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Episode 42 · 1 year ago

ENG vs WI 2nd Test Review & 3rd Test Preview - Episode 41

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Pilch joins the show to discuss all things the Wisden Trophy including analysis of the 2nd test and predicitions and comments on the 3rd and deciding test.

Cheese settle. Welcome episode forty one of the on the wall podcast, as you've just heard or seen, depending on what you're watching or listening on, once again joined by a Christian pilcher. Welcome Bait. Thanks right, how I pretty well thank you to my look cread but back from escape would and usually escapeboard, and usually when I skateboard, because, like the wind, usually come home looking like I've just just watched titanic and I've been crime for three hours or something, but I look sexy. Mate. Cheese made stop this. Yeah, so like we did the other way. Well, today was actually meant to be NFL fantasy episode, but unfortunately the third member of the three man band pulled out. He got the late call up to work, which is obviously a lot more important than this, because money actually matters. So we've postponed that to next set, to day's episode. So if you really working for that episode, unfortunately you're going to have to just hang on, sit on your hands for a week and wait for that one. But why don't join us today? We're going to be chatting about cricket once again, the Wisden trophy, so the England vs Western East Test Series and yeah, we're just going to talk about that. Pretty much nothing else to chat about in terms of cricket. There's not much else going on apart from the old three team cricket. But it wasn't actually that interesting really, just...

...three groups of players marking a ground. Basically. Did you actually hear that they're changing the name of the wisden trophy to the Richards both in the trophy? Did Not hear that, but I write a lot. This is the last year the WISTON trophy will be awarded to the winner of the Inglod Western eas test match. From now on it's going to be the riches both of them trophy. So yeah, I write that change. There's going to good come of time where every trophy is named about two players and they're just going to be like wait, what happens to like this generation, because it's like we can't just kick out the old people's name on the trophy. I don't know, Rainin and every fifty. Yeah, it's actually a fair point. So let's just quickly review the last test match. So England ended up winning by a hundred and thirteen runs, but and there was a day rained out. So it was a pretty comprehensive win, but you do need a bit of context. The West indies were about an hour off holding on for a drawer. So it was pretty tilely contested, despite what that school one does suggest. But it has to be said England word dominant pretty much every every minute of that test. Really set it up with that opening metings of four hundred and sixty nine runs and that huge partnership between the fellers Sibley and stokes. What was that partnership? One, two, three, hundred and forty one charters large actually, yeah, that's jound sixty, pretty quick. Maths are boys. So that's pretty unusual for England and something they've been lacking over the last wolf fair so long. Like England, that such an issue with people getting stuck between thirty and like sixty. So it was good to see to the lads really go on with it and although they did get criticized it, in particular Sibley for their slow scoring, right now you look back at...

...back at it after the match and England's one by a hundred and twenty runs and you can really put it down to that partnership. So I think the people criticizing that should shut up. Michael Holding included. I wasn't coffin that. Actually wasn't really copping it from the commentators because like fair enough in the moment saying it, but when you day five and you've legit realized that that innings has set up the test match, it's like, like what Michael Hold thing was saying was maybe when he got to a hundred he should have started accelerating, which I get that, but for people who just saying in general he boust to slow like just deal with it and, like Michael Holding was saying, the from a hundred onward was just selfish. What do you think of that call? Yeah, well, obviously, obviously it was a great innings. I mean since since Cook we've had a bit of a gap with our openers and it's good to see that we've got one that can finally buckle down and and he stamon. Yeah, look, yeah, exactly. And you love those sorts of players, don't you, mate your yeah one yourself. Why? It's like it's insane mental strength to like, although people would be more impressed by someone batting faster, someone who's played cricket. Do you as well, even though you haven't played for like six or seven years. You know, it's actually tougher to about slow than fast because, like fast, you just start. It's exciting for yourself, where when you get slow it's like insane patients and sane mental toughness, I would yeah, and you've got and you've got field as sledge and you are saying like our fall behind the run right here. But you've just got to got to ignore all that. Yeah, and commentated. You got like he's probably come home, I don't know, day two of the test and he's read the papers getting lipped off a screwing hundred and twenty, like yeah, actually have to cop that stuff. So, yeah, I really do respect it. But yeah, we were you impress, rest happy overall with the wind or yeah, well,...

