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Episode 20 · 2 years ago

Fraser MacCorquodale - Episode 19

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Hamish's Dad, Fraser, joins the host for a chat about his relationship with sport, his passions in life and provides some interesting stories about sport from times gone by.

Crowd, cheer, settle, welcome back to the on the ball podcast. This is episode nineteen of the show, so we're starting to get up there. Next One's episode twenty, which is another little milestone for me. But today I'm doing another interview with one of my family members, the final one we haven't ticked off yet. Probably saving the best to last. Well, he would think anyway, my dad, Fraser. He's been on the podcast few times, but today we're going to get to know a little bit more about you. How are you today? Good. Thank you. We're recording this on a sad day and our beloved West Tigers are playing in just under four hours, so some of the mental thought processes might be a little bit off. We're a little bit on edge some for yes, three and a half. So some of your answers maybe aren't you point? All right, so let's not stuff around. So the way we're going to structure this we're going to have the same questions that we've asked everyone and then at the back end, so after we've done all the usual questions, are also just double a little bit deeper into your passion for Rugby League. So first, what was your how we like what Rol. Did Sport play in your childhood? Did you play many sports or play it? Well, play huge part. My Dad used to watch didn't he was very active. I think it was active younger before we came to Australia, but sport was a big part of his life and he watched a huge amount of sport. Golf and soccer was in his two big passions and so I grew up in a house where and he also loved cricket. So it was like what was that? Well, it's like another understood because it's rare for a Scottish guy. But he knew all about Brad Bradman and we donely, being Australia. For Reckon, it's two weeks and we went out to the SEG to watch cricket. So he used to take me out to the cricket regularly. We would go and watch great cricket, sit and sit, sit on the hill a great cricket and watch it. So he was he loved watching sport. He probably didn't get time to play it because he's pretty busy with work. So I grew up with that. So I developed a passion for watching sport, all sorts of Sport, and I played sport, but it wasn't because I was small and in those days it's not like now, wherever I get to go when you're small and when I grew up, or you didn't get a go like you wouldn't, you'd beyond you'd never get ball, or you played cricket, you came in last and all that sort of stuff. So I turned more into sort of solitary sports away from teams. So you so what supports did you play? Well, I've played football, rugby league at school as well addition, but halfback. Who? And then I played cricket for a couple of seasons. But then I did weird things, like I did ten pin bowling. I got into that competition, Tim Poling, to be fair. Well, I'm assuming it was a bit more popular and well that parents and I used to go. And then then, through my mates, got into rowing and because of the small east, to be a cocks and I did that for quite a like three or four years, because that school or club club, no run club, we still got down on Saturday morning and and then I think we did it because you got free chips and free drink and then we then I got into Skateboarding and surfing and all that stuff. So it's became bad dog. Well, I skate board of lots, like on the weekends at all, skateboard go off to the in those days the shopping centers were empty, so you could go into the big multit car parks and skateboard up and down the ramps and it's good for them. Do you so? You came to Australia when you were six or six from Scotland. You do you have any sporting memories from Scott I'm yeah, I do, I have. Did you play a sad took me more. No, I didn't. I was an asthmatic, so I think I didn't. I remember it gain of the pool and things to swim because my parents used to drag me. So I think they got told by a doctor that I had to swim because Massma. So I remember getting dragged pools, indoor pools in Scotland. But I do remember going to see Celtic because dad was a mad celtic supporter and that was probably one of the last things we might have done in Scotland. I'm not sure what year I went but we went short and remember it was where they play now, but obviously different stadium and it wasn't long after that they just won the European Cup. So I do remember that, but that...

