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Episode 5 · 1 year ago

My Parents - Episode 4

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The host, Hamish, is joined by his parents, Nicole and Fraser, for a brief interview about their lives and life in general

Rochisi I welcome back to episode. Four of theHonorbale podcast today is a different one. Last episode was a change of pacewith the marvel movies with my younger brother Cambell, but today is going toeven be more of a change of pace. I'd say now we're into we've gone from fast,falling to medium belling to spin bowling, and I'm here sitting with mytwo creators. My two rocks my two heroes. I would say my two parents,Nicole, on Prasar, welcome to the Honther Ball podcast, hello, thanks forhaving US Homis Yeah. No, I is welcome to my studio. That is definitely notdad's. Work Study, so pretty much today we're just goingNA. Have a you know: Nice relax chat on our Sunday Alva just going to discusshow everyone's going I've got a few questions here about your Pusse as acouple, I'm not interested in your individual lives as that they could beepisodes to come. I'm not looking to get too deep here today. We don't wantto be breaking down with bad thoughts on our Sundayafternoon, so yeah were just kind, Hofe, a relaxed conversation, a nice littlechat, sois that sound good guys sounds excellent, Hi Mishel! Exactly all right. You guys looknervous. How are you guys coping in isolation? Iknow I don't want to talk about it too much, because that's all we talk aboutthese days. But how are you going? Well, I'm kicking out of the parkbecause I've got an office, I'm very, very fortunate. First of all, we've gotto Wev got a decent house. You kids are at the right age. I mean I talk to my teammates at work. Lots Ho've, gotyoung kids and it's a much different environment for them because of thestressof young kids and having to to school them, and things like that so working from working remotely for meI's fine, because because I travel so much, I actually do a lot of work inhotel rooms and airports and so just get used to it and umfortunate at myjob. You can do that so from a from a work point of view. It's good from apersonal point of view: It's starting to drag now the like a sport, I'm not a big TV watcher buts, SAT IAM, so I run every day just to escape it,but you feel like a mouse in a a mouse cage we're inside the cage and then theother thing you' got is a little wheel on the side to run around it so yeah. Ithink it's starting to get. I be dull and you'r starting to feel a bittrapped. To be honest. Mom Yeah I've been traveling. Okay. I have.I have days that, like I'm, really enjoying having the family round andthat's been good and it's been great having fraser around a bit more becausehe does travel quite a bit with his family, so we've had some really nicetimes out in the backyard in the sunshine. On those particular ghats.You want the microphone back to you study on. So that's been good workwise. For me, I haven't been working as much supporting the kids at Parsa Academy,so yeah, that's that's been a bit hardbecause I do thrive on a bit of structure and I get a bit lost withinmyself when I don't have as much to do. You know I mean there's always athousand and one things you can do around your house and Housework and tiding and stuff likethat. But that's a bit dull so and I do miss the contact with the kids, becauseit's a small school we're quite a close knick family. So I have been missingthat, but fortunately you know to have a laptop and- and we catch up on zoom every morningwith the kids in a meeting from school. So that's been really nice to see theirfaces and I', as phraser said, we're very fortunate. As a family, we have a lovely home, that's quite spacious, tohang out in with everybody and everyone's got their own spaces, if notmore and also yeah. We all get on pretty well likethe five of us really get on enjoy. Each Other's company might be speakingout of turn. There, but I think we I think we get on pretty well and it'strue what prais. As said, I mean I've said to friends like thank goodness. Idon't have toddlers or or primary school age, kids, so yeah,some but yeah. It is dragging on a...