...obviously it was an England clinic the rain. The rain almost got the drawer for the windies, but it was a one one way, one way stream. In time match England dominated and it was mainly been stokes. But yes, Sibley, Sibley's innings was very good as well. Sad, but he batted for like three hundred and eighty balls and then the first ball he tried to tea off. He got out on but yeah, he's clearly not that sort of playoffs. So yeah, and yeah, that was pretty much it. No one else really made runs. Joss Butler made like a junk time forty at the end. Few of the bowl was pitched in. Ross and chase took fire four pretty good. And then the West indies came out not a bad total of two hundred and eighty seven. In the first test they would have been a good total but just compared to that huge England first innings kind of just paled in comparison. BREATHWAITE and Shama Brooks and Ross and chase all with half centuries. And Yeah, that's just the difference between the two sides in that test. None of those three really went on with it and scored a big hundred like stokes and Sibley did. And then that moved us into the England second innings, where stokes decided to open himself. Or I don't know if it's the coaches decision or his own, but on it he wasn't a cuptain root. Sorry. So he came out smacks seventy eight hundred and fifty seven. Rely the most entertaining, contradictory to what I was saying before. I love my slow bats and but that our of test cricket was pretty, pretty silly. Yeah, just every ball rout would get a run or pope or even cruelly, and then stokes would just have a crack. So that was good fun. Just sort of shot early on the fifth morning. I think it was a holder or roach and he just danced him and smacked him a hundred meters. Yeah, mate, some of the show, but yeah, insane, like he's just so good he's a weapon.

Yeah, and then so they put on a hundred and twenty nine declared stokes probably, although at once again he's not the captain, but probably robbed of a ton there. It was good point. Actually what twenty two short of but which would have been pretty insane. He could have got it in like three or four overs. I actually didn't about that hurts the stats of the West indies bowls. This innings all economy rates over six. Gama Roach lucky enough to pick up two wickets. And then on the final, well, the final two sessions and a half, England skittled them for a hundred ninety eight. They just just couldn't hang on for the drawer. Black Wood and Brooks did their best put on a really good partnership. I think of over a hundred, but no one else went with them. Holder tried four hundred and thirty five, but yeah, there was just no one else really chipped in. dowage went cheaply, chase went cheaply in the top three or went pretty easily. So big win for England and it really just sets up this third test. I was getting a bit worried. I didn't want it to be a draw because that means we would have been stuck with the whole ashes thing where, yeah, they retain but like they could lose the series, will draw the series. So I didn't want that to happen. So I'm kind of happy England one and that really sets up this third test, as I was saying. But in terms of Ben Stokes, he one man of the match. We both gave him out. We did our votes again. We both gave him our five votes. Also, just quickly, in terms of those votes, rost and chase got for from me, three from you, Sibley got for from you, three from me, and then Shamar Brooks both got to broad got one. So that's a quick rundown of that. I'll go the votes leaderboard in a second. But do you think Ben Stokes is the best cricketer right now? Well, we were talking about this. We're talking about this at the next the other day. Yeah, and it's an interesting one because obviously you're on the bandwagon. You think he. You...

...think he is, and I probably agree if we're talking all formats. But I think Steve Smith probably still has him in tests only. That's that's my view. It's a tough one. Like I know Steve spinks a lot better batsman, don't get me wrong, but so if you look from the ashes until now, stokes has the second most runs. However, all bit he has played a lot more tests in the Australians and a few of the other countries, but he's sitting on two runs behind man has at an average of sixty. He has two hundred and fifty more runs and Steve Smith. But Smith's been going out an average of about seventy five. So he's got him there and stokes has like four tons, seven fifties or something, which is all pretty similar to Manus and Smith. So they've they've manus and Smith probably both have them in terms of the batting. And there's also blokes like Barbara's arm row hitch charmer, but they've been really played enough test to take their stats into account. So there's two main challenges for the best batsman in the world right now. And then warn the last year, twelve months anyway. And then you look at the bowling. So they've got him there, I admit that. But then you look at the bowling and he's in top ten for wickets taken and he's actually bowled less overs than everyone in the top six. So it's like he just doesn't he does it all and I know you look at it, you look at him and going as smiths away better batsman, but when you factor in that bowling, you factor in how good of a fields when years, although Smith is also a world class fielder. And then there's just something intangible about Ben Stokes. It's like he brings that aggressive competitiveness to an England team that otherwise I don't think would have it like England's historically kind of like you Joe Roots, your cooks, the kind of just pleasant people who are kind of the typical gentleman's of the cricket sport. But...