...would be the only memories sporting members I got from Scotland. Yeah, wait, so you said your dad used to watch soccer. Did could you watch like Celtic play here? No, you couldn't. All you got was one day a week you got a thing called big match, which was on a Monday night. It's just like Premier League match. Yeah, it was a premier league mats, which what First Division those days. Match of the day. Who maybe it had? who were the best teams back then? Like is that before forest or yeah, that was before for I was arsenal and Chelsea wasn't as good, but it was arsenal and teams like West Ham and leads. Remember all those teams? Yeah, but Arsenal was pretty big. Liverpool worst sort of flow. They were good. I don't think them, I don't. I don't remember. The Manchester teams is definitely Manchester City was big, but united must have been big because we that was a team I've started falling and the reason we did it had something like seven or eight Scottish players in it and that's what dad did it, and then Mum's my dad. My Nanna used to send dad newspapers out from Scotland and he'd get those. They'd come regularly. So that was the only way he used to stay in touch with English Scottish football. So it's pretty tough. You know. It's not like now where you guys can watch whatever you want. Yeah, where we watch the Tigers as we travel across the Scottish border, a whole different. Well, when we watch state of origin doing a Lord's tour. Have you ever told you that? When we're doing our lords to on our school UK? True, listen, we're because we had the origin game on its will find the to a guard. We were just at the back while she so out of all those and mom was saying you guys played a lot of sports together when you were like in your s, like you played volleyball, touch yeah, it is to play can recent Jack. dagging you out. Actually she's saying you're a bit so that episode came today, but she was saying you're a bit violent with some of your touches. Used to follow through. I was it was I'm competitive. I'm highly competitive golf, lawn balls. So we yeah, we did a lot. Actually, we did not lessons. We did. Well, lucky sports sir, we don't have kids, and so we used to go to these towns and we didn't, you know, lived in towns. We didn't know anyone. So we did. Mum Did lawn bowls. I didn't do that, but mom got right into it. And then we used to do volleyball on a Monday night and then we did. Then we went to orange and I did golf. We did golf lessons to tape for about three months. It's random. And then she was in tempation. Mum was in tempting bowling competition. I didn't do that because I used to go away, so I couldn't do that one trything. What else we yeah, we did touch football in Calguli. You guys were you sit and watch? You can't, I do. Used to Eyn your numbers on your red yeah, that's it. And Yeah, the other teams used to get a bit upset with me, but I was. I can actually be one of my earliest memories. Think about that. I used to charge up. Now it's playing rugby league. So you knew to move up defense really fast and people thought that was certainly, but you're just playing the game like it's meant to be played. So it was a bit weird. But yeah, I was also saying a mum, why is? Out of all the places did you have lived, why did you played touch a Western Australian town? That's bizarre. Touch has played everywhere. It's a yeah, but it'd make more sense for you guys played in towns or something. I think we met someone we like I was saying, I met someone that said do you guys, because you're from eastern Australia, do you want to play touch? And it was a new Christ team. Oh really, yeah, because we were saying, like it's like at least really played five side a tell really it. Where they any good or yeather? All right. Well, so, out of all the sports you've played, well, what do you have the fondest memories of playing? You can include snowboarding, skateboarding. Yeah, I think that. I think skateboarding snowboardings the two things. I didn't say snowboarding before. They're the two things I really enjoy the most. I still do. I love both those. Yeah, I think that's it. I mean cricket, like I was never good, I was never lucky, guys, so it was always a bit of a you know, you wanted to be good, but you know there's also other kids are better you guys play sport and these kids making up the numbers. It's a bit the same. So probably didn't enjoy it joy the team sports as much, but I certainly enjoy snowboarding and skateboarding. Yeah, so right now, what are your top three favorite sports to watch? To Watch, like to follow? Yeah, well, it's a question. It's time. I mean there's lots of things I like to watch. Mean obviously my passions rugby league, so make sure I watch that every week. Yeah, you easily watch more...

...rugby league than any others. Yeah, and then then it's time, because it generally because you're watching rugby league on the weekends and you got work. I do enjoy I do do enjoy English soccer, but just trup finding the time. Yeah, I think in another life, or if we let who knows what you guys will do in the future. Be If you move somewhere where the time zones are a bit more friendly. I definitely see. And any other way, obviously. Number two test cricket. I don't enjoy a big bash and, like you know, we I don't watch a lot of big bash. Yeah, it's just in the background. I don't like one day Christians because I just find it boring. But I really enjoyed test match cricket. And the other one I like, but we don't watch a lot of it, is golf. I reckon golf onto his elite sport, but it's just again, it's just another yeah, like the masters, like they're a lot of times. Yeah, and like someone who works. So I love I love the Winter Olympics, really that. I really look forward to the winter, the X Games. Yeah, because I watching these. Well, what's that's what we watch. That time the snow ski scrap doing backward in the guy, the only game of deal landed on top of him. Every rue was someone was an ambulance. So yeah, know, they're the main things I watch and I look, I don't. I'm not into your fl I'm not into rugby, I'm not into Australian soccer. So very selective what I watch. Yeah, if you could play any sport professionally, money aside. So say you get in the same pay for every sport. What would you play if you were good at it? Yeah, golf interesting. was in any reason or I just think that. Well, but I like being outdoors and like walking and like and I just think if you could be really good at golf and really like if you're really good at it, then you'd enjoy it, because I think that's the thing that frustrates most people golf. It's such a hard game. Yeah, that people don't really enjoy it because you never very good at it. So that when I was young I wanted to be a professional. You know, it wasn't going to be, but it would always the idea would be to be a professional surfer, a snowboarder, be those sports. Yeah, I think so. I think Rugby League of those too hard. Yeah, too violent. I think it's good to watch it. Will you put the money aside? I definitely reckon like surfing or snowboarding would be up there. But you just Maagine the lastile its lifetime you live. Yeah, you know, like a few surfed all year and you know yourself, like these guys are do ski ski instructors? Mean they spend the You ski ing? Yeah, it's like there's not really anyway. It's like not a nice place that has the like. If you were a surfer, I don't think that'd really be training anywhere. That's not nice. They got a great countries. Yeah, exactly. This is a tough one to think of on the spot, but we've been talking about it a lot last few weeks. What is your favorite sporting moment of all time? You can either go one you've seen live or if you just want to broaden it at any moment look. Well, so it's always a immediacy thing because it's your memory. You know, as you get older, you there's so much sport you've seen and so many epic event and yeah, I feel like I'd have to make it live to give you a chance, I know, but I'm just saying even then, as you go through it and you've seemed so much America's Cup. Well, yeah, that was very exciting and random, but it was exciting. Probably three there's trees through, or two there's obviously. The one that stands out most to me is the two thousand and five semifinal between the Tigers and dragons. That's my ultimate sporting event because there's that was a magical moment with five minutes to go, where you knew they weren't going to lose and you knew they're in the grand final and the crowd, which was probably seventy percent tigers, just when absolutely nuts and it was like, after years and years of following this team, they'd made the grand final before, but I was always away, so I've never seen do it. So that was I found that it had been a fair gap. Yeah, and I've found that it well, was my number one seen years between you. So I mean the fact I found them, I found them winning the week after a bit of a actually, I don't know what happened there, but I just found anticlimatic. It wasn't that wasn't the pinnacle that I thought it would be. That I got more out of the week before. Is it because you thought? Is it because you knew they were going to win? Yeah, I think you need they were going to beat the cowboys and by halftime you thought this game's over. So and you guys are young and maybe the hours you're older a bit more exciting. But yeah, there was that and then I think that's why I'm sorry, I've got to be careful, because this is all. I mean. I've seen so many good cricket games, but the one that stands out as the one with the ashes, the other year with at the gap at. You guys are right where Australia, one of the last day with Mitchell Johnson, golden nuts. Oh, I was forget about that. I love that as I's family. Hey,...

