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Episode 42 · 1 year ago

ENG vs WI 2nd Test Review & 3rd Test Preview - Episode 41

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Pilch joins the show to discuss all things the Wisden Trophy including analysis of the 2nd test and predicitions and comments on the 3rd and deciding test.

Cheese settle. Welcome episode forty oneof the on the wall podcast, as you've just heard or seen, dependingon what you're watching or listening on, once again joined by a Christian pilcher. Welcome Bait. Thanks right, how I pretty well thank you to mylook cread but back from escape would and usually escapeboard, and usually when Iskateboard, because, like the wind, usually come home looking like I've justjust watched titanic and I've been crime for three hours or something, but Ilook sexy. Mate. Cheese made stop this. Yeah, so like wedid the other way. Well, today was actually meant to be NFL fantasyepisode, but unfortunately the third member of the three man band pulled out.He got the late call up to work, which is obviously a lot more importantthan this, because money actually matters. So we've postponed that to next set, to day's episode. So if you really working for that episode,unfortunately you're going to have to just hang on, sit on your hands fora week and wait for that one. But why don't join us today?We're going to be chatting about cricket once again, the Wisden trophy, sothe England vs Western East Test Series and yeah, we're just going to talkabout that. Pretty much nothing else to chat about in terms of cricket.There's not much else going on apart from the old three team cricket. Butit wasn't actually that interesting really, just...

...three groups of players marking a ground. Basically. Did you actually hear that they're changing the name of the wisdentrophy to the Richards both in the trophy? Did Not hear that, but Iwrite a lot. This is the last year the WISTON trophy will beawarded to the winner of the Inglod Western eas test match. From now onit's going to be the riches both of them trophy. So yeah, Iwrite that change. There's going to good come of time where every trophy isnamed about two players and they're just going to be like wait, what happensto like this generation, because it's like we can't just kick out the oldpeople's name on the trophy. I don't know, Rainin and every fifty.Yeah, it's actually a fair point. So let's just quickly review the lasttest match. So England ended up winning by a hundred and thirteen runs,but and there was a day rained out. So it was a pretty comprehensive win, but you do need a bit of context. The West indies wereabout an hour off holding on for a drawer. So it was pretty tilelycontested, despite what that school one does suggest. But it has to besaid England word dominant pretty much every every minute of that test. Really setit up with that opening metings of four hundred and sixty nine runs and thathuge partnership between the fellers Sibley and stokes. What was that partnership? One,two, three, hundred and forty one charters large actually, yeah,that's jound sixty, pretty quick. Maths are boys. So that's pretty unusualfor England and something they've been lacking over the last wolf fair so long.Like England, that such an issue with people getting stuck between thirty and likesixty. So it was good to see to the lads really go on withit and although they did get criticized it, in particular Sibley for their slow scoring, right now you look back at...

...back at it after the match andEngland's one by a hundred and twenty runs and you can really put it downto that partnership. So I think the people criticizing that should shut up.Michael Holding included. I wasn't coffin that. Actually wasn't really copping it from thecommentators because like fair enough in the moment saying it, but when youday five and you've legit realized that that innings has set up the test match, it's like, like what Michael Hold thing was saying was maybe when hegot to a hundred he should have started accelerating, which I get that,but for people who just saying in general he boust to slow like just dealwith it and, like Michael Holding was saying, the from a hundred onwardwas just selfish. What do you think of that call? Yeah, well, obviously, obviously it was a great innings. I mean since since Cookwe've had a bit of a gap with our openers and it's good to seethat we've got one that can finally buckle down and and he stamon. Yeah, look, yeah, exactly. And you love those sorts of players,don't you, mate your yeah one yourself. Why? It's like it's insane mentalstrength to like, although people would be more impressed by someone batting faster, someone who's played cricket. Do you as well, even though you haven'tplayed for like six or seven years. You know, it's actually tougher toabout slow than fast because, like fast, you just start. It's exciting foryourself, where when you get slow it's like insane patients and sane mentaltoughness, I would yeah, and you've got and you've got field as sledgeand you are saying like our fall behind the run right here. But you'vejust got to got to ignore all that. Yeah, and commentated. You gotlike he's probably come home, I don't know, day two of thetest and he's read the papers getting lipped off a screwing hundred and twenty,like yeah, actually have to cop that stuff. So, yeah, Ireally do respect it. But yeah, we were you impress, rest happyoverall with the wind or yeah, well,...

