah, when camell was scoring. I think mathshas got a lot to answer to with that child. But but yeah,I think that's one. I think I loved Canada as well. I lovedCanada, our Canada holiday and that was to still with the family, everyonebeing able to go, but also being able to share that with another family, the press family, give a shout out in Brisbane that it's a familythat we really get along well with and because we don't spend a lot oftime outside of our family unit with other people, it's yeah, we allget on really well. So I'll probably think those two holidays phrase, yeah, look the same. I thought the holiday just recently in UK was outstandingjust because, you know, we got to do so much. Like me, every day was another adventure and you guys good ages. And then Ilike whistler of the well, it was all the hold actually in the sameyear. Its whistled in January and London in December. So whistler was justfantastic because, you know, I hit my marks and my snowboarding, soI was out there. Yeah, no, they're the best. I really enjoyI enjoyed both those. All right, final question to wrap up today's proceedings. Thanks a lot for joining me. The final question where? So youtalked a bit about where you've lived your past, where you've been lastfew years. Where do you see yourself retiring to? So, like where'syour it could be a dream location or actually realistic one, depending on whatyou want. Look, that's a really... and I I mean first ofall, mom's younger than me. She's not facing retirement and as quickly asI am. I don't know. I mean I don't think I'll be.Well, depends where you guys go. I mean wherever you guys go,we won't be too far behind you. So you're not getting rid of us. I think it'd be pretty sad that if we sat in Melbourne and youguys weren't here at find that really hard. I like I'd like to mean.Obviously you guys are going off do your own things, so that's youknow, that's life. You know you'll you'll move. But where would Ilike to retire to? I mean that you have fantasy retirements and you havea real retirement. To me, Gold Coast for me like cool and gutterbecause I think it's knee Brisbane. Mum Gets to be around a friends,awesome weather, you're on the beach, lots of things to do and it'sjust a great lifestyle. You know, and I think when you're when you'vedone what we've done, you go. Well, I want to live somewherewhich is really nice. You'LD have to worry about the weather. So Ithink that's it. In a fantasy retirement, like a few years to be London. I mean I'd love to go to live in London for two years, but we could do that. I'd have to go there with work orsomehow wrangle a job based in London. But London or Edinburgh, you know, like their fantasy periods. But yeah, I'd love to do that. Butlong term I reckon Queensland. Yeah, everyone else. Yeah, yeah,we doat and night thrust around this subject everyst so often, probably moreoften recently. But Yeah, so's Dad said, like covid makes you thinkyour whole life differently because, yeah, particularly me, I'm getting spends somuch time in my family, which is unusual and I'm loving it. I'mto be honest with you. I you know, you walk out to thecar today, and usually on a Sunday afternoon, by through a clock,you start to look at you watch, going well, what times my planetomorrow morning? And you guys know that a for o'clock. I actually allmy start shutting down because you actually go into the psychological state that you haveto get ready to go. So you lock everything down, your packing badge, you're going to like a Zombie state until you get on that plane.So it's a great feeling right now when I get to the car today andI go well, I don't have to worry about that. I don't knockon anyway. So I think the questions you're asking about the future comes reallyracing up harder because you go, will do I really want to do whatI'm doing right now? I don't know. I really don't know. So that'schange things. But Nicole, yeah, so coming back I'm probably the samespace, probably the same space as dad, I'd say, like Ireally yeah, when you when you retire, you do want you do want tohave nice, be in a place when where it's Nice, whether whereyou enjoy, where you can walk along the beach. For us, youknow, I have the live in an area where the real estate is stillaffordable so that you can, if you've got, if you're lucky enough tohave money, to travel that. Like Dad and I would love to keepon traveling and have fun and go skiing and cash in on those cheaper oldietickets on the slopes. Love. How wait till that day. But butyeah, I'm I'll probably a social distancing. So I'll be. Yeah, I'mprobably about the same as DAB with that and I would love to sortof it is. It is a very hard question, though, Hamish,because I mean, I'm sure every parent comes to this, or maybe theydon't, because maybe they're not, maybe they're not as close as our familyunity is. But I'd hate to be in a place where, and Iknow you guys have got to fly the coop eventually and and live your ownlife, but don't think we're going to follow you and that we don't expectso forbid, always ready for us. So I think we've got Campbell signup on that idea. Will Soo, he's playing along with maybe tomment.Dad. You I get shafted, I get shofted, I might have tocome to your place or sleep on the floor of your room if I'm ifyou guys are sharing. But but yeah, London, I loved London. Itwas Um. It'd be a great experience for a while, I think, just explore. But yeah, I still come back to somewhere like cooland Gutta, or I mean the place is in Sydney that would like tolive. I mean we'd have to live in a very small apartment real estatewise, but that would be another that would probably be the second on thelist as well. You'll be like I over having a house right next tothat. Every Sunday I could just peer over my back fence and it doesreality. Yeah, I knew that would be on the cards. And weknow I'm just jump over again because I...

...just think about I excuse me,phraends, I don't think you just bet. You wouldn't be peering over the fence. That like heart. You be yelling instructions and abuse over the fenceat the coach and the team. Let's be honest, we're very fortunate.In my life and work, I travel so much and you won't stop traveling. So, as mom said, you'll have a base somewhere, but you'llkeep rolling in a bus. You know, expect you guys to be living thesame life. If there's if there's one thing that I hope that I'veinstalled in you, is a sense of the sense of adventure to travel,because I think that's the key to life. If you get off your ass anddo things in travel, life's fun. I think that's a beautiful note.To end on a very wholesome phrase. I'm very wholesome from to absolute legendsof the game. I just like to quickly thank you both being greatparents giving me the opportunity to have a great education, not writing atensign justgreat. You just we just had a great up upbringing. Campbell loock andI very fortunate. So thanks to being great parents, great people, andthanks for joining us on the on the ball podcast. Thanks for having USand thanks for being a great part of our family.

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