...so when we said yes family. Yeah, I thought that was a great day as it was just so excited. Kevin, he doesn't say brother and can piece and brother told him off. I thought it was really that was a great day and it was really exciting to be there. I think I enjoyed it because you guys were there and in the then the one really is recently with Liverpool. I just thought that was just such as far as it not the actual game itself. Yeah, spectacle off at all that the buildup of going, you know, the prematching, the lunge, then the bus there and then walking with the crowds. It was just something special. You know, actually all those. Manchester City wasn't exciting, but arsenal was as well and it was just great to do that. So they're they're probably three that stand out. Yeah, but I said you got to be that's neurology. I mean I have to sit down and you know, it's hard to Um like I feel like I just crap on about this all the time. It's hard to balance between recency bias. But then you can also go the other way and just favored things that have happened in the past. So it's hard to kind of get a balance there. And I met me. There's a big luck with the tags, as big brother this but they had a good year, good day kate in the s and then there's a big gap till two thousand and five. So there's not a lot of games that tigers. You Go. I mean there's games a win and it's but we get excited because I just win a game. Yeah, it's not. You look back on it, but like what, yeah, they win a game. Yeah, it's like in my in the first episode of this podcast, me and pilch did actual top five sporting moments and the Tigers beat in the storm and a regular season and looking back I've watched the highlights that I was like this is just a last five minute try, like this actually isn't that special. But we've been food some tough times. Who is your favorite sports person of all time? You can give you one all time and maybe one currently playing. This is a tough one. Unsurprisingly spent. I look, I've got a minute. I can't pick one. I mean I've got so many that hit me with some names. Well, one that stands out to me is Greg Norman because I think I grew up in the ear when Greg Norman actually dominated strain sport. Like you guys never understand choke. Yeah, yeah, and that was part of the that was a part of the story. And then it'd a particularly to a tiger support. It's like, yeah, I get this, but I think that he's he's impact on Australian sport was massive, for he was a number one golfer in the world for a long time. So wasn't like he was just a flash in the pet. Wasn't like late you when he was, you know, world number one for like I was what was a year or some. He was number one for years for you, and he really dominated golf. The other one that I was Mike Richards and surfing. He won I think was four or five world champions in a row and he, you know, he was like I remember I used to go and watch himself and he had that or about him when he walked through the car park and he's with his Mark Riches Board at the BMI. He's got the Superman logo that users. Yeah, and you just knew that that was pretty special. I like, I mean rugby league. There's lots of players that are really enjoy probably for me she's it's hard. I mean there's so many good tigers players. Probably Beeny alce would be out there for me because I just think they are really exciting foot pause, whereas you know, that jet like Benjie Marshall was pretty exciting. I like watching him, but he lets you down too much, you know, like he's good but he does a lot of stupid things. For his Benning Licen, those guys were actually good foot balls and and to be fair, they were surrounded with each other. Bend. He's kind of been, yeah, on his own, yeah, most of his time. So I mean there doesn't help. And then cricket, Cricket, Dk now you are as fellow love you more. I like Jevn Thompson. Yeah, probably he'd be up there as well because, if again, he was just magical, that guy, like I. So it's a fortunate to see these guys at their peak. And the thing about Thompson as I saw him actually before he made a Beig. We Dad and I went to the shield, you know, but she was like there's no one there. Yeah, and he's playing for New South Wales. W was his last season for New South Wales and it was you before he got picked for Australia and he just I think it's Queensland they played and he just almost every time he bowl he got you know, not just the stumps would just go flying everywhere. Yeah, and then I saw him do that against the West indies two years later where he just destroyed the West indies. They didn't know how to play with him and I said every ball this when you get a wicket. It was still wasn't like catching on the boundary. was like stumps flying everywhere. Say, as a kid that was really exciting. Now, like cricket, no one really stands out. I didn't like the modern generation. You know, really a fan of like the early s late night Scot. I know you don't really like mcgrail worn plan. I didn't really warmed any of those guys as there was a side. I like Mark Taylor, but yeah, there was something I couldn't warm to. So that it's an interesting like I've watch so much cricket, but there's...

