On The Ball
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Episode 5 · 2 years ago

My Parents - Episode 4


The host, Hamish, is joined by his parents, Nicole and Fraser, for a brief interview about their lives and life in general

Cheese settle. All right, welcome back to episode four of the on the ball podcast. Today is a different one. Last episode was a change of pace with the marvel movies with my younger brother, Campbell, but today's going to even be more of a change of pace, I'd say. Now we're into we've gone from fast following to medium bowling to spin bowling, and I'm here sitting with my two creators, my two rocks, my two heroes, I would say, my two parents, Nicole and phrase. I'll welcome to the on the wall podcast. Hello. Thanks for having us, Harrysh yeah, no worry, it's welcome to my studio. That is definitely not dad's work study. So pretty much today we're just gonna have it. You know, Nashril Acts Chart on our Sunday Alvo, just going to discuss how everyone's going. I've got a few questions here about your pass as a couple. I'm not interested in your individual lives, as that they could be episodes to come. I'm not looking to get too deep here today. We don't want to be breaking down with bad thoughts on our Sunday afternoon. So yeah, we're just have a relaxed conversation and nice little chat. So is that sound good? Guys? Sounds Excellent Hamish. Yeah, exactly. All right. You guys look nervous. How are you guys coping in isolation? I know I don't want to talk about it too much because that's all we talk about these days. But how are you going? Well, I'm kicking out of the park because I've got an office. I'm very, very fortunate. First of all, we got to we've got a decent house. Your kids are at the right age. I mean I talk to my teammates at work lots. You've got young kids and it's a much different environment for them because the stress you young kids and having to school them and things like that. So working from working remotely for me is fine because because of travel so much, I actually do a lot of work and hotel rooms and airports and she's get used to it and unfortunate that my job you can do that. So from a from a work point of view, it's good. From a personal point of view, it's starting to drag now. The like a sport. I'm not a big TV watcher, but so I am. So I run every day just to escape it. But you feel like a mouse in a mouse cage. We are inside the cage and then they're the thing. You've got his a little wheel on the side to run around it. So yeah, I think it's starting to get a bit dull and if you're starting to feel a bit trapped, to be honest. M Yeah, been traveling okay, I have. I have days that like I'm really enjoying having the family around and that's been good and it's been great having phraser around a bit more, because he does travel quite a bit with his family. So we've had some really nice times out in the backyard in the sunshine. On those particular days you want the microphone back to steady on. So that's been good. Work wise for me, I haven't been working as much supporting the kids at pair say academy. So yeah, that's that's been a bit hard because I do thrive on a bit of structure and I get a bit lost with him myself when I don't have as much to do. You know, I mean there's always a thousand and one things you can do around your house and Housework and tidying and stuff like that, but that's a bit dull. So and I do miss the contact with the kids because it's a small school. We're quite a close knit family, so I have been missing that. But fortunately, you know, to have a laptop and and we catch up on zoom every morning with the kids in a meeting from school. So that's been really nice to set their faces and, as phrases said, we're very fortunate as a family. We have a lovely home that's quite spacious to hang out in with everybody and everyone's got their own spaces, if not more. And also, yeah, we all get on pretty well, like the five of us really get on and enjoy each other's company. Might be speaking out of turn there, but I think we I think we can get on pretty well and it's true what prayers is said. I mean I've said to friends like thank goodness I don't have toddlers or or primary school age kids. So yeah, some but yeah, it is. I'm draggging on a little bit, but you...