...little bit, but you know all in this together all right. So, as you mentioned weare quite I wouldsay: We're a very close family like it's hard to say looking from theoutside in other families, because you don't know really what they do behindclosed doors, but I would say we're closer than like my friends, familiesand people. We know D O. is there a reason why you reckon that is? Is itbecause we maybe traveled as if, like we had to move where we lived orJackingo something to do with, like your upbrinings or like? What do you reckon? That is look, I think, multiple antesee, howmeand I need to a for themtat. Well, I think. Well, if you go back to my background,coming from Scotland, I came out to Strowe the very tightfamily. That's all we knew, we didn't know anyone, and so that really grew afamily sort of you environment for me very strong, fiant,family environment. So when I grew up and then I had my own family, youreplicate what you know: you're always going to replicate what you know. I think the other thing to is. That iswhat you said: We've traveled so much like we jump around Austrayliaa Lot and when we go to new cities, we'veonly got each other like when we came to Melbourne an two thousand andthirteen it's just os, and so you do look inwards and then the other thingto, I think, with my travel with work. When I come home, I want to be with myfamily. I don't want to be with other people e like I want to spend time. Imy family and, I think, also Mam and dad. We take a huge amount of interestin you. Kids, like you know, we like what you do. You know like going to thecricket like on the sport with you, so I think we all got common sheedinterests which makes it easy, but I think that's a big one. I think it'ssome. I think it's driven by just it's what we are and the way we travel andsays result we've become a close udit. I mean you could answer that questionas well. Why R? You guys, are still hanging Ain the hile before homanshe senses that answersthat intrigueing question, which is father, and I really want eager to knowthe answer of the ball. Mei actually agree with everything proser said, butI also course I do just on a few occasions,but I do agree with them. You know when we havemoved around and phrases sort of been able to go off to work because we'vemoved to a new place because of his job, so straightaway he's sort of workingand we work things out together. We work out schools, houses, we makedecisions together and I think very much apart from that. It's quite an open communication family.So we've always really encouraged the kids to that. They can talk to us aboutanything. We've always made ourselves available for them to have a chat they upe front about when the when they came to age, to possibly start drinking to be up frontand honest about that and not sort of hided it so so yeah, I think, come. I think, that'swhy we're pretty close, unless you can shed some light on that subject, Hamishthat we might not know about well, that's wha asked because I'm justinterested because I like it's, I feel like it's always been hardto explain and sometimes, like my mates, find it. As you know, my mads find itquite peculiar when I like turn down the opportunity to go out, because I'drather actually spend my Saturday night watching the rl or just like, watchinga movie with my family. So I feel like just like an interesting thing to thinkabout, because you just don't really know like it's kind of hard to determinewhat like makes a dynamic, especially in a family, because it's just the waythings have always been kind of like there's, not really it's hard topinpoint one thing. That kind of created it but yeah. I guess well thone to youguys. I love my family andfirmer, so Ford, it's on that one I mean we gotmean it's a reflection of you guys as well. I mean you're. Pretty easy. Imean Campbell can be bit weird sometimes, but you know you're pretty easy young guys,so you sort of flex into what we do low it. You know, so I think that makes a big differenceas well. I think also too, like, while you havesimilar interests, you've all also all got your own individual personalitiesand individual interests, but I think we've always encouraged you to supporteach other's interests. So whilst it might not be your favorite thing to do for yourself, your sibling likes to do it. So we'vealways encouraged you to to support...

...that, and I remember like even when weused to live in Brisbond and friends, a sort of make comments to mehow the kids, you know always want to do this and that each day of theholidays and stuff like that- and I just didn't- I just turn around to them-and you know I said I've got it prettycrusy, because my kids are just happy hanging around the house togetherplaying with one another which is probably being good. I think also, even though you can have like a a boyand a girl, but I think it does help maybe havingthree of the same sex. They sort of look to each other,possibly a little bit more than maybe. If we just had two kids and one was agirl, a mom was a boy yeah and like not saying, girls can'tbe into like video games or backyard cricket, but like when we used to havea backyard or Campbell not as much but like. We would often play in thebackyard together or like at the moment like we're playing a lot of playstationtogether and like with each other's mate, so that yeah, that's probably agood point back to your back to your cheap below of why we'restill at home. I think it's a bit of a stretchman. The oldest is only twentyone. If I'm correct my my sister was my two sisters: WereThey Still Aun Twenty One? They might have been gone by them, but differenttimes yeah. Exactly now. Now she got to work like fulltime like ten years, andI dobity fourthalf twenty three when I finished university and then so. Whatare you on about Ma? But the only reason I theony is like yeah, but I'dgone off and done a couple of stints in the you know the gold industry yeah andthen then Moand, I hade a degree. I had nooption, and that was a big struggle for me. As that I had to leave my house,because I once I got my degree, I knew it for wint to be a jolgist. I had toleave Sydney and that that was a crisis which is a whole nother podcast, whichwould gone fhr hours. Did you? Did you find it easy? Moving out a lik foundreally hassome and I well. I had to go to norsman an which is near Calgaly forsix months as a student, and I found that a little bit difficult, but yousor go well. This is what I'm doing, but then, when I finally graduated- andI think I got offer three jobs- and I took there all an was Australia and Itook one- I went and did it for two months three months and I quitbecause I just missed my family and mand my lifestyle and Sydney, and so Igave it up. Whent worked totally T got out of it and was going to go off anddo something completely different, because I found it a real struggle andit's always even now, when I'm jumping on a plane. It's a struggle. Some dayslike that's good thing about what we're going through right now is, I don'thave to travel without my family, which is a big place. Do you think you struggled away fromhome at the start because, like you, actually miss your familymembers or was it more justlike not living with a bunch of people like? Didyou struggle living alone and like the actualstuff of look at the running, aOvi Lik, you jump to yea, it's I've struggled with the isolation ofwhere you were like? U, in the middle of nowhere and living with in big campswith people, you didn't know- and I was the youngest by fir like by far whereas when I went to capital city, Iwent to Brisbane on my own. I didn't find that as hard because it was in thecity and around normal things, and so I found that but yeah I miss my Mam anddad and miss my sisters. You know so that was a bit hard at first. When did you move out on? I didn't get thrown out, but I didleave. I did leave. I wanted to make a fresh start wanted to move away from some stresswithin my family that I've grown up with. So I did move to Queensland to tomake a fresh start and I move for a job and back in the day. You know for alittle bit of romance as well, which actually wasn't with praiser that's another story, but but it led meto praseup which atit the main point here over godbut yeah. I was twenty one. I sort of gone away for a few monthsbefore twenty one and I'm yet twenty one lock and I did move up to townshill at twentyone. I had a job fulltime job, and that was great, and Ilove that- and I didn't move back home after that so yeah. That was me so basically lit Ididn Loc Times coming. I didn't miss. I didn't Miss Home as much as dad did a DI was you know. I wasn't, as in o...