...stoked kind of brings that edge, that kind of Australia is typically known for really and just stuff. Like on the fifth day he was bowling with a really close field. Someone drove it through mid off. He took off after you bowl the ball, dived stop the ball when like the ball was legit this far from the rope. He dive full stretch knocked it back. Don't think he even saved a run because they ran for anyway. But like that's just the crazy stuff stokes does that I don't think many other cricketers would be willing to do. And he's just like in that test match she showed he can bat slow, he can bat fast and yeah, I don't know, I can't not really fully on the bust that he is the best cricketer. It was more kind of just a thought that I was thinking when I was watching that test. I was like, is this man actually the best cricketer on the planet? But yeah, it's just hard to hard to argue when you look at e stats. But I understand the Smith Call. Do you think in all three formats it would stokes as the number one? So like if we if we view clue all three. So this is why I put it. Say you're you've made a new country and you get to pick eleven players for your team and obviously, because you're a new country, you have a team in test Odis twenties. WHO's your first pick? Yeah, that's a very, very tough one. I mean I think I think in one day as stokes is as good a batsman alone as Steve Smith, because I don't really it's Smith definitely isn't the best in the world at one guy is, but i's not as dominant. Yeah, yeah, look, I probably would take stokes. I don't I don't know if there's some English bias in that call, but yeah, I guess Kolie Sharma true in turn, actually at Kolie Coolie, you'd almost take cold ever Smith if it was three formats.

Yeah, it's a tough one. Like I don't want to go to and depth because I haven't like actually fully thought it through all, looked at the stats or anything, but I definitely think it's something that well, it doesn't really need to be discussed, is it? They just going to play cricket no matter what people think of them. But I genuinely think if he has another cracker in this seat next test, he might well and truly have earned his spot on that. Mantle is the best cricketer in the world right now. But yeah, I just wanted to touch on that. Just hurting. Good debate. Yeah, it's an interesting one. Obviously there's some factors that play a part, like the Australians not playing cricket right now probably helps stokes as cause in my eyes, because I'm watching stuff pokes, I'm not watching Smith. And then but another thing in stokes is favor is in terms of his batting. He has to bat on hard decks, where hard decks to bout on hard pitches, whereas the Australians, like what they were playing on in the sum was just like cement. So yeah, that's true, but the smolling Smith is the the one player in that Australian team that dominated no matter what pitch. Yeah, no more manus, manus as well. Yeah, pretty luck not. I'm not on Smith's level, like in the ashes last year. Yeah, that was just ridiculous what Smith did. Yeah, right, if you took Smith out about ashes series, England would have cleaned it up like I reckon in like for one or something like that. Yeah, but then it's interesting because Smith didn't have a mood summer. Well, yeah, hed to. He's lofty standard. So it's an interesting player, Smithy, but obviously you'll probably take him carrying the team in the ashes over a Pakistan series at home. So that moves us into our votes leaderboard. At the moment I've actually got, despite me saying Ben Stokes about one...