...obviously it was an England clinic therain. The rain almost got the drawer for the windies, but itwas a one one way, one way stream. In time match England dominatedand it was mainly been stokes. But yes, Sibley, Sibley's innings wasvery good as well. Sad, but he batted for like three hundred andeighty balls and then the first ball he tried to tea off. He gotout on but yeah, he's clearly not that sort of playoffs. So yeah, and yeah, that was pretty much it. No one else really maderuns. Joss Butler made like a junk time forty at the end. Fewof the bowl was pitched in. Ross and chase took fire four pretty good. And then the West indies came out not a bad total of two hundredand eighty seven. In the first test they would have been a good totalbut just compared to that huge England first innings kind of just paled in comparison. BREATHWAITE and Shama Brooks and Ross and chase all with half centuries. AndYeah, that's just the difference between the two sides in that test. Noneof those three really went on with it and scored a big hundred like stokesand Sibley did. And then that moved us into the England second innings,where stokes decided to open himself. Or I don't know if it's the coachesdecision or his own, but on it he wasn't a cuptain root. Sorry. So he came out smacks seventy eight hundred and fifty seven. Rely themost entertaining, contradictory to what I was saying before. I love my slowbats and but that our of test cricket was pretty, pretty silly. Yeah, just every ball rout would get a run or pope or even cruelly,and then stokes would just have a crack. So that was good fun. Justsort of shot early on the fifth morning. I think it was aholder or roach and he just danced him and smacked him a hundred meters.Yeah, mate, some of the show, but yeah, insane, like he'sjust so good he's a weapon.

Yeah, and then so they puton a hundred and twenty nine declared stokes probably, although at once again he'snot the captain, but probably robbed of a ton there. It was goodpoint. Actually what twenty two short of but which would have been pretty insane. He could have got it in like three or four overs. I actuallydidn't about that hurts the stats of the West indies bowls. This innings alleconomy rates over six. Gama Roach lucky enough to pick up two wickets.And then on the final, well, the final two sessions and a half, England skittled them for a hundred ninety eight. They just just couldn't hangon for the drawer. Black Wood and Brooks did their best put on areally good partnership. I think of over a hundred, but no one elsewent with them. Holder tried four hundred and thirty five, but yeah,there was just no one else really chipped in. dowage went cheaply, chasewent cheaply in the top three or went pretty easily. So big win forEngland and it really just sets up this third test. I was getting abit worried. I didn't want it to be a draw because that means wewould have been stuck with the whole ashes thing where, yeah, they retainbut like they could lose the series, will draw the series. So Ididn't want that to happen. So I'm kind of happy England one and thatreally sets up this third test, as I was saying. But in termsof Ben Stokes, he one man of the match. We both gave himout. We did our votes again. We both gave him our five votes. Also, just quickly, in terms of those votes, rost and chasegot for from me, three from you, Sibley got for from you, threefrom me, and then Shamar Brooks both got to broad got one.So that's a quick rundown of that. I'll go the votes leaderboard in asecond. But do you think Ben Stokes is the best cricketer right now?Well, we were talking about this. We're talking about this at the nextthe other day. Yeah, and it's an interesting one because obviously you're onthe bandwagon. You think he. You...

...think he is, and I probablyagree if we're talking all formats. But I think Steve Smith probably still hashim in tests only. That's that's my view. It's a tough one.Like I know Steve spinks a lot better batsman, don't get me wrong,but so if you look from the ashes until now, stokes has the secondmost runs. However, all bit he has played a lot more tests inthe Australians and a few of the other countries, but he's sitting on tworuns behind man has at an average of sixty. He has two hundred andfifty more runs and Steve Smith. But Smith's been going out an average ofabout seventy five. So he's got him there and stokes has like four tons, seven fifties or something, which is all pretty similar to Manus and Smith. So they've they've manus and Smith probably both have them in terms of thebatting. And there's also blokes like Barbara's arm row hitch charmer, but they'vebeen really played enough test to take their stats into account. So there's twomain challenges for the best batsman in the world right now. And then warnthe last year, twelve months anyway. And then you look at the bowling. So they've got him there, I admit that. But then you lookat the bowling and he's in top ten for wickets taken and he's actually bowledless overs than everyone in the top six. So it's like he just doesn't hedoes it all and I know you look at it, you look athim and going as smiths away better batsman, but when you factor in that bowling, you factor in how good of a fields when years, although Smithis also a world class fielder. And then there's just something intangible about BenStokes. It's like he brings that aggressive competitiveness to an England team that otherwiseI don't think would have it like England's historically kind of like you Joe Roots, your cooks, the kind of just pleasant people who are kind of thetypical gentleman's of the cricket sport. But...