...remote place like Fraser. was you know,backin out in out back Western Australia, so yeah? So I was sort of townsfall,which sort of was a slow city like a big country. Town really mainly set upfor the army, so but it was, it was nice upthere good weather and enjoyed it enjoy. It did a little bit of traveling aroundand and work just on short stints, but yeah. Even I was home, Til twent three, my tear out. He need now UN ill. Justtell you what the difference is. My parents, because you know they didn't-have the money that you know different times, so they traveled on their ownfor so basically from sixteen on words, I didn't go away and hold Os Mom Dad,whereas you guys still come with us and I think that makes it get invited. It'snot like we, but the reason we do the reason I was just going to say thereason why I want you to be there, because I do. I travel lot S on my ownand you want to share things that I've seen with my family. So I think thatmakes a huge difference as well as you get older, that Youe still still doingthings as a family unit, not just gin over too old Tang around Moman Dad,which is hat' a bit strange for you guys, and also I not itill. I told my heart are you guys,because I feel like compared to most families, who are in like a similar like class tous like social ECOMONOMIC class? They go into holidays. A lot earlier like, for example, were in thelast few years. Wuld been luck enough to do a trip to North America and theUK and like a lot of Mymates, did that when they were like fourteen fifteen-and I think you Kan'Dt of just take it in a lotmore. So actually, I'm very grateful to be inbod. Think that's love, like F O,but I think to there's a couple F reasonsfor that. We we wanted to achieve a few things forthe security of our family. When you guys were young, it's a lot. I meanwhilt. It can be cheaper traveling with Youngr kids. I don't know whether it's easier andalso, I guess you know how much to younger kids really keeping their memor banks andappreciate the places that you take them. Whereas now you know H, wou canhave some really good chacs as a family when we discover new places togetherand have conversations- and I think that's something that binds us tobecause, as you guys have gotten older a lot of the conversations we have and we bring up things that havehappened in the past on our holidays, with the with the press, which isanother close family, that we've done a few holidays with funny things that have happened onthose times that we've shared together and they're. The really importantthings that are just too precious to not have had experience so yeah. So you've talked a bit. I was thinking of some questions lastnight to ask you guys, as you are just such fascinating subjects or we are butwell you like to think you are rise. Ha's been so long since you know mypodcast debut so like Rackantor of good stories goodtimes you love you're, full of it may so a lot changed since, like the s ands when you guys were growing up and aging, which can you say you were growing upin the HS yeah yeah, so you grow up in the S and S. I went to school in the sand university in the Earl S, yeah yeah. So is there anything so lots?Obviously change from now. We don't have flying cars. We don't havehoverboard so back to the future. You know it's not correct. Yep Yeah, Iwanted so much more yer failed predictions but TAT THREEU KFC. I waslooking for that. Never happened if there's something you could bring from now and like take back toyour childhood upbring like what would you take back like there's somethingthat has changed in society now? It can be like a physical thing like if youwant the Internet, you can take that back or if it's like something. That'sjust like families are just like. I don't knowlooser now or is there something that you would change about your upbringingthat you see now in like families growing up that would maybe a I don't knowjus more enjoyment, just abetter experience when you were growing up, I look for me would be crapper if islike traveling well until covid crisis...