...know, all in this together, all right. So, as you mentioned, we are quite I would say we're very close family. Like it's hard to say looking from the outside in other families because you don't know really what they do behind closed doors, but I would say we're closer than like my friends, families and people we know. Do you? Is there a reason why you reckon that is? Is it because we may be traveled as a like we had to move where we lived, or jacking a something to do with like your upbringings or like? Why do you reckon that is? I look, I think multiple answers. He how me, I need to spare them that. Well, I think. Well, if you go back to my background, coming from Scotland, I came out just drove the very tight family. That's all we knew. We didn't know anyone, and so that really grew a family sort of environment for me, very strong family environment. So when I grew up and then I had my own family, you replicate what you know. You're always going to replicate what you know. I think the other thing too, is that is what you said. We've traveled so much, like we jump around Australia a lot and when we go to new cities we've only got each other, like when we came to Melbourne and two thousand and thirteen has just does and so you do look inwards. And then the other thing too, I think with my travel, with work, when I come home, I want to be with my family. I don't want to be with other people like I want to spend time in my family, and I think also mom and dad, we take a huge amount of interest in you kids, like you know, we like what you do, you know, like going of the cricket, like on the sport with you. So I think we're all got common shared interests which makes it easy. But I think that's a big one. I think it's some I think it's driven by just it's what we are and the way we travel and so, as result we've become a close unit. I mean, you could answer that question as well. Why you guys are still hang around the house before home. Should answer is the answers that intriguing question, which is father, and I really want eager to know the answer. Me, I I actually agree with everything prays the said, but I also of course I do, just on a few occasions, but I do agree with them. You know, when we have moved around and phrases sort of being able to go off to work because we've moved to a new place because of his job. So straight away he's sort of working and we work things out together. We work out schools, houses, we make decisions together and I think very much. Apart from that, it's quite an open communication family. So we've always really encouraged the kids to that they can talk to us about anything. Were always made ourselves available for them to have a chat, be out front about when they when they came to age to possibly start drinking, to be up front and honest about that and not sort of hide it. So so yeah, I think I think that's why we're pretty close. Unless you can shed some light on that subject image that we might not know about. Well, that's why I asked, because I'm just interested, because I like it's a I feel like it's always been hard to explain and sometimes, like my mates find it, as you know, my mates find it quite peculiar when I'll like turn down the opportunity to go out because I'd rather actually spend my Sunday night watching then are real or just like watching a movie with my family. So I feel like just like an interesting thing to think about because you just don't really know, like it's not hard to determine what like makes a dynamic, especially in a family, because it's just the way things have always been. kind of like there's not really it's hard to pinpoint one thing that kind of created it. But yeah, I guess well done to you guys. I love my family environment. So for it's on that one. I mean we got I mean it's a reflection of you guys as well. I mean you're pretty easy. I mean Campbell can be a bit weird sometimes, but you know, you're pretty easy young guys. So you use sort of flex into what we do, like we you know. So I think that makes a big difference as well. I think also to like, while you have similar interests, you've all also all got your own individual personalities and individual interests. But I think we've always encouraged you to support each other's interests. So, whilst it might not be your favorite thing to do for yourself, your sibling likes to do it. So we've always encouraged you to to support that. And I...

...remember, like, even when we used to live in Brisbane and friends it sort of make comments to me how the kids, you know, always want to do this and that each day of the holidays and stuff like that, and I just didn't I just turned around to them and, you know, I said I've got it pretty crazy because my kids are just happy hanging around the house together, playing with one another, which is probably been good, I think. Also, even though you can have like a boy and a girl, but I think it does help maybe having three of the same sex. They sort of look to each other possibly a little bit more then maybe if we just had two kids. Mom was a girl, mom was a boy. Yeah, and like, not saying girls can't be into like video games or backyard cricket, but like when we used to have a backyard or Campbell, not as much, but like we would often play in the backyard together or like at the moment, like we're playing a lot of playstation together and like with each other's mate. So yeah, that's probably a good point. Back to your back to your cheap below of why we still high. I think it's a bit of a stretch. Man. The oldest is only twenty one. If I'm correct, my my sister was, my two sisters, were they still home twenty one, they might have been gone by them. But a different times. Yeah, exactly. Now. Now you got to work like full time, like ten years and I don't believe for to house twenty three when I finished university and then. So what are you on about, mad but the only reason I have that reason. Like yeah, but I'd gone off and done a couple of stints in the you know, the gold industry. Yeah, and then then mine, I had my degree. I had no option, and that was a big struggle for me, was that I had to live my house because I once I got my degree on you want to be a duologist, I had to leave Sydney and that that was a crisis which is a whole another podcast which we've gone for hours. Did you did you find it easy moving out or, like, found it really hard? I mean I well, I had to go to Norseman in, which is near Calgoli, for six months as a student and I found that a little bit