...no one that I really look to and go well, yeah, that. Where's those other guys? I'm trying to think. There's in Wales. Probably is right. So that's that's the general sport ones. Will touch on your rugby league passion later. I was going to just keep these questions to mum and Campbell, but I'm actually I feel like there's an interesting questions to get more of an insight on people. So Watch you. Another really tough one to think of on the spot, but what is your favorite movie of all time? If there's like one you had to just watch over and over again, more Campbell saleso big Wednesday, which, yeah, could she I've got Jo got my favorite movie a full time. You can throw a few names at me if you. Well, back to the future. Yeah, back to the future. I really enjoy. I enjoy first Buller's Day off and I like there was like Wall Street. There's movies, there's random movies that I do really enjoy that I still watch way Wall Street. Yeah, that isn't the wolf of water. No, heavy in the wall compus. It will move in the switch up crappy threaten and it was all about, you know, greed is good, which was what the S is about. Just had another one but it's got out of my mind. But that, you know, they're the ones life, that Chevy Chase. Yeah, like Christmas vacation. I love those. I mean, yeah, there's lots of movies you like to watch. Yeah, and they're the ones that, you know, stand out. I like money, bull like I like watching sport movies. That what's Kevin cost the one draft field of dreams. It's awesome. Yeah, you know, they're I like those sort of movies. But now I'm not a I'm not a person that goes, you know, like my taste change all the time. Yeah, it's fair to say. I think you and me at least in two movies out of the family. Well, watch a lot of those because the planes, because all the plane trips. I do watch. So you just get dragged through like our choice. I am I not ninety percent of movies. We go and see rubbish and you're not interested, whereas a guy just go because you guys want to go. So go along. But and then, but then I do watch a lot of movies on the planes. So I know all the movie while you often come back like the founder. That was in my top ten of the decade. That was because that's a tiny movie only box. I was it because you're not paying for them, you're going to see and they're available, whereas, yeah, I'm not in the marvel and all that stuff because I just think, yeah, I like a storyline, not just special effects, and plus it's kind of high involvement. Fine, Marb like you have to watch every movie. Bet All the says bite. mean the thing. I okay about them. Of the destroy cities. Yeah, we don't. We talked about and then what happens? How do they cities get magical? Tory about that in the marvel podcast. But yeah, now you're not the biggest musical fan. It's fair to say. If it's not true, I used to be heavily into the music. No, musicals, I not musicals. No, it's fair to say. If your son wasn't involved, I think you know, I wouldn't see no, if Campbell wasn't around and mom wasn't around, I wouldn't see any musical because. But not. You have been dragged quite a few. So what's your favorite? The you sing the least painful. Maybe I'm very probably Matilda me. Matilda was at a lot of action in scenes were short. It was a sure that was pretty good. Campbells in it, which always helps. Yeah, I mean Chitty, Chitty Bang Bang, because he was in. It was his first one and they went for three. Maybe, Mumma MEA. But the rest of them, you know any of the UK one or no? Well, the first one, Juliet. And what was Angelia? Well, I's, you know, jet legs. Yeah, try to start through that one. The cooking one was dreadful. And wait, truth. Six, six, yeah, yeah, six was all right, but I was like saven about it. It was short, but you know, I wouldn't. It's fast paced. Yeah, but why it was? I mean I think that problem is mum hyped them all up. So when you have to see them as like, I love but I've never well, she never see should have musical. That pissed me off. Like came in too, Matilda, thinking it was yeah, that's what well, you remember, and I like actually left it thinking that was yeah, that's that's what happened to us all. The first night we saw. Well, first of all, I thought Campbell was a was a bit surprised to Campbell's role and then the other thing was, yeah, she'd painted this move fit. Show was so great that the first time I watched her went but once you got into the character being, you know, I don't have mum see. I mean I would have see till he says she was a forty times. She reckons. Yeah, I reckon, I because saw nuts. She's always been close to ten. I don't think I ever watch a movie, let alone in musical, more than ten times. Guess all about ten times if I added America. Only watching four times Matilda now,...