...traveling now compared to when you erekids, a big different lot Chipp of travel now. So if you could take backthat, you would change, I'm not sure aboutthe internent. You know it's like from the ease of doing things like you knowthe the fact that you can have instantaneous information. You can watch whatever you want. Youcan do whatever you want really, but then you didn't. I look back. I wasjust sing as Youe asking that question. Would I really want it? If you didn't know you had it, youwouldn't want it so, but yeah, I suppose you G, you got tosay you want some of it because you it would be good, but I look at all thethings that I did growing up. I didn't need it like. I look back down insteadof watching you know, instead of wasting to the intirnent you're,actually at doing things like you'R goting sporting on I, because you hadto do things like. If you wanted to see sport, you had to go to sport yeahbecause you wouldn't see it on TV, so you're a lot more active. I think not that we're not active. I don't know, maybe maybe I don't know well look. I mean ifthere's also a health aspect to that, there's more more in technology, aroundhealth and people living longer, and maybe, if you learnt things when you'reyounger, that would have a change, but thenwe've been really fortunate. We really haven't had a lot of health issues inHoir family. You know my mom's about a billion yearsold, ou still alive so yeah. I don't know how Mi Shi I don't know. If I takemuch back, I think I think it's more a question. What would you I think it'smore of an individual thing? Is that I look back now and what other thingsabout me when I was in my when I was in my teens and s that I would change. SoI think it's more that it's not technolog is not gadgets. It's my lifeexperiences and the things that I've learned that I would like to take backwell, Yeu. Think of think about this, we'll go to momt for her answer, butthink about this. So what about the other way like it Sai, something thatyou guys didn't have that we have now growing upin the twenty first century that you wish, like kids, didn't, have access toor didn't have like there's something like do you wish social media didn'texist for kids growing up. I know I look like I think, communic Jo MaAnsimean, that mom can answer the this first, but I just saood just justponder on that second part, because I I want to give you time to prepare a goodanswer. So the question was you guys grew up in like the S and s.You guys grew up in the S and S and now obviously you're bringing up afamily in the twenty first century. So the question is: Is there somethingthat you see nowadays in the way you've brought us up that you wish you couldtake back to your childhood and apply? It could either be like a dynamic orlike a relationship of family or like a genuine physical thing. Liketechnological innovation, I think outside the box he homin, I wrote andthrow it out there. It's unlikey you but me, and I don't want to go too deep,but it is pretty dam for me seeing what my family dynamics is like. I wish this family, our mmediate family, themccorcodiles you and your children. Yes and my husband and well bring him withdon't have a dog or a cat match, Sha whats, Kini Mas cameCampbell's, disgussed, well, pets you enough, so I would liketo take back to my teenages to my family, the way our family dynamic, his andInow. I wish that my childhood family could have been like our immediatefamily is yeahallrigh. I warn't asked to any further questions on thatbecause I know it's a deep topic with some, unfortunately serious like drama,but I respect H, aunts, I'm sure anyone who,like grew up in broken home or a family, that's not as privileged as us wouldlike wish that that could be different, but ther. Some people tha put Oubreakat homes, don't any different, yea o theyre happy. So it's a you know,yeah and often like pushes trasl to strive for excellence actually like asI was watching the NFL draft on the weekend, and I saw people taking thepiss out of it on twitter, which I actually thinks a bit stiff, but mostof the draftis actually like come from tragedy or like broken home, whose theyprobably realize that they've got to work hard to get somewhere in thisworld. I think that's right. Irish, I thinkyou do like it does help you strive for...

...things like, like my grandmother, for instance, wasalways you know pittying her children up, youknow against each other and causing family drama, and my brothers andsisters sort of had sort of said to each other whe're never going to let you know, arguments ar things come between ussort of thingas we're growing up and were older, so we sort of saw that asnot a way that we wanted to go. So I think that sort of can drive you and you saw things along the way andyou went. I didn't I don't you know that happened and you know mom did mymom did the best to her ability, but in highnsight I don't want to live. Mylife like that onll make those choices, and I could see how I could changethings so yeah. I think that Um, just because you come from broken home,that's now excuse t play the pety party or victim. You know, like you mentionedabout the NFL draft before there's. No, that's no reason to you know say you don't know anydifferent, because I think you see enough on social media through thetelevision through movies, through friends, abouthow things you know should develop amongs,family and family relationships and how things wirl at work. So I don't thinkthat's really ever an excuse, for you know, mait can make it harder forpeople to break out of cycles. If they've, you know growing up insituations, you know less desirable. An Tha we'vegot now drugs or you know, violence or stuff like that, but I think it'spossible to break those cycles all right so dad. What would youeliminate from? Like the I don't know the the raisingof a child experience in the twenty Fist Century? Like would you what haveyou seen in our childhoods that you like wish? You could change and anelement of your childhood could like still remain. I think it's some simplicity of life. Ilook at what you guys do as kids and you got too much on. I think the demands of schools are toogreat. I think you'v You've got sport when you youbuild up, and I mean particularly your boys with the sport and dancing. If youbuild that all up on top of your school rk, it's huge- and I think I didn't have that- I mean I didn'tplay sport like you guys did so I had a lot more spare time, but I think that'sone thing I would do is that it's trying to make your lifes a little bitmore simple, and I think a lot of that is Welli. Look. I said at work, you knowit's his instant demand for information. People now want everything now and Ithink schools are the same. They want everything now. So I think I think ofone thing we could. I would like to change is to make your lifes a littlebit more simple and let you enjoy your lives because you're only kidling you're onlyyoung for a small proportion of your life, so you should really enjoy it,but I just worry that there's so much pressure mean whether it's at school orwhether you want to be in ripcricket or rip football or whatever. There's thispressure pressure pressure on you, kids and I think a lot of that is there andthen I think the herrendous thing is this bullying on social media. I justthink it's horrendous and I mean not. I was a victim of real bulling at schoolbecause its small, but you lived that because it was therein your face when you left the school playgroundate the afternoon, you didn'thave it Foln your home, whereas I think this environment we're in right now, F,just Wer, just absolutely hostile at all levels. I just think I's atrociousand so I'd love to get that out of your lifes make your life simple, butfortunately, for you guys you seem to manage that pretty well good answer. pist. I think I actually,I was even before dad mentioned, he's things that he would take out of today and put it back. I think I actually agree with Fraser. I thinkit. Your kids life is a very smallproportion of the rest of your life and I think that yeah, I think it's almost like. It's ashame about the social mandia thing, because people some people just rebolbtheir lives around social media and ther their life is to make otherpeople's life miserable and they could commeinto on people. They don't evenhave a relationship with on social...