...stoked kind of brings that edge,that kind of Australia is typically known for really and just stuff. Like onthe fifth day he was bowling with a really close field. Someone drove itthrough mid off. He took off after you bowl the ball, dived stopthe ball when like the ball was legit this far from the rope. Hedive full stretch knocked it back. Don't think he even saved a run becausethey ran for anyway. But like that's just the crazy stuff stokes does thatI don't think many other cricketers would be willing to do. And he's justlike in that test match she showed he can bat slow, he can batfast and yeah, I don't know, I can't not really fully on thebust that he is the best cricketer. It was more kind of just athought that I was thinking when I was watching that test. I was like, is this man actually the best cricketer on the planet? But yeah,it's just hard to hard to argue when you look at e stats. ButI understand the Smith Call. Do you think in all three formats it wouldstokes as the number one? So like if we if we view clue allthree. So this is why I put it. Say you're you've made anew country and you get to pick eleven players for your team and obviously,because you're a new country, you have a team in test Odis twenties.WHO's your first pick? Yeah, that's a very, very tough one.I mean I think I think in one day as stokes is as good abatsman alone as Steve Smith, because I don't really it's Smith definitely isn't thebest in the world at one guy is, but i's not as dominant. Yeah, yeah, look, I probably would take stokes. I don't Idon't know if there's some English bias in that call, but yeah, Iguess Kolie Sharma true in turn, actually at Kolie Coolie, you'd almost takecold ever Smith if it was three formats.

Yeah, it's a tough one.Like I don't want to go to and depth because I haven't like actuallyfully thought it through all, looked at the stats or anything, but Idefinitely think it's something that well, it doesn't really need to be discussed,is it? They just going to play cricket no matter what people think ofthem. But I genuinely think if he has another cracker in this seat nexttest, he might well and truly have earned his spot on that. Mantleis the best cricketer in the world right now. But yeah, I justwanted to touch on that. Just hurting. Good debate. Yeah, it's aninteresting one. Obviously there's some factors that play a part, like theAustralians not playing cricket right now probably helps stokes as cause in my eyes,because I'm watching stuff pokes, I'm not watching Smith. And then but anotherthing in stokes is favor is in terms of his batting. He has tobat on hard decks, where hard decks to bout on hard pitches, whereasthe Australians, like what they were playing on in the sum was just likecement. So yeah, that's true, but the smolling Smith is the theone player in that Australian team that dominated no matter what pitch. Yeah,no more manus, manus as well. Yeah, pretty luck not. I'mnot on Smith's level, like in the ashes last year. Yeah, thatwas just ridiculous what Smith did. Yeah, right, if you took Smith outabout ashes series, England would have cleaned it up like I reckon inlike for one or something like that. Yeah, but then it's interesting becauseSmith didn't have a mood summer. Well, yeah, hed to. He's loftystandard. So it's an interesting player, Smithy, but obviously you'll probably takehim carrying the team in the ashes over a Pakistan series at home.So that moves us into our votes leaderboard. At the moment I've actually got,despite me saying Ben Stokes about one...

...of the best cricketers in the world, arguably the best, I don't even have him on top of the moment. I've got bigg Ross Don Chase on top of my leaderboard. That fivefar in in the second match got got him the full votes and then inI think, he scored two s or something of s and it took acouple wickets in the first touch would test which picked him up to votes.And then he sits in front of holder and stokes tied on five votes.For you you've got Stokes. He's got a two point lead with seven voteson shouting Gabriel, who has the five from the first test. So allpretty tied up. Obviously a three test series is not going to be likea big lead for the winner. So both both are for grabs. MeCork and PILCH's mvps. But yeah, so that moves us into the thirdtest. How come tonight, you may you made a bit of a spicy, spicy call with giving chase the four votes in the in the last testover Simbley. Well, you gave well, you gave him three votes. Yeah. Yeah, but people always say that a fire for is the equivalentof a hundred. HMM. And then is it so? So if youcancel out the fire for in the hundred, then Sibley's made twenty runs because hemet a hundred and twenty. Didn't batten the second things rost and chasetook he didn't bowl again in the second innings, but he made a fiftyin the first innings. Yeah, so that's just I was just my logic, but simbilly, especially because he kind of set up the wind probably stiff, not together for and like chase took for far, but fire far.But when the other teams made four hundred and seventy, just the five foreven better and they actually declared. So it's not like it's five that reallydid anything. But you know, but he did not like he most ofhis wickets where the top order, wasn't it? Like you got, yeah, he took got cruelly out for a...