difficult, but you sort of go, well, this is what I'm doing. But then when I finally graduated and I think I got offer three jobs and I took they're all in West Australia and I took one. I went and did it for two months, three months, and I quit because it just missed my family and MS and my lifestyle in Sydney, and so I gave it up. When worked and totally it, got out of it and was going to go off and do something completely different because I found it a real struggle and it's always. Even now when I'm jumping on a plane, it's a struggle some days like that's good thing about what we're going through right now is I don't have to travel without my family, which is a big plus. Do you think you struggled away from home at the start because, like, you actually missed your family members always it more just like not living with a bunch of people, like did you struggle living alone and like the actually stuff of look, what's the running at us, like you jumped to it. Yeah, it's I've struggled with the word the isolation of where you were like in the middle of nowhere and living with in big camps with people you didn't know. And I was a youngest by far, like by far, whereas when I went to capital city, I went to Brisbane on my own, I didn't find that as hard because it was in the city and around normal things, and so I found that but yeah, I miss my mom and dad and miss my sisters, you know. So that was a bit hard at first. When, when did you move out? One I didn't get thrown out, but I did leave. I did leave I wanted to make a fresh start wanted to move away from some stress within my family that I grown up with. So I did move to Queensland to to make a fresh start and I moved for a job and, back in the day, you know, for a little bit of romance as well, which actually wasn't with phraser. That's another story, but but led me to phrase at which is the main point here. O regret. But Yeah, I was twenty one. I'd sort of gone away for a few months before twenty one and I'm yet twenty one lock and I did move up to Townsville at twenty one. I had a job, our fulltime job, and that was great and I love that and I didn't move back home after that. So yeah, that was me. So basically, like I didn't locks times coming, I didn't Miss I didn't Miss Home as much as dad did. I was, you know, I wasn't as in a remote... like phrase. It was, you know, back in out in out back Western Australia. So yeah, so I was sort of Townsville, which sort it was a slow city, like a big country town, really mainly set up for the army. So but it was it was nice up there, good weather and enjoyed it, enjoy it. Did a little bit of traveling around and and work, just on short stints. But yeah, even I was home till twenty three. My tear out. He did now. But I just tell you what the difference is. My parents, because they, you know, they didn't have the money that you know different times, so they traveled on their own for the so basically, from sixteen onwards, I didn't go aund hold those mom, Dad, where's you guys still come with us, and I think that makes me get invited. It's not like we but the reason we do, the reason I was just going to say, the reason why I want you to be there, because I do. I travel lots on my own and you want to share things that I've seen with my family. So I think that makes a huge difference as well, as you get older, that you still still doing things as a family unit, not just going over too old to hang around mom and dad, which is it's a bit strange for you guys. And also I not I tell I tell my hot are you guys, because I feel like, compared to most families who are in like a similar like class to us, like social, econonomic class, they go on to holidays a lot earlier, like, for example, were in the last few years. We've been lucky enough to do a trip to North America and the UK and, like a lot of my mates, did that when they were like fourteen fifteen, and I think you can't just take it in a lot more. So I actually I'm very grateful to be invited on things image. That's lovely for you to say, but I think too, there's a couple of reasons for that. We we wanted to achieve a few things for the security of our family when you guys were young. It's a lot. I mean, whilst it can be cheaper traveling with younger kids, I don't know whether it's easier. And also, I guess you know, how much do younger kids really keeping their memory banks and appreciate the places that you take them, whereas now, you know, we can have some really good chats as a family when we discover new places together and have conversations, and I think that's something that binds is to because, as you guys have gotten older, a lot of the conversations we have and we bring up things that have happened in the past on our holidays with the with the press, which is another close family that we've done a few holidays with funny things that have happened on those times that we've shared together, and they're the really important things that are just too precious to to not have had experience. So yeah, so you've talked a bit. I was thinking of some questions last night to ask you guys, as you are just searched fascinating subjects. Well, we are, but well, you like to think you are. Rise has been so long since, you know, my podcast debut. So like Racknteur of good stories, good times, you love, you're full of it. So a lot to change since like the S and s when you guys were growing up and aging, which can you say you were growing up in the s? Yeah, yeah, so you grow up in the S and S. Well, I went to school in the s and university in the early S. Yeah, yeah, so is there anything? So lots obviously change from now. We don't have flying cars, we don't have hoverboard. So back to the future. You know it's not correct. Yeah, yeah, I wanted so much more. Far failed predictions, but that's where you KFC. I was looking for. That never happens. If there's something you could bring from now and like take back to your childhood and upbringing, like what would you take back? Like there's something that is changed in society now. It can be like a physical thing, like if you want the Internet, you can take that back, or if it's like something that's just like families are just like, I don't know, looser now. Or is there something that you would change about your upbringing that you see now in like families growing up? The would maybe, I don't know, just more enjoyments to better experience when you were growing up. I look for me would be cheaper, ifest like traveling. Well, until covid crisis,...