...of the best cricketers in the world, arguably the best, I don't even have him on top of the moment. I've got bigg Ross Don Chase on top of my leaderboard. That five far in in the second match got got him the full votes and then in I think, he scored two s or something of s and it took a couple wickets in the first touch would test which picked him up to votes. And then he sits in front of holder and stokes tied on five votes. For you you've got Stokes. He's got a two point lead with seven votes on shouting Gabriel, who has the five from the first test. So all pretty tied up. Obviously a three test series is not going to be like a big lead for the winner. So both both are for grabs. Me Cork and PILCH's mvps. But yeah, so that moves us into the third test. How come tonight, you may you made a bit of a spicy, spicy call with giving chase the four votes in the in the last test over Simbley. Well, you gave well, you gave him three votes. Yeah. Yeah, but people always say that a fire for is the equivalent of a hundred. HMM. And then is it so? So if you cancel out the fire for in the hundred, then Sibley's made twenty runs because he met a hundred and twenty. Didn't batten the second things rost and chase took he didn't bowl again in the second innings, but he made a fifty in the first innings. Yeah, so that's just I was just my logic, but simbilly, especially because he kind of set up the wind probably stiff, not together for and like chase took for far, but fire far. But when the other teams made four hundred and seventy, just the five for even better and they actually declared. So it's not like it's five that really did anything. But you know, but he did not like he most of his wickets where the top order, wasn't it? Like you got, yeah, he took got cruelly out for a...

...dark yeah, who do you get through? He got burns out as well, I'm pretty sure. So yeah, they won't jump time Poles. But yeah, that leads us into the third test, as I said. And now what are you thinking for England selection at the moment? So this is coming out on Saturday, but we're talking about it on Friday. So we don't actually know the team yet. When you're listing you'll know because day one would have happened. All we know right now we've got a fourteen man squad. England has announced it is the squad of the last test plus the three Pacer bowls from the first test. So Anderson would and archer. So there's going to be three to be cut. Who are you going with? Who Do you think they should pick as the three? All maybe even? But I've seen some people on twitter saying don't pick best, but I'm interesting thinking for the bowling attack. Well, it's at the same ground right. Yeah, yes, and it was actually turning quite a bit. Yeah, so I definitely stok five. I'd definitely pick best, which means one of a couple of the bowlers would be pretty stiff. But I mean I'd probably go archer, broad Anderson. I do IRT curr and higher the most. But I can't really see them not picking archer. I think that's exactly what they'll do. Also, by the way, the best. Not Picking Best? They have stokes, who's taken the tide most wickets in the series. So why would you go five seams? But Anyway, so I definitely think that best is playing. Yeah, a hundred percent in grieve you. I don't necessarily want that, like I would pick differently, but I definitely think they'll go. And it's an archer and broad. Yeah, just because they're like probably the most trustworthy bowlers. I guess they've kind of shown over well Anderson Abroad for the last ten years after for the last twelve months, that they're top class bowls. Mark would definitely know. Yeah, I just it's hard to say because obviously I wanted him picked in the first test after a good South African series, but I just honestly don't know if he's built for test...

...cricket. Like, realistically, what he's built for is to run in and bowl like three overs of rapid pace and I'm not really sure if that suits test cricket and he's kind of like Mitchell Johnson in the early days before he turned good. Like he'll produce a pearl every now and then, but he bowls a lot of crap. And I guess you can argue the same with Jeffrey. Bowls a lot of Pooh as well, like in that first test he was bowling a lot of full tosses and stuff. But yeah, Joffred, just drop of draffer, often finds a rhythm, like he did in that second innings, and then he goes to work. Well, I don't think wood has really shown that and it's bad on off the back of that first test. I don't think he really deserves it over any of the other guys. And then, yeah, it's it's a tough one because I'm also big fan of current and if I'm honest, if I was to pick the side, I would probably only go with one or one of broad or answering, because I think at this point in their careers they're very similar bowls, like they both they're like they're not bowling that fast, the bowing one hundred and thirty fives and they're more about accuracies, seem swing. So I would personally only go one of them, but I definitely think they'll both get picked. Like I'd rather see one of them get picked, current for the left arm and an archer for the pace. I think they would be a well balanced lineup. But yeah, I definitely think broad, as in an archer, pretty stiff from pretty stiff on works has the best bowling average for the series out of all the England bowls. Actually bold. Well what so five for seventy six, almost economy rate of below to strike rate of forty four. So he'll be pretty stiff to be dropped. I think he made a few runs in the first innings. Maybe not sure about that, but yeah, pretty stiff for works. But it's kind of just the theme of his careers and it really kind of always just does a decent job when he gets...