...because we went with Pete. Yeah, that used to go. Yeah, with like we're friends, a couple times and stuff. Yeah, and I yeah, that would be mine. But yeah, it's a short, short list because it's not a favorite genre and plus it's not like movies, like you don't see fifteen a year. So, like, I think I've only seen ten or something in my life. If you have to another these are some tough ones. Just sing a new spot, but on the spot. But if you have to listen to one song for the rest of your life, what are you going with? One? So like it doesn't have to be permanently on repeat. Obviously, but whenever you want to listen to tunes, this is, unfortunately, that on this song. What's one song you just love? I know, I don't even reckon you know this song, but I reckon you love the art of Flight Song. Yeah, I did like that. So sweet disposition, but I did like that. I did like that, but it's probably not your top because probably an excess level tears apart. So what's called? I don't know. It's called never tear us, but never pairs put. Yeah, I like that full on the hill by the Beatles. Well, what if you have to listen to one artist collection? Well, you're going to Lenk towards Beatles because I've got so much music. Yeah, no, Queen. Yeah, Queen's all right, but they're not as I enjoy queen, but neither. Well, they'd be up there. I like. There's lots of music I like, but I'm not into big collections of music. I'm into likes oasis May, yeah, and I'm not Eyjo. I'm not into I've got to have a thousand albums of the one group. I'm more ut I like song. I mean, yeah, I'm like that. My playlists chop and change all yeah, that's right, that change changes all time, but I'm not a I don't listen like, for instance, I when I drive I don't listen to music. I like radio because I like hearing news, yeah, and people's views on news. And then when I run I don't listen to music. I listen to podcast because I think listen to music. Actually, when I was running today, the radio was on and they kept flipping the songs and I found that I didn't enjoy running to the music because I I like to escape what I'm doing. Yeah, I don't. I'm not a fan of this in music. When I exercise, people like listen to like bangers and stuff, but I'm not about that because, yeah, I don't know, because half the time you've heard the song before, so you just get bored. Like listen to it. There's a road question. I'll ask you, though, if you went on the voice what would be your audition song? Right have to be what month? I think my mother said Dancing Queen. Really, yeah, should saying. I know everyone in the family think it's an or vice, but I do. Girl from me, but neither epen either. I don't even know that song. It's a ball my way Franks and archer because you pick it Frank Sinatra Song because he actually talks a little. You can just put the voice thinking. Yeah, you do that. So you go for the crooner songs. You'd stay away from anything difficult. Yes, straight, hit the ball, straight down the middle of the fairway. Yeah, saying them. Maybe she should wrap limit the vocal. That's right, and the dancing as well. So do not move, do not sing. Maybe going. Australia's got talent, but I wouldn't go on the voice because I think it's an appalling show. Yeah, actually, I'll be honest. They were watching it the other night and I was like, things still still going. Well, it's a limited put. The thing I don't understand. Astray has got a small population and if you do it every year, there's eventually where you skim. It's like skimming leaves off the top pool. Eventually all the good ones are gone and also left is the rubbish that. I don't think the singing's bad, just the same thing every year. Well then, yeah, you can sing good on your yeah, but they just Mimis all the where. I don't know. Manster chef, even though it's the same thing, because technically each she's likely your visual exactly cook, whereas what these people are doing is just mimic songs. So they tried to get to sound as close as they can to the artist, whereas if they were serious about it, you should come on and sing your own music. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I don't know. There's something about market. Look at all the successful. Look at bands. They're successful because not. It's not because they can sing, it's because they got a unique sound or they write really good songs, whereas if you think about your road from the voice, all you're doing is being a karaoke singer. How's that kind of work? They need to wake up to himself. There you go. Sorry, Christopher, if you're listening, big fan of the voice. Now just some general ones. I would like you. We've been lucky enough to go on quite a few nice holidays. I would like you to rank your top three. That's easy. The English, England Scotland trip number one. Number two would be Vancouver and San Francisco and La and then number three would be one of the Japanese trips. Number one or number two? I'll say in a moment.

I don't even know. Well, number two, we lived in the little unit. We lived in that unit near the restaurant down the bottom of this and we didn't. We stayed in shopboyer. Yeah, and that's well. Was the first Sinegaua, yeah, and then the yeah, the other one we stayed in the hotel. So that was into Unchit Agau, which wasn't which it was all right, but it was in like the business to so I'd say Japan number two. Yeah, good bookie too. Yeah, that's a good show. If you have, if you were stuck on a deserted island with one of us in this households, who? Who? You know? I'm hoping it is. You can't ask me that question. No, everyone else has answered it. Come on, mate, I can run you through there. So, but I like actually, no, I can't, because I like being I don't care you picking my everyone picked it, has answered so far. I'd pick mum, obviously. Yeah, she picked you. That's but I mean for you three. I know, Ye know, mum's included. So, yeah, you pick like Mama, but I mean you three. I know I'm not asking. You've all got your strengths and weaknesses. Yeah, lock be me, because this is such a deep answer from lack one, because we can make a footy and pass it, which is the priority in life. Really. Now, because I think you're being picked to you, because you know the rocks of the island has very good point. Gee. Now, because I think you're all well, we're all the same. We're all pretty head strong people. So if I picked one of you, guys eventually drive each other nuts, whereas but yeah, no, Mum, because you know we've been together forever. Yeah, yeah, she said you. So you haven't been dog there. If we all went on survivor, separate seasons, nothing to do with each other, independent, who's making it the furthest? You, you can include yourself now. You really shop that I thought would be robbershot. No, I think everyone has said I'd be shy at it. So farlock on mud guy pretty well, but BLOCKLIN'S BLOCKLO would lose it in the challenges with people. You go nuts and I think we both you unlock a guy really far. Mum. Mum couldn't do the challenges and I think formum, just living in the whole survivor environment just wouldn't work for her. And then Campbell, no, I don't think you know same of the challenges I think camera struggle. The challenges for you two would be really good in challenge, but your p you can kind of get carried at the