...traveling now compared to when you were kids is huge. Be Difference. A lot cheaper to travel now. So if you could take back that you would change. I'm not sure about the Internet. You know, it's like from the ease of doing things, like, you know, the the fact that you can have instantaneous information, you can watch whatever you want, you can do whatever you want really, but then you didn't have I look back, I was just thing as you ask that question. Would I really want it? If you didn't know you had it, you wouldn't want to. So but yeah, I suppose you could you got to say you'd want some of it because you it would be good. But I look at all the things that I did growing up, I didn't need it. Like I look back down, instead of watching, you know, instead of wasting time the Internet, you actually out doing things, like you're going sporting of it, because you had to do things like if you want to see sport, you had to go to sport. Yeah, because you wouldn't see it on TV. So you're a lot more active. I think, not that we're not active. I don't know. Maybe, maybe I don't know. Well, look, I mean if there's also a health aspect to that, there's more more in technology around health and people living longer, and maybe if you learned things when you're younger that would have a change. But then we've been really fortunate. We really haven't had a lot of health issues in our family. You know, my mom's about a billion years old still life. So yeah, I don't know, I'm Eysh I. I don't know if I take much back. I think I think it's more a question. What would you I think it's more of an individual thing. Is that I look back now and what other things about me when I was in my when I was in my teens and twenties that I would change. So I think it's more that it's not technology, is not gadgets, it's my life experiences and the things that I've learned that I would like to take back. Well, you think everything about this will go to mums for her answer, but think about this. So what about the other way? Like I said, something that you guys didn't have that we have now growing up in the twenty one century that you wish, like kids didn't have access to or didn't have, like there's something like Jewish social media didn't exist for kids growing up. I'll know I look like I think communic. Join an answer mom. Mom Can answer this first, but I'm just saying good. Just just ponder on that second part because I want to give you time to prepare a good answer. So the question was you guys grew up in like the S and s. You guys grew up in the S and s and now, obviously you're bringing up a family in the twenty one century. So the question is, is there something that you see nowadays in the way you've brought us up that you wish you could take back to your childhood? And apply. It could either be like a dynamical like a relationship of family, or like a genuine physical thing, like a technological innovation. I think outside the box. He Hay. Mean, all right, I write it and throw it out there. It's unlucky you for me and I don't want to go too deep, but it is pretty dame for me saying what my family dynamics is like. I wish this family, our immediate family, the mccorcodiles, you and your children, yes, and my husband, and we'll bring him with. An't have a dog or account much time. What's can I must came Campbell's discussed well, your PA. That's you enough. So I would like to take back to my ten ags, to my family, the way our family dynamics and time. That wow. I wish that my childhood family could have been like our immediate family is. Yeah, all right. I won't ask to any further questions on that because I know it's a deep topic with some unfortunately serious like drama. But I respect that, and so I'm sure anyone who, like grew up in a broken home or a family the signs privileged as us, would like wish that that could be different. But for the some people are put aren't broken homes don't any different. Yeah, that's and they're happy. So it's a you know, yeah, and often like pushes preful to strive for excellence. Actually, like as I was watching the NFL draft on the weekend and I saw people taking the piss out of it on twitter, which I actually thinks a bit stiff. But most the draft he's actually like come from tragedy or like a broken home. Who's they probably realize that they've got to work hard to get somewhere in this world. I think that's right. I mean it's I think you do, like it does help you strive for things.

Like like my grandmother, for instance, was always, you know, pitting her children up, you know, against each other and causing family drama, and my brothers and sisters sort of had sort of said to each other, we're never going to let you know arguments or things come between us, sort of thing. As we're growing up and we're older. So I'm we sort of saw that as not a way that we wanted to go. So I think that sort of can drive you and you saw things along the way and you went. I didn't, I don't, you know, that happened and you know, mum did. My Mum did the best to her ability. But in hindsight I don't want to live my life like that or make those choices and I could see how I could change things. So yeah, I think that just because you come from broken home, that's no excuse play the pitty party or victim, you know, like you mentioned about the NFL draft before. There's no that's no reason to, you know, say you don't know any different, because I think you see enough on social media, through the television, through movies, through friends about how things, you know, should develop amongst family and family relationships and how things were work. So I don't think that's really ever an excuse for you know, it might, it's it can make it harder for people to break out of cycles if they've, you know, growing up in situations, you know, less desirable, but we've got now drugs or, you know, violence or stuff like that. But I think it's possible to break those cycles. So, Dad, what would you eliminate from like the I don't know, the the raising of a child experience in the twenty