...media and and say very hurtful hurtfulthings to someone else whom they don't even know, and they don't actuallyunderstand the impact of their comments or theraper cussions that are for the person that they'vemade the comment towards, and I think to that things could be a bit slower. Families could appreciate time a littlebit more to spend with one on the other andmaybe maybe relationships wouldn't familyrelationships, wouldn't breakdown so quickly and readily. Now I think- and I think that outside influence Imean the outside influences things like it's a lot easier and the drugs hatmaybe are out there in the community, are a lot more fiece and addictive andand that sort of thing m nowadays, but yeah bit slower and just to enjoylife and not those pressures. I think social media destroys kids childhoods, because youknow I've had to tell if I d tell young fraser what to do. You know like backin the s. It would be do what you want to do and don't worry about what peoplethink and take chances. I mean if you, if there's one thing, that's didstallinto Ooth, you, boys and everyone you've got to take chances every day tolive your life to the fullest problem is for social media. You are forced toconform, and you see that at all levels of life, not just family life, you seeit sporting stars, you see it with politicians. Everyone has to conform tothis consensus and all that's going to do is crush people and you lose thatfreedom. So that's that's why it's bad! It's not just a bulling. It's a IT'S Aconfimet! It's it's destroying the individuality which that's what you gotto be is a human being talking of individuals, and we havethree individuals in this household that you guys brought up. Who Do you start with mom? First, who doyou see more in out of US Srege like who do yousee more in yourself and who do you see more like phrasin and then dad? You canhave your crack out of that. I know you're chumping at the bit over there, not not physically I'm talking personality. I don't carethat where rang ers and DADS range, that's a that's a cop out and it doesn't have to be Ham i's justthe best bloke and I'm good block. So that's it like I'm talking personalitytraidssort of where I was heading, but you know that's a hard one himish, because I seebits and pieces of you Al, I say bits and pieces of meet in you all. I don't. I don't think I really don't think youany of you look like me. I think locklan's Locklan has some featuresthat look very much like my brothers, especially across the eyes and the mouth sort of thing, but yeah personality, Wise Campbell and Locklan are quite similar. They canjump on to a idea or a fad and play it to death or do it to death theye very. They can be structured,they can be quite structured and I'm quite struction I like to do. If I dosomething I like to do, do it well, but then I can say that attribute comefrom you hi you can be. I can worry about what other people think andunfortunately, I've passed that why don't Yu thanks and I can be a warrior and a person who worries not aNusiwarriol, yeah N N, no, not t at NRA warrior. Let me tell you all we want once for warriors if youknow the movie, but yes, I've sowt of yeah. I can say mypersonale a lot in Hamish in you. I think my social part of me I can seemore in Locklan and Locklham as he's gotten older, thoughlike locklan eighteen plus, I can see his social...