start, but you tried. The only hard to imagine. The only problems you is you, I mean the vanager. Lock. Have you lock? Actually, when he's in he's move seen this. When he's in his mellow moods, he's actually or other people. He's very easy to get on with. Yeah, it talks those you trigger. You get triggered too easily. So maybe maybe my yeah, I don't think I do very well personally. Maybe lock. My back is a lot. would be in trouble, though, because he wouldn't help out with anything around camp. I think he would, because I think he knows any be lad locks of it look likes to be let. So that's people are doing work. Lock or join it. Yeah, and if it's just like hard yacker, like be running up one of you to go on to find some sticks, as I wouldn't last because it would just drove me insane. Yeah, I don't I'll be out within the first few of us. The said Campbellow, because we reckon. He could entertain everyone, but it's got no strength for the it's a bit grumpy when tired. Yeah, and he's doesn't like it's dirty fingernails, gets mistressed. I would get threeciate. I get kicked off because I don't like being around people look like that all the time. Would drive you insane. Magic be on top of each other. Yeah, I think I'd be done because and I'd want to Gash about P I'd want to go big walks around the island. She like that, which I don't think you're like to do. Yeah, last general question for you. Head to the runkle the history of phrase we cooked ow if you could travel to one place on earth. So you only allowed to go on one more holiday, but it's only one country. I don't know. That will couple a six weeks. Where are you going? You can say a region, but then I want you to pick country as well, but you stuck in one region the country. Or you can do things in the country. What do you mean? Well, I like, well, I might sell pick whistler because I get to ski every day. Well, yeah, you can pick that, but it's like a whole. Yeah, but I'm just not living there acres every day. Or I could say England because there's lots to do. But if you're so, yea, yeah, I say you can say a whole country. Well, it's I can't. Again, I'll give you two answers. One is whistler. You know, if I could go there for if I could live in a place like whistler for the whole winter and just ski and Snowboard as much as you want to do, you prefer whistler to the Swiss Alps. Yeah, OK, yeah, m Swiss Alps. I should have been there. I'm Sawt O, but was from. I've been. I've been tolstring skiing Austria. Um, yeah, said, no, I know, like the I like Canada better because I think it's it's pretty late back. You know, they speak English with a big thing.

Yeah, true, they've said through the yeah, prove bit hard. You have been to me, been to aloys likely, I mean the only other thing would be, yeah, the UK. So there's my two bit but different holidays. One because I get to do what I love every day, which is snowboard, but the second one is because it would be really nice to live in, say, Edinburgh, for six months, because that'd be cool. Yeah, what? So you've traveled to so many countries with work what's one that you haven't been to yet that you're interesting going to, or is there not, really not? Well, I've been to Legis, I've been to just answered pretty much all the main terrist ones and I've been through Europe, you know. So means like Spain and stuff. Now I haven't been. I would like that's good. I'd like to get to Spain. Africa, well, I've been to I've been to west Africa, which is not probably the nicest part of Africa, but then when you look at the rest of Africa, have well, what's there? So and I've got no desire to go to see the big five because goes to zoos see that. I don't need to see them in their natural state. So Africa would be a big cross. South America. I've been to Chili, Argentina, Peru and Ecuador, so I've seen all and Columbia. I've seen all the really nice parts of South America. I've been to Central America, Panama and Nicaragua, been in Mexico, obviously north of South America. Then all through Asia. I would say, I could say New Zealand. Now I could say I would say the West indies. I would like to been some time around the islands a bit. I've been to Barbados, but I'd be good to spend some time there. But it's a different sort of holding port of Spain. What's the couple? Or is it bridge town? I don't know, bybatos. So I remember the capital, which trying to think, I think is barbatos. Things one of those islands, for it's an island city. Yeah, well, West indies and maybe Spain portable. Yeah, Droptha now. So a bit deeper into rugby league. What are you? What are your earliest memories of Rugby League? Like? Is there a specific game you remember going to first? Yeah, well, I think too well, the two memories of God. Remember sitting, which isn't face. It's actually famous, part of the famous. You guys are too young, but there's a movie called Don's Party, which is a famous Australian movie, and it was like a change, sort of like a change of ear a movie. And what it was was the one thousand nine hundred and sixty nine, the day that the Tigers won the grand final, there was a big election and they thought that golf, Withitlan or the Labor Party, was going to win, like and little party been in forever and so thought they thought that this was the big ear of the so this this movie is all about Don's party and in the background on the TV's actually the Tigers playing. But I remember sitting outside where mom and dad had to go and vote. To me had an old holden and the radar was on on the Tigers were playing. So I remember. That's one of my very first memories of Rugby League. And then the following season Dad took me to see wit. How did you vote? I didn't wait. Mom and dad vote it. Yea, you were a citizenship. We yeah, I think you were. Straight away. They did something, but could you UK citizens? That's like the first. Well, we emigrate earlier. I remember we emigrated. So we had scissors, you know. We were part of we can strike. We weren't here interest freezes. So and then the following year I went to like heart oval when it was a proper oval that ran the other way, and I saw them play new town. So the thigs play new town and they won that game. So that that is my we sat on the hill. It was dad, me think mum was there and that. How does that work if we were another way? Well, there's no hill was a cricket field, like I was. Actually, so is that he'll fake? Yeah, you know that. Yeah, you know. I was going to say that's well, you know whether the all you know those little grand that tiny little grandstand that was on the side. So the ground that was halfway line. So that field went that way. So what they did was when they turned into a rectangle, the actually cut in, they dropped it around, drop the ground and then from all the dirt they built the Big Hill. Yeah, why did you pick the Tigers? Had A friend called David Donny Hue when I came from Australia to Australia and I didn't wouldn't have known. I mean I then anyone used to play rugby league at lunchtime, like you know. So most of my is quite weird because the school I went to, Ashville primary, is the back wall. This is physical back wall. Off The school was the Western sub was least club. So westward. We were right in the West's western suburbs, Ashfield, but most of my mates went, for all...