one century, like would you what have you seen in our childhoods that you like wish you could change and an element of your childhood could like, still remain. I think it's some simplicity of life. I look at what you guys do as kids and you got too much on. I think the demands of schools are too great. I think you've you've got sport. When you you build up, and I mean particularly you boys with the sport and dancing, if you build that all up on top of your school, if it's huge, and I think I didn't have that. I mean I but I didn't play sport like you guys did, so I had a lot more spare time. But I think that's one thing I would do, is that it's a trying to make your life's a little bit more simple, and I think a lot of that is I look, I said, it'll work. You know, it's just instant demand for information. People now want everything now, and I think schools are the same. They want everything now. So I think, think, I think if one thing we could, I would like to change is to make your life's a little bit more simple and let you enjoy your life's because you're only a kid and you're only young for small proportion of your life, so you should really enjoy it, but I just worry that there's so much pressure. Of Mean, whether it's at school or whether you want to be in rep cricket or REP football or whatever, there's just pressure, pressure, pressure on your kids and I think a lot of that is there. And then I think the horrendous thing is this bullying on social media. I just think it's horrendous, and I mean not I was a victim of real bullying at school because it's small, but you lived that because it was there in your face when you left the school playground at the afternoon. You didn't have it phone your home, whereas I think this environment we're in right now of just where it's just absolutely hostile at all levels. I just think it's atrocious and so I'd love to get that out of your life's make your life simple, but fortunately for you guys, you seem to manage that pretty well. Good answer faith. I think I'd actually I was even before dad mentioned he's things that he would take out of today and put it back. I think I actually agree with phraser. I think it your kids life is a very small proportion of the rest of your life and I think that, yeah, I think it's almost like it's a shame about the social media thing because people, some people just revolve their lives around social media and there their life is to make other people's life miserable and they could comment on people they don't even have a relationship with on social... and and say very hurtful, hurtful things to someone else whom they don't even know, and that I actually understand the impact of their comments or the repercussions that are for the person that they've made the comment towards. And I think too, that things could be a bit slower, families could appreciate time a little bit more to spend with one another and maybe maybe relationships wouldn't family relationships wouldn't break down so quickly and readily now, I think, and I think the outside influence, I mean the outside influences, things like it's a lot easier and the drugs that maybe are out there in the community are a lot more fierce and addictive and and that sort of thing nowadays. But yeah, bit slower and just to enjoy like life for not those pressures. I think social media destroys kids childhoods because, you know, I've had to tell if I'd tell young phraser what to do, you know, like back in the S, it would be do what you want to do and don't worry about what people think and take chances. I mean, if you if there's one thing that's in stall into you, mother, you boys and everyone, you've got to take chances every day to live your life to the fullest problem is with social media you are forced to conform and you see that at all levels of life, not just family life. You see it's sporting stars, you see it with politicians. Everyone has to conform to this consensus and all that's going to do is crush people and you lose that freedom. So that's that's why it's bad. It's not just a bullying, it's a it's a confirmat it's it's destroying the individuality, which that's what you got to be as a human being. Talking of individuals, and we have three individuals in this household that you guys brought up. Who Do you start with, mom first? Who Do you see more in out of us three each like, who do you see more in yourself, and who do you see more like phrase in? And then you can have your crack out of that. I know you're chomping at the bit over there. Not Not physically. I'm talking personality. I don't care that we're rangers and DAD's ranger. That's that's a copper and it doesn't have to be. Hamish is the best bloke and I'm a good bloke. So that's it. Like I'm talking personality traits. So sort of where I was heading. But you know, that's a hard one, Hamish, because I see bits and pieces of you all, I say bits and pieces of me in you all. I don't. I don't think. I really don't think you, any of you, look like me. I think Lochlin's Lacklin has some features that look very much like my brothers, especially across the eyes and the mouth sort of thing. But yeah, personality wise, Campbell and Lachlin are quite similar. They can jump onto an idea or a fad and play it to death or do it to death. They're very they can be structured, they can be quite structured, and I'm quite structured. I like to do if I do something, I like to do it, do it well. But then I can see that attribute come from you. I mess you can be, I can worry about what other people think. And unfortunately I've passed that. Why don't you? Thanks. And I can be a warrior and a person who worries, not a musical warrior. Yeah, and no, no, not a and our warrior. Let me tell you all we want once for warriors, if you know the movie. But yes, I've thought. Yeah, I can say my personality a lot in Hamish in you, I think, my social part of me. I can see more in Lachlin. And Lachlan, as he's gotten older, though, like Lachlin eighteen plus, I can see he's social personality, my social...