...personality, my social personality inHim, but yes, I think the locki in Campbell's chillbacknature comes much more from Fraser than I o. sorry about that Hibe, but himishall have passed on my kindness and thoughtfulness to you, I'm afraid, yeahcop, that Campbell N l, Ihineecan Probaly, hear an O. I think he's yeah he's gonna getme Doi's Laider, but you know he's probably standing at the door waitingfor hes man, yeah, okay, you're on te pressure now alright phrase. What about you mate? Yeahit, look at like I can s. One thing:I've got is a huge self drive and a huge self motivation and campels gotthat in spades. So out of the three boys, I see that mostly in Campbell, I see locks deep obsession with things. That's me because I go deep on thingsand get obsessed my sense of human place. I can see itall three. If you AAn at times you can be all yeah like. I think all thre ofthem's got a good sense of humor, which I have as well. Ohti am I'm a BITL, I'm not like mom,I'm very much, I'm happy in my own skin. So I'm like lock, I'm happy to be on myown. I don't need people around me. I enjoy when people are around me, but Idon't need them so Lok's got that, but I've also gotbig in securities which you've got. You worry, but the difference with youhimsu you're, completely different to mea you're, a complete finisher, I'mnot I'm an e twenty guy, like close enough, is good enough for me wwhatever I do. I mean w what I like. I've got altheBadi now I mean you've got lots of Yu you're, very D. I don't e get Ao. Youdon't need to get your very ca. I mean one thing that you've one thing: You'veall got that I don't have is just sporting and dancing capability o meanthat's just amazing, so that must come from. U Because I look at all three ofYow, all three of you. I mean yeah, probably not as close academically asme, you're all a bit of theaeeide like actually not, I think, you're all spat.There's not! No! I think you're a bit marter than all three of US yeah, but Ilike no, not pumping up your tires, for you are very intile, so yeah. I thinkit's some there's bits of pieces, but your model boy there's some bad things about. My like.I there's bad things about my bat. My personality that you haven't got, whichis good Ieidon', think so I've got adestructive side to my personality, which is not good, but I manage thatreally hard and really close, and I haven't seen that in any through Fou,which is good all right, good answers from Borth, youor formarks I'd say all right, so you guys were both talking about earlier ina previous question about how you moved out of home and you didn't actuallylive in the same city, you moved away quite dramatically in this great bigland t the great big southern land. Where is you've lived in many placeslike six or something? I would like nothing too deep here, but I'd like youto rank. You can do this together or you can have a spokesperson or whatever I'd like you to rank your the placesyou guys have lived together. Well, we canlet's so listen Li. Let's just listwe we yeah first, so we obviously lived in Sydney, but we lived Mamman dadlived in different parts of Sidne, I'm I'm talking when you're together, Okysoafter the point id together, well towns. Well, we started, then we went totomorrow in new sut wells. Then we went to Orange Calguly, Brisbond and nowMelbourne that six to six, so we got rankthou yeah. I want one to six onebing, the best expend the world mean. Obviously I mean yeah, it's Chauf tocompare well use a you thats right, you tomorrows twothousand people. Did you enjoy that or not look? It did something for me that weneeded to do, and that was the reason dad took that job was. I didn't have totravel so for two or three years I was home every night, so that was importantat the beginning of my marriage, because I wanted to give mom for my ourmarriage to work. I had to be home. I couldn't be away eighty. Ninety percentof the time like it used to be so that served a purpose, but that wasn't fun,but it was fun. It was fun in a way, though, that Synney was closer, see.Well, it's cept, O purcase for our marriage, because it's silly that yeahthen you've got. Then you a calgoly which is a mining town, but a greatplace for kids to go up orange was a sort of step up from us like a muchmore vibrant city, a lot more happening in orange, because you had goodrestaurants and good. You know one...

...festivals, plus it was close to toSydney so that when locky and well you didn't really get to live at homebecause we left by the time you would but lock used to get to go down theSidney pretty regularly. So that was good fun. Then you've got the the three, the two cities. You GotMelbourne and Brisbone it's a Tosso, then town tallible. Iwouldn't look. I wouldn't my feeling is, if you've greup to more calgalianorange at the same sort of level that they were there for you wouldn't livethere. If you had a choice, you wouldn't live there right townsvall. I enjoyed townsfull townsilas good fun.The weather's awesome lots of again lots and lots of things to do a verydifferent lifestyle, but it's been so long sine. We, since we lived there,you know it's Lik, but I definitely could get back toe and then you got the two bigs you getthe city, so I don't know. I struggle strugglebetween Melbourne and Brisman. I mean Look Li. I got to be honest, mypreferred Placo Sitt Sidney to me. You know we mom and dad didn't live there,but Sydney to Meis my number one so that the cities are always going tocome, O ye same and I've never lived theres. But I love Melbourne because of its vibrant,a d like it's huge and there's. So much do there's so many things to do, butthe weather shit in the football sheet. So that's why it's also toss to Coynsome days ar like Brismon, but then brisman. You didn't really live inBrisband. You lived on the Goald coast, so that's the thing when you guy livedin Brisband, but every weekend we go down the coast. So you're, not reallyit's not that city it's more of an area but yeah Ahad, one yeah it is. It is a hard one to write.It's because you're with such a wonderful woman, Ou, Adaltan, nhe,famiy and Hen, we've always had we've Almos Mad Fun, where we are and we'veala been roun because of mom because of Gn Natua of also Ma friends, and youknow Wewere, never never, on o IHE sa alsolots of Peopre at. I think I always when we moved around,I always took on. I always took chameleon yeah, that's right when Nowis foppedCampbell out in the calgoly hospital. But you know that's a bit of Shi. I think yeah. I think each place served adifferent put at different, not tryingou belt and and they weregood notches because we made them good notches. So I always whenever we moveto a new place, I always had the philosophy of I could sit inside these.You know a house wherever we live and get really depressed and not met.Anyone not know anyone, but what? What purpose was that going to serve so soyou had to make an effort so whethere it was. I mean tomorrow, towns, wherewe obviously hadn't had a family, yet so that what that was get that smalle off your face for is so that was more of a more aboutgetting. You know, finding employment, I mean prays. I always had jobs beforewe ever moved to the new place, which was a good thing. That sort of, let me then have time tolook for jobs, so that was sort of more about people that you met through work.But then, when we, when we once we moved to orange, you know- and that waswhere we first bought our first family home and we spent a lot of time makingthat home and painting and and doing those sorts of things thatlots of young couples doing where we had locklan and homish. So that was good. For that reason, ANDASFraser said it was very close to Siney with did and drive. So that was reallygood for us, starting out as a family with two young kids. It was in drivingdistance closer to Sydney, so it was good for that. But and then cow goole was different again. That was a that was a long way awayfrom our family in Sydney, but it was good as far as the mining complascompanies wanted to keep family sit, so they used to spend a lot of money. So Igot heavily involved in the in the family playgroup center that your used to goto and Ha Mishin Campbell. You lways used to the two out of three of you, so used tobe a race to the: U to the ferry costume box and the wings and the highheel shoes that that you two used to raise towhats when we got there stordto this day, ICA get there for solid. So that was a good place as well, butyou definitely I need primary age school children there. We didn't wantto be there after that, a lot of people...