...the people I've made friends with, was south because house for a big club and manly for some weird manly were big, but it was a bit weird that in the West, you know, in a west of Sydney, at people going from manly and then the tigers sort of floated and there was West supporters obviously, and I got to know David and so I follow the Tigers. Yeah, did you ever like flirt with any other sports or when you first got here? Not. Now I've got hooked on Rugby League. Dad. I mean I look back down and, as you know, I feel a bit bad about this. Dad Naturally missed. You know, it's a bit dad miss you. Could he missed it? Football, you know, soccer. Yeah, and so he went. He used to go and watch up here play. Who are out here like that? Who actually just down the road from like out oval? Yeah, and he wanted me to go and I would say no, I don't want to go. So I look back now and feel really bad about that and think it was some very nice sun and so he's going his own. But what nationalities are upier? Italian, and that's what put dat off because if it was all it's, it was all racially basis. Is the Croatian team, and there was and there was a Celtic play there. I've can't remember what there was a Scottish here that and that was a reason. Do they just move out here to live and then they just play or do they actually I think it came down and so dad went down there with the Celtic book or something, got a signature of fels cool. No, not winter sports, he said. I mean Rugby Union's interesting. Rugby Union was on TV lot more in those days, the local league and Sydney in that was actually quite used to watch because because in those days only had one game rugby league on TV. Yeah, so you'd watch other sports. So used to watch Sydney rugby and that actually because all the wallabies plate. She used to watch that. She's watch let like the eastern suburbs ground that we played. Yeah, so watch that. Never really you got remember when I have a team now, I never really. Well, obviously there was Randwick, who were like the one every year, and then now there was there was a western. There was a western suburbs team which play at concord where like a where the Tigson now training. That was their ground. That's what concord but I don't think they'll call Western summers. I think they'll called something else, but they know that's where they played and I few of my mates actually end up playing for them because school played rugby. So there's a few friends played there. Then never really got into AFL because when I grew up it wasn't in Sydney and it was this you know, used to be on TV VfL, but you didn't really pay much attention to it. And then the Swan's arrived in the s but well by that by the day, by the time it arrived, I was about gone, yeah, who's your favorite on you'Vevans had been the Elias, but who's your who's the best play you've ever seen for tigers and just in the League in general? One page the best tiger ellery Hanley. Yeah, closely followed by Wayne Pierce, like very closely. Peace wasn't the most skillful player, but he's the guy that they desperately lack right now and that he was just he had a motor on him. Is a bit like Victor, what's his name, likely exactly same sort of player. He he could tackle. When you got tackle by him at hurt and he do about forty those tackles and he just was super. He was like the first. You know, that year it wasn't into fitness like that now. But he was super fit and he, you know, he just tried his hardest and that's what you want is a captain. So, but Ellira handiling was something special because he he arrived in eighty eight in from England and turned the Tigers from our bottom five team to well, they could have won the premiership he had and been knocked out on the grand final. HAVE ANY YEARS? Did you play at The Times? One? Well, no, that's not right. He played one. He played one and and eighty eight and then he went to western suburbs and next year doctors. That's but then he came back. Came back in the mid s when they were shit, and I think he might have played too, maybe two years with them lost these. He'd lost speed by then because he was like it's been like some of the big players now that he was really strong, like muscular, but super fast. So he could break tackles. He would just physically break tackles because he was super quick but also highly skillful and keep. I think you keep goals as well, actually, and that's probably a bit different, like no Internet and stuff, but it would was here beast and the superlegual. No, I really yeah, you know, yours is one of the because what used to happen is because you know, that's one of the I reckon. It's one of the sad things with Super League and the NRL playing at the same time like now that's gone to the summer in England. Yeah, the way it uused to work was the Super League season would fin all English Rugby League would finish in about May.