...personality in Him. But yes, I think the lucky and Campbell's chill back nature comes much more from Fraser than I. So sorry about that, Homi, but Hamish I have passed on my kindness and thoughtful most to you, I'm afraid. Yeah, caught that Kenvil and yeah, everking really here? Oh, no, I think he's. Yeah, he's gonna give me though. He's later, but you know he's really standing at the door waiting for these man. Yeah, okay, you're underpressure now phrase. What about you mate? Yeah, look, it's like I can see one thing I've got as a huge self drive and a huge self motivation and Campbell's got that in spades. So, out of the three boys, I see that mostly in Campbell. I see locks deep obsession with things. That's me because I go deep on things and get obsessed my sense of human place. I can see it all three. If you are can at times, you can be all yeah, like I think all three of them's got a good sense of humor, which I have as well. Oh, I think I'm a bit I'm not like mom. I'm very much I'm happy in my own skin. So I'm like lock. I'm happy to be on my own. I don't need people around me. I enjoy when people around me, but I don't need them. So locks got that. But I've also got big in securities, which you've got you worried. But the difference with you, Hamish. You you're completely different to measure, a complete finisher. I'm not. I'm an eight twenty guy, like close enough is good enough for me. Whatever I do, I mean what I like. I've got a little bat, I know. I mean you've got lots of you're very hard like. I don't need to get around. You don't need to get you're very caring. I mean month thing that you've. One thing you've all got that I don't have is just sporting and dancing capability. Mean that's just amazing. So that must come from because I look at all three, few, all three, if you mean. Yeah, probably not as close academically as me. Or you're all a bit off the large exercide like actually, not now I think you're also, there's no, no, I think you're a bits farther than all three of us. Yeah, but I like not not pumping up your tires, for you are very intell. So yeah, I think it's there's bits of pieces, but your model by there's some bad things about my like. E. There's bad things about my back, my personality that you haven't got, which is good. I've not, I think. So I've got just a destructive side to my personality, which is not good, but I manage that really hard and really close and I haven't seen that in any three for you, which is good. All right, good answers from birth you or full marks. I would say all or I'd say you. Guys were both talking about earlier in a previous question about how you moved out at home and you didn't actually live in the same city. You moved away quite dramatically in this great big land, this the great big southern land. Where is? You've lived in many places, like six or something. I would like nothing too deep here, but I'd like you to rank. You can do this together or you can have a spokesperson or whatever. I'd like you to rank your the places you guys have lived together. Well, we can. Let's so listening. List let's just list where we yeah, first, so we obviously lived in Sydney, but we lived, mom and dad lived in different parts of Sydney. I'm talking when you're together. So after the pointed together. Well, towns will we started. Then we went to tomorrow in New South Wales. Then we went to Orange, cal Ghoulie, Brisbane and now Melbourne, to six. So we got a rank that. Yeah, I want one to six, one being the best sixpand the world. I mean obviously. I mean, yeah, it's daughter compare. Well, use you. That's right. You Tomorrow's two thousand people. Did you enjoy that or not? Look, I did something for me that we needed to do, and that was the reason dad took that job was I didn't have to travel. So for two or three years I was home every night. So that was important at the beginning of my marriage because I wanted to give mum for my matter, our marriage to work. I had to be home. I couldn't be away eighty nine percent of the time like I used to be. So that served a purpose. But that wasn't fun. But it was fun. It was fun in a way that that Sydney was closer. Well, it's have to purpose for our marriage because it said about yeah, then you've got then you got cal Ghouli, which is a mining town but a great place for kids to go up. Orange was a sort of step up from us, like a much more vibrant city, a lot more happening in orange because you had good restaurants and good, you know, wine festivals. Plus... was close to the Sydney so that when locky in and well, you didn't really get to live at home because we left by the team. You were so but lock used to get to go down to Sydney pretty regularly, so that was good fun. Then you've got the three, the two cities. You Got Melbourne and Brisbane. It's a toss it. Then the Townsville. I wouldn't look, I wouldn't. I my feeling is if group two more, Calgooli and orange, at the same sort of level that they were there for, you wouldn't live there. If you had a choice, you wouldn't live there. Right Townsville. I enjoyed townsville, towns it was good fun. The weather's awesome, lots of again, lots and lots of things to do, a very different lifestyle. But it's been so long since we since we lived there, you know it's like. But I definitely could go back there. And then you got the two big you got the city. So I don't know. I struggle, struggle between Melbourne and Brisbane. I mean, look, I got to be honest, my preferred place to Sydney. Sydney to me, you know we're mom and dad didn't live there, but Sydney to me as my number one. So that cities are always going to come below the same and I'm never lived there. But I love Melbourne because of its vibrant like it's huge and there's so much do, the so many things to do, but the way this shit and the football ship. So that's why it's also toss the coin some days, like Brisbane. But then Brisbane you didn't really live in Brisbane. You lived on the Gold Coast. So that's the thing. When you guy lived in Brisbane, but every weekend we go down the coast. So you're not really it's not that city, it's more of an area. Yeah, so I had one. Yeah, it is. It