...used to send their kids to boardingschool in Perth. So I think Brisban to me, probably if, on a whole, if I wasto take everything into account, I would probably say brisbine would be atthe top of my list, because I had a really good circle of friends and I think, when you're dropping offkids to primary school youre much more in the school, your waiting outsideclassrooms you're doing parent help at school. You create really firm, solidfriendships that I still have to this day and yeah and we did travel down to the GoldCoast and you Surrounda by a lot of beautiful places in Bris Bannan. It's abit like a big country town, but I do love Melbourne as well, but I think Breece been probablyprobably was number one in Melbourne number two. If your life depended on it,just quick one to six come on, there's no! THERE'S NO REPEC! I would go to me.I would probably go Brisbon Melbourne Brisbind Melbourne. This is how o La Orange Calgally,townsfor and tomorrow, last or just not,including that yeah look battle. Do the CO no yeah, probably tomorrowLasyeah Mine, would be Brisbone, Melbourne, Townsville, Calguli, thenorange and tomorrow not a big fan original news sovoils I really enjoyed if I could live in Brisbon with the jobI've got now and my family back up there, yeah 'd leave Melbourne like thenext five minutes that hurts my feelings. Seeing as though me and myolder brother were both from reginal new soutwaylso thanks Fras, wementioned a bit earlier, I'm like to there. We go we actually a bit earlier.We've been fortunate enough to go on a few great family holidays in the last,maybe seven or eight years so quickly. Would you like? What's your favoriteholiday? Is it the most reason wone we've been on or is there another oneshock candidate watch ou, most favorite family holday? For me it was th one we just went on tothe UK and yeah. Is there a reason- or I was so excited because I haden't beenthere before, and I'd obviously seen so much about it and heard so much aboutit, because a couple of you guys had been there camel, and I were the onlyones that hadn't been there, so I was so excited. I was like a little girl ina candy shop walking along that street for the first time, seeying, redtelephone boxes and everything that you see on Talianinmovies, the Red Double Becker Busses, and it was just a great time we hadjust great chate, just traveling in the car singing songs together, great quizzes bur me yeah greatquizzers, which I still don't get how we lost that QIZ that night yeah whencamel was scoring. I think mats has got a lot to answer to with that child. ButU but yeah. I think that one, I think I loved Canada as well. I loved Canada,our Canada holiday and that was do still with the family, everyone beingable to go, but also being able to share that with another family. Thepress family give a shadow in Brisbane that it's a family that we really get alongwell with and because we don't spend a lot of time outside of our family unit with otherpeople. It's yeah we all get on really well, so I'lprobably think those two holidays phrase yeah look the same. I thought theholiday just recently in UK was outstanding. Just because you know we got to do so.Much like e every day was another adventure and you guys good ages, andthen I like whistler the well. It was all the hollow agtlly in the sameYearas we slow in January in London in December, so whistler was justfantastic because you know I hit my marks in my snowboarding, so I was out there yeah now they're the best I reallyenjoy. I enjoyed both those all right final question: to wrap up today'sproceedings thanks a lot for joiny me but final question where so you've talked a bit aboutwhere you've lived your past, where you've been t last few years. Where do you see yourself retiring toso like, whereas your it could be a dream, location or actualrealistic one, depending on what you want?...