...picked and then he's just seems to be the one who gets left out. But well, he'll keep grinding. Broad Anderson their careers, like you know, in their twilight phase. So I'm sure he'll get his opportunity if it is bowling. Well, did you hear? James Anderson came out and said he wants to play in the two thousand and twenty two ashes in Australia. Really, that's eighteen months away. So here we'd be like thirty nine. Yeah, well, I mean I wouldn't be against it, but he's not like good in Australia, though. Yeah, I guess it still broads on either. He's got a poor record, but last ashes over there he wasch bots don't. So yeah, truly. But yeah, so interesting there from Jimmy. But if he if he's there, they'll pick it because he's an absolutely legend of the sport. And then on the so that's pretty much it. There's going to be no batting changes, obviously, because there's not even anyone included in the squad who could be an option. Yeah, I found that. I found that interesting because obviously they finally dropped Denley after after our best wishes, but then cruelly got his opportunity and made a golden duck and then teed off that you can't. You can't drop someone after. Well, yes, I was actually worried, like I wanted them to, but I was worried they were going to bring him back, which would have been shocking. But yeah, I'm glad that it. You've got to commit. Gives them the least. Yeah, one or two test series in the position, I think, especially such a pivotal position like number three. I also saw some people calling for but Lah to be dropped. Hope keep that works at seven, which is an interesting one, but then all of a sudden you'd falling into the standard England trap of just having like to bowling all round US seven and eight, which is just not all, and then have an extra...

...seamer. Well works as the extra. Yeah, yeah, I don't know about that. Yeah, like I don't want Butler to play, but it would only be for folks in my opinion. Yeah, exactly. And then if we look at the West indies, obviously we're not the most knowledgeable on their side of things, but they've had serious issues out in the top order. John Campbell does not look up to it. He kind of just I think he's gone to the point on the tour where he's like I'm out of form, so I'm just kind of try and swing my way into fall, which is just not working for the great man. I think it was in that second innings maybe, but he often does this. He or hit a couple falls early and then he would just like broat or something will make him look like a fool. So there's people saying he might be dropped. And then there's also people saying shy hope might be dropped at Jason holder came out this morning and you know he was backing him up, saying that we like have full faith and hope, but he didn't say anything about John Campbell. So stiff. Yeah, so I don't know. I don't know. Do you think they should make a change, like they've done pretty well this series? Yeah, or I mean yeah, hope point get dropped. I'm not really sure who. WHO's in the pecking order to open? Yeah, the BS, the only three options are. So they've got that bottle guy in private honor, but he's the middle order bouts when he's the only guy in the squad, basically, and then they've got Shane Mosley, who is experienced, like he's played a few tests here or there as an opening batsman. He's in the reserves, but he did nothing in the practice games. And then they have Joshua ta silver, who he actually scored a hundred and ninety in one of the innings opening the batting is only twenty two, so he could be a kind of left field choice, but I honestly think they're just going to pick the same team yeah, it's only it's only been a two test so far, so I guess off a long break it would be fair...

...to give them another shot at it. Yeah, there's not. There's not too much reason to change things up. Yeah, but in turn, in the long term, I think there's a few players this is a really important test for. I think it's really important for John Campbell and Shay Hope, both of them, because Darren Bravo and Darren Bravo and Shimron had my you assume they're going to be back for the next test series and they're both Batsman who have batted at three and four in the past. So all of a sudden shy hope could be could be left out of the squad for the next Tet will not the squad, but the first eleven it in the first test of the next series. So I think it's a really big match for him. He's shown a lot of promise his whole career really, but he hasn't really produced much for the last three seasons. Yeah, so it'll be interesting to see how they go. Maybe a batting order, a shuffle which Michael Holding or even Bishop, I can't remember who was saying it. They were suggesting that they reckon maybe hope down to five or something, which I think could work. But the problem with that is brooks is doing really well and number four chases doing fairly decent job at number five, and then Blackwood looks like a natural number six. Will lower or aboutsman? Yeah, lower's a middle or a batsman. So I don't know if you really want to disrupt that just for the benefit of a player who's out of form, because it's kind of like it's their issue. You shouldn't really punish other players for a kind of but Crosston, chase and Brooks both they're pretty they've shown good temperament, so I think they would both work at number three. But it's kind of you don't really want to disrupt it, do it's a bit it's a pretty big risk. Yeah, wouldn't be shuffling those guys around. Yeah, so we'll find out tonight, I guess, what they do. And then, in terms of England, obviously Jos is going to play, despite a few people on twitter calling for that pope keeper shuffle thing. But it's a...