is a hard one to write. It's because you're with such a wonderful woman for, you know, at all of them around, because of because nature, of course, my friends, and you know, we never on our own. Such lots of goods. I think I always, when we moved around, I always took on I always took chameleon. Yeah, that's right, we're no, I swopped Cambel out in the cow Galley Hospital. But you know, that's a bit of I think. Yeah, I think each place served a different put it different, not trying to our belt, and and they were good notches because we made them good notches. So I always whenever we moved to a new place, I always had the philosophy of I could sit inside these, you know, our house, wherever we lived, and get really depressed and not meet anyone, not know anyone. But what, what purpose was that going to serve? So so you had to make an effort. So whether it was, I mean tomorrow in towns where we obviously hadn't had a family yet. So that would that was get that smile off your face for us. So that was more of a more about getting, you know, finding employment. I mean praser always had jobs before we ever moved to the new place, which was a good thing. That sort of let me then have time to look for jobs. So that was sort of more about people that you met through work. But then when we when we once we moved to orange, you know, and that was where we first bought our first family home and we spent a lot of time making that home and painting and and doing those sorts of things that lots of young couples doing where we had Lachlan and Hamish. So that was good for that reason. And, as phrases said, it was very close to Sydney, within and drive. So that was really good for US starting out as a family with two young kids. It was in driving distance, closer to Sydney, so it was good for that. But and then caw Gholey was different again. That was a that was a long way away from our family in Sydney, but it was good as far as the mining companies companies wanted to keep families there, so they used to spend a lot of money. So I got heavily involved in the in the family play group center that you're all used to go to, and high mission Campbell, you always used to the two out of the three of you. So used to be a race to the arm to the fairy costume box and the wings and the high heeled shoes that that you two used to raise towards when we got there stood to this day. I'll get their first solid so that was a good place as well. But you definitely I need primary age school children there. We didn't want to be there after that. A lot of people used... send their kids to boarding school in Perth. So I think Brisbane for me probably, if on a whole, if I was to take everything into account, I would probably say Brisbane would be at the top of my list because I had a really good circle of friends and I think when you're dropping off kids to primary school you're much more in the school, you're waiting outside classrooms, you're doing parent help at school. You create really firm, solid friendships that I still have to this day. And Yeah, we did travel down to the Gold Coast and you surrounded by a lot of beautiful places in Brisbane and it's a bit like a big country town. But I do love Melbourne as well. But I think Brisbane probably probably was number one in Melbourne is number too, if your life depended on it. Just quick, one, twenty, six, come up. There's no, there's no reply. I would go for me, I would probably go Brisbane, Melbourne, Brisbane, Melbourne. This is probably orange, Calgary, townsfull and tomorrow last, or just not including that? Yeah, look, that'll do the cause been cup. Yeah, probably tomorrow last. I would be Brisbane, Melbourne, towns, will calgoolee, then orange and tomorrow. Not Big Fan of original New South Wales. I really enjoyed if I could live in Brisbane with the job I've got now and my family back up there. Yeah, I'd leave Melbourne like the next five minutes. That hurts my feelings, seeing as a me and my older brother were both from Regional New South Wales. So thanks praise. We mentioned a bit earlier of mom likely. There we go. We mentioned a bit earlier. We've been fortunate enough to go on a few great family holidays in the last maybe seven or eight years so quickly would you like? What's your favorite holiday? Is it the most recent why we've been on, or is there another one? Shock candidate, watch, a most favorite family holiday? For me it was the one we just went on to the UK. And yeahs a reason. Or I was so excited because I hadn't been there before and I've obviously seen so much about it and heard so much about it, because a couple of you guys had been there. Camel and I were the only ones that hadn't been there. So I was so excited. I was like a little girl and a candy shop walking along that street for the first time, seeing red telephone boxes and everything that you see on telling any movies, the Red Double Decker buses, and it was just a great time. We had just great chats, just traveling in the car, singing songs together, great quizzes by me. Yeah, great quizzes which are still don't get how we lost that quiz that night. Yeah, when camell was scoring. I think maths has got a lot to answer to with that child. But but yeah, I think that's one. I think I loved Canada as well. I loved Canada, our Canada holiday and that was to still with the family, everyone being able to go, but also being able to share that with another family, the press family, give a shout out in Brisbane that it's a family that we really get along well with and because we don't spend a lot of time outside of our family unit with other people, it's yeah, we all get on really well. So I'll probably think those two holidays phrase, yeah, look the same. I thought the holiday just recently in UK was outstanding just because, you know, we got to do so much. Like me, every day was another adventure and you guys good ages. And then I like whistler of the well, it was all the hold actually in the same year. Its whistled in January and London in December. So whistler was just fantastic because, you know, I hit my marks and my snowboarding, so I was out there. Yeah, no, they're the best. I really