That's a really mom, and I I mean firt of all Maasyounger than me Sa she's, not facing retirement and as quickly as I am I don't know I mean I don't think I'llbe well depends where you guys go. I mean, wherever you guys go. We won't betoo far behind you, so you're not getting rid of his. I think it would be pretty sad that ifwe sat in Melbourne- and you guys weren't here atd fund that really hardI'd like to mean, obviously you guys are going off do your own thing. Sothat's you know, that's life. You know you'll you'll, move but um. Where would I like to retire? To I mean you have fantasy retirements andyou have a real retirement to me goal coast for me, like Colen Gada, becauseI think it's near Brisban mum gets to be around a friends, awesome weatheryou're on the beach lots of things to do, and it's just a great lifestyle.You know- and I think, when you'R when you've done, what we've done you gowell, I want to live somewhere, which is really nice. Yhoud have to worryabout the weather, so I think that's it in a fantasy retirement like a fewyears to be London, I mean I'd love to go and live I London for two years, butwe could do that. I'd have to go there with work or somehow wrangle a jobbased in London but London or Edinburgh. You know like their fantasy periods,but yeah I'd love to do that, but long term, Irecan, Queensland, Yep else, yeah yeah. We Dad- and I thrash aroundthis subject every so often probably more often recently, but yes,as dead sens, like coverd, makes you think your wholelife differently, because yeah particularly me, I'm getting to spendso much time, hin my family, which is unusual and I'm loving it and to behonest with you, I you know you walk out to the car today andusually on a Sunday afternoon by three o'clock, you starte t lookin Ou watchgon. Well, what times am my playing tomorrow morning- and you guys knowthat at four o'clock I AC AL my start shutting down, because you actually gointo the psychological state that you have to get ready to go. So you lockeverything down your packing bags, youre going to like a Zombie stateuntil you get on that plane. So it's a great feeling right now, when I get tothe car today and I go well, I don't have to worry about that. I don't KnokGon Anywhey, so I think the questions you're asking about the future comesreally racing up harder because you go ell. Do I really want to do what I'mdoing right? Now? I don't know, I really don't know so. That's change things but Nicole yeah. So coming back, I'm probably the same space, probablythe same space as dad I'd say like I'm. I really yeah when you when you retire,you do want. You do want to have nice being a place w where it's nice weather,where you enjoy, where you can walk along t e beach for us. You know I had the live in a area where the real estate isstill affordable, so that you can, if you've, got if you're lucky enough to have money totravel that like Dad, and I would love to keep on traveling and have fun andgo skiing and cashing on those cheap ha olhe ticketson the slopes, lo o wait till that day, but but yeah I ill, probably yeah social distancing,so I'll BEU yeah, I'm probably about the same asDowbb with that, and I would love to sort of it is. It is a very hardquestion, though Hamish because I mean I'm sure every parent comes tothis sor. Maybe they don't because maybe they're not maybe they're, not asclose as our family unit is but I'd hate to be in a place where- and I knowyou guys have got ta Flyg the coop eventually and and live your own life,but don't think we're going to follow you and e that we don't expect a sofabed always ready for us. So I think we've got Carbil sogn up onthat idea. Wealso he's playing along with Ebe Diad. You Might Ge shafter theYh Lik get chafterd. I might have to come to your place or sleep on thefloor of your roomy Fam. If you guys are sharing but but yeah London, I loved London, it wasItd, be a great experience for a while, I think, just explore, but yeah. I still come back tosomewhere like Cooland got up, or I mean the places in Sydny that woe'dlike to live, O and we'd have to live in a very small apartment, real estate, wise, but that would beanother. That would probably be the second on the list as well Youd be like ot ovel having a houseright next to that every Sunday I could just peer over myback fence and I dos reality yeah. I...

...knew that would be on the cards and we no I'm just jump over again, becauseI just think about. I excuse me firs Ot. I don't think you just be. You wouldn'tbe peering over the fence at like hear Youd, be yelling instructions and abuseover the fence of the coach and the team. Let's be honest, be veryfortunate. My Life and work, I travel so much and you won't stop traveling,says mom said: You'll have a bat someway, but you'll keep rolling and itbis you know expect you guys to be living the same life. If there's, ifthere's one thing that I hope that I've installed in you is the sense of the sense of adventure to travel,because I think that's Tha Kito Life, if you get off your ass and do thingsin travel life's fun, ithink, that's a beautiful note to endon a very hellsolprise, I'm very wholesome from to absolute legends ofthe game. I just like to quickly thank you both or being gradeparents, giving me the opportunity to have agreat education Ou. Now, writing aten tone. Just so great you just we justhad a great up upbringing, Campbell, locklan, very fortunate. So thanks forbeing great parents, great people and thanks for joining us on the ontablepodcast, thanks for having us and thanks for being a great part of ourfamily.

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