...big it's a big test for Joss Butler's career. If he doesn't make runs in either innings this test match. I think. I think he would be, like I would be backing in been folks to start the first test of Pakistan series. I don't know if they play a what AFFURT, because I know there's no test players in the one day scored against Ireland, so I don't know if there's a first class practice game in between. I doubt that would be because it's quite a tight schedule. But Yeah, I reckon bend folks would be given the crack because you can't this isn't good enough of Butler, is it that? Yeah, I want. Yeah, we wanted folks to play this series and yeah, he should. He should be the man. But yeah, like, it has to be said it's a bit stiff on Butler because, especially in this series, there's been a few winnings where he's kind of had to be selfless, like when he was opening with stokes. That's obviously not his position, is it? But yeah, that's just something we could keep. It does and there's been quite a few times where it's actually been the perfect joss Butler situation and he's coming and only scored twenty thirty, yeah, which needs to be scoring into like s in the above. So yeah, I reckon. It's a really big test for job. But Josh Butler, not so much with the gloves. I think he's been doing a fine job there. But yeah, especially with the BAT. and He is anyone else under fired? Reckon for the England in the England line up in terms of that Pakistan series? Well, Burns hasn't made any runs, has he? No, he has. He made a forty, I think, in the second and he was of the his test. So I mean there's still there's still the potential for you know, denly to push out one of cruelly or burns, like cruelly could open. But apart from that, I think we'll definitely stick with pope, even though he's done nothing.

Yeah, because he's he had a great series against South Africa and he's up and coming. But yeah, not not too much. WOULDNA thought. Yeah, maybe maybe they might lose patients with pope at six and might put them up the order. Yeah, potential if he preprayers that, because a lot of the time, similar to Butler, is kind of coming out and like lose, lose situations where he's got about fast and so really he's game, is it. But yeah, birds probably the one in trouble most. But even then it's only, like I was saying, for the West indies it's only three tests back from da a three or four month lockdown. So I think they will go pretty much the same line up, especially if they win the test. If they, you know, get skittled, it might be a different story because it'd be a pretty embarrassing test series loss, if I'm honest, if they lose this one. Western news I don't think had a single point in the test championship coming into this. But yeah, that's pretty much all I've got for for that serious any anything else you would like to point on in the test match coming up tonight? Nothing in particular, just hope, the hope the boys can back it up when the series. Would you prefer them to that first or well, first, mate. Well, we always like. We always like seeing, you know, Jimmy opened the bowling on day one. But probably, unless it's like, unless the conditions really suited, I'd probably be saying about first. Yeah, showed in there and that second test that it really can set up a test match. Yeah, so yeah, that's pretty much it. I'm not going to just talk absolute rubbish and try and get this up to an hour or anything. I'm just going to cut it there. That's all we wanted to talk about. Really got some big episodes coming in the next few weeks. I know I've got one. I think I've actually recording four episodes in four days because I'm...

...recording one today, one tomorrow, one on Sunday and one on Monday. So big schedule in the potty life. Yeah, it's good fun and union holidays. Good luck for union results. May come out on Monday or Sunday if you signed up for that. So good luck to anyone who goes to the same university at us as I saw anyone who's getting uni results. And Yeah, stay tuned, and two for that man. Thanks, Big Fella. Stays stay tuned. Some big episodes coming out. So yeah, thanks for listening and thanks for Johnny your coach. Cheers,.

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