enjoy I enjoyed both those. All right, final question to wrap up today's proceedings. Thanks a lot for joining me. The final question where? So you talked a bit about where you've lived your past, where you've been last few years. Where do you see yourself retiring to? So, like where's your it could be a dream location or actually realistic one, depending on what you want. Look, that's a really... and I I mean first of all, mom's younger than me. She's not facing retirement and as quickly as I am. I don't know. I mean I don't think I'll be. Well, depends where you guys go. I mean wherever you guys go, we won't be too far behind you. So you're not getting rid of us. I think it'd be pretty sad that if we sat in Melbourne and you guys weren't here at find that really hard. I like I'd like to mean. Obviously you guys are going off do your own things, so that's you know, that's life. You know you'll you'll move. But where would I like to retire to? I mean that you have fantasy retirements and you have a real retirement. To me, Gold Coast for me like cool and gutter because I think it's knee Brisbane. Mum Gets to be around a friends, awesome weather, you're on the beach, lots of things to do and it's just a great lifestyle. You know, and I think when you're when you've done what we've done, you go. Well, I want to live somewhere which is really nice. You'LD have to worry about the weather. So I think that's it. In a fantasy retirement, like a few years to be London. I mean I'd love to go to live in London for two years, but we could do that. I'd have to go there with work or somehow wrangle a job based in London. But London or Edinburgh, you know, like their fantasy periods. But yeah, I'd love to do that. But long term I reckon Queensland. Yeah, everyone else. Yeah, yeah, we doat and night thrust around this subject everyst so often, probably more often recently. But Yeah, so's Dad said, like covid makes you think your whole life differently because, yeah, particularly me, I'm getting spends so much time in my family, which is unusual and I'm loving it. I'm to be honest with you. I you know, you walk out to the car today, and usually on a Sunday afternoon, by through a clock, you start to look at you watch, going well, what times my plane tomorrow morning? And you guys know that a for o'clock. I actually all my start shutting down because you actually go into the psychological state that you have to get ready to go. So you lock everything down, your packing badge, you're going to like a Zombie state until you get on that plane. So it's a great feeling right now when I get to the car today and I go well, I don't have to worry about that. I don't knock on anyway. So I think the questions you're asking about the future comes really racing up harder because you go, will do I really want to do what I'm doing right now? I don't know. I really don't know. So that's change things. But Nicole, yeah, so coming back I'm probably the same space, probably the same space as dad, I'd say, like I really yeah, when you when you retire, you do want you do want to have nice, be in a place when where it's Nice, whether where you enjoy, where you can walk along the beach. For us, you know, I have the live in an area where the real estate is still affordable so that you can, if you've got, if you're lucky enough to have money, to travel that. Like Dad and I would love to keep on traveling and have fun and go skiing and cash in on those cheaper oldie tickets on the slopes. Love. How wait till that day. But but yeah, I'm I'll probably a social distancing. So I'll be. Yeah, I'm probably about the same as DAB with that and I would love to sort of it is. It is a very hard question, though, Hamish, because I mean, I'm sure every parent comes to this, or maybe they don't, because maybe they're not, maybe they're not as close as our family unity is. But I'd hate to be in a place where, and I know you guys have got to fly the coop eventually and and live your own life, but don't think we're going to follow you and that we don't expect so forbid, always ready for us. So I think we've got Campbell sign up on that idea. Will Soo, he's playing along with maybe tomment. Dad. You I get shafted, I get shofted, I might have to come to your place or sleep on the floor of your room if I'm if you guys are sharing. But but yeah, London, I loved London. It was Um. It'd be a great experience for a while, I think, just explore. But yeah, I still come back to somewhere like cool and Gutta, or I mean the place is in Sydney that would like to live. I mean we'd have to live in a very small apartment real estate wise, but that would be another that would probably be the second on the list as well. You'll be like I over having a house right next to that. Every Sunday I could just peer over my back fence and it does reality. Yeah, I knew that would be on the cards. And we know I'm just jump over again because I...

...just think about I excuse me, phraends, I don't think you just bet. You wouldn't be peering over the fence. That like heart. You be yelling instructions and abuse over the fence at the coach and the team. Let's be honest, we're very fortunate. In my life and work, I travel so much and you won't stop traveling. So, as mom said, you'll have a base somewhere, but you'll keep rolling in a bus. You know, expect you guys to be living the same life. If there's if there's one thing that I hope that I've installed in you, is a sense of the sense of adventure to travel, because I think that's the key to life. If you get off your ass and do things in travel, life's fun. I think that's a beautiful note. To end on a very wholesome phrase. I'm very wholesome from to absolute legends of the game. I just like to quickly thank you both being great parents giving me the opportunity to have a great education, not writing atensign just great. You just we just had a great up upbringing. Campbell loock and I very fortunate. So thanks to being great parents, great people, and thanks for joining us on the on the ball podcast. Thanks for having US and thanks for being a great part of our family.

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