They'd have all the big competitions and so they would come to Australia for the last two months of the premiership and it's actually pretty exciting because suddenly your team would have these guys. Little Handley turned up in June, late June, and the only play like six or seven games, but boy so and every team, a lot of the teams had them. Tigers just have about two or three them would rock up and I think it's one of the sad things because they were really good. They're really good players and I think that's why in the S, that late s early S, English Rugby League was actually pretty strong and they could challenge astray because of were playing in the premiership. If there's one thing about rugby league you could change, what would you actually who? Who's the best play. You've seen the Sono Tigers player. Don't Thurston, let's go to live or not. Well, you could have seen them live or not. I look that so many players. It means Andrew John's. Yeah, look, John's. Andrew Johns was good. I mean I was put thirst and above Johns because I think first of his like Wayne Peace, like just tried his hardest, never ever got out and that's why the one a premiership, because he never have gave up. Yeah, where's it? I remember that match. We watched them play in Melbourne and every tackle lazy, every scrambling tackle would spit John Ball drops on the ground. Where is he is? Right next to it. So there's him. I think I liked back in the old days, are liked. Bobby Fulton was pretty outstanding, like he was just a he was just a really good player. Steve Rogers, Matt Rogers, Dad, survivor fame, you know, and then Peter Sterling. Yeah, those guys. Yeah, so, sorry, back too much question. If there's one thing about rugby league right now you could change, what would you change? Well, I think they're getting on too. It's getting rid of the wrestle. But what I would love to see come back into the game, which I think. I don't I know why they did it. But it's striking for the ball in the play the ball. Yeah, because then then what that means is because I think the biggest downfall of rugby league, you it this white could get boring, and I understand why AFL people got it's dull. If you get teams that just run five kick, run, five kick, it's pretty dull game. Yeah, whereas if you know every time and if you don't like you sort like human tides. Played manly and that was a shocking game where manly just dominate and they just get ball and they kicks and it was just like this is boring and lost us in, whereas if you strike for the ball, it means, and that's the way that ruck is design, that play the ball is actually a miniscrum. means the balls in play every game every so you could get that like repey union. Yeah, that's why it should be. Can turn over any point. Yeah, that's pretty much all I've got for her. Eight minutes till Super Saturday starts for sue Saturday back up to lockdown. So I'm pretty keen. Thanks for coming on mate. Thanks for am my cush is a bit vague thing, but yeah, and I'm looking forward UESTIONS. So yeah, answers, they were great, man, they yeah, I mean I think it's an interesting one. I could finish up on rugby league. He's a little story fround us off. Mum Doesn't get this right it. Mum's never got this about rugby league. There is it. When you live in Sydney there's a hue and when you work into state, like I've have and lived into state, here's a huge anti rugby league feeling and it's a snobbery. It's this people look down on rugby league and you know, like the people are going to private schools in Sydney and the north shore and the eastern suburbs and that they look down a rugby league. It's a game played by the western suburbs and it's all meat heads a play it. AFL people think the same. It's a stupid score sport all they run into it. So when I first came out of Uni and I could started being moved into state, you'd end up in these huge brawls about rugby league versus AFL, and so I just thought after a while I'm not going to tell anyone that I write like Rugby League, and even if you ask my people I work with that I work with lights, if you said, you know, what's phrases passion, and none of them would pick rugby league because I keep it very quiet. Yeah, and that's because I just know that people judge you on it. And but it's interesting. I had a guy that now works for me, Camp Switzer. He he sat with me. We were talking one day and I said I sort of scheapestly let it know that, yeah, I'm going to fly down the city with the family see the Tigers, and he said to me, that's really goodness, and I can. And he said, you know, you've got to be passionate about things in your life and it's great that you're you're passionate about football. And that was a like what we say at worker and Aha moment where you wake up and you go it is true, you know, falling,...

...sport is really good and it's it is a passion and you should really enjoy it. You know that it's it. You know, I I can understand why people don't like sport, but Jesus, nothing better that that whole group. It's because it's like out of church really, because it's like minded people to instead of praying, you're all going to the ground and that feeling when you walk into the ground and you see all the Orange Jumpers and you know, it's just awesome. So yeah, I mean that's it. I mean that's if vice always give to you guys. If you're going to do anything, follow anything, be passionate about it. So if you pick a team, be passionate about it. You know don't and that's why I'm probably Fussy that I don't have other sports, because I've only got I only got root, you know. You Know How passion I am about my team. Yeah, I don't think I go a lot, a lot of passion left for anything else at the hearts and so so I can watch sport like IFL, but you're not, you're not, you're not into it because you don't have the passion about it. So it's different. It's like the rock pebbles and analogy. You've got your big rocks of filling up the jar. May can't get many other it's like rugby league, like I can watch rugby league games and be totally disconnected from them because you go on tig is not play, but as soon as those guys cross the line, it's game on. That's it. Let's all finish up on that little like beautiful man. Okay, so coming on, Oh orry, see, yeah,.

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