...dark yeah, who do you getthrough? He got burns out as well, I'm pretty sure. So yeah,they won't jump time Poles. But yeah, that leads us into thethird test, as I said. And now what are you thinking for Englandselection at the moment? So this is coming out on Saturday, but we'retalking about it on Friday. So we don't actually know the team yet.When you're listing you'll know because day one would have happened. All we knowright now we've got a fourteen man squad. England has announced it is the squadof the last test plus the three Pacer bowls from the first test.So Anderson would and archer. So there's going to be three to be cut. Who are you going with? Who Do you think they should pick asthe three? All maybe even? But I've seen some people on twitter sayingdon't pick best, but I'm interesting thinking for the bowling attack. Well,it's at the same ground right. Yeah, yes, and it was actually turningquite a bit. Yeah, so I definitely stok five. I'd definitelypick best, which means one of a couple of the bowlers would be prettystiff. But I mean I'd probably go archer, broad Anderson. I doIRT curr and higher the most. But I can't really see them not pickingarcher. I think that's exactly what they'll do. Also, by the way, the best. Not Picking Best? They have stokes, who's taken thetide most wickets in the series. So why would you go five seams?But Anyway, so I definitely think that best is playing. Yeah, ahundred percent in grieve you. I don't necessarily want that, like I wouldpick differently, but I definitely think they'll go. And it's an archer andbroad. Yeah, just because they're like probably the most trustworthy bowlers. Iguess they've kind of shown over well Anderson Abroad for the last ten years afterfor the last twelve months, that they're top class bowls. Mark would definitelyknow. Yeah, I just it's hard to say because obviously I wanted himpicked in the first test after a good South African series, but I justhonestly don't know if he's built for test...

...cricket. Like, realistically, whathe's built for is to run in and bowl like three overs of rapid paceand I'm not really sure if that suits test cricket and he's kind of likeMitchell Johnson in the early days before he turned good. Like he'll produce apearl every now and then, but he bowls a lot of crap. AndI guess you can argue the same with Jeffrey. Bowls a lot of Poohas well, like in that first test he was bowling a lot of fulltosses and stuff. But yeah, Joffred, just drop of draffer, often findsa rhythm, like he did in that second innings, and then hegoes to work. Well, I don't think wood has really shown that andit's bad on off the back of that first test. I don't think hereally deserves it over any of the other guys. And then, yeah,it's it's a tough one because I'm also big fan of current and if I'mhonest, if I was to pick the side, I would probably only gowith one or one of broad or answering, because I think at this point intheir careers they're very similar bowls, like they both they're like they're notbowling that fast, the bowing one hundred and thirty fives and they're more aboutaccuracies, seem swing. So I would personally only go one of them,but I definitely think they'll both get picked. Like I'd rather see one of themget picked, current for the left arm and an archer for the pace. I think they would be a well balanced lineup. But yeah, Idefinitely think broad, as in an archer, pretty stiff from pretty stiff on workshas the best bowling average for the series out of all the England bowls. Actually bold. Well what so five for seventy six, almost economy rateof below to strike rate of forty four. So he'll be pretty stiff to bedropped. I think he made a few runs in the first innings.Maybe not sure about that, but yeah, pretty stiff for works. But it'skind of just the theme of his careers and it really kind of alwaysjust does a decent job when he gets...

...picked and then he's just seems tobe the one who gets left out. But well, he'll keep grinding.Broad Anderson their careers, like you know, in their twilight phase. So I'msure he'll get his opportunity if it is bowling. Well, did youhear? James Anderson came out and said he wants to play in the twothousand and twenty two ashes in Australia. Really, that's eighteen months away.So here we'd be like thirty nine. Yeah, well, I mean Iwouldn't be against it, but he's not like good in Australia, though.Yeah, I guess it still broads on either. He's got a poor record, but last ashes over there he wasch bots don't. So yeah, truly. But yeah, so interesting there from Jimmy. But if he if he'sthere, they'll pick it because he's an absolutely legend of the sport. Andthen on the so that's pretty much it. There's going to be no batting changes, obviously, because there's not even anyone included in the squad who couldbe an option. Yeah, I found that. I found that interesting becauseobviously they finally dropped Denley after after our best wishes, but then cruelly gothis opportunity and made a golden duck and then teed off that you can't.You can't drop someone after. Well, yes, I was actually worried,like I wanted them to, but I was worried they were going to bringhim back, which would have been shocking. But yeah, I'm glad that it. You've got to commit. Gives them the least. Yeah, oneor two test series in the position, I think, especially such a pivotalposition like number three. I also saw some people calling for but Lah tobe dropped. Hope keep that works at seven, which is an interesting one, but then all of a sudden you'd falling into the standard England trap ofjust having like to bowling all round US seven and eight, which is justnot all, and then have an extra...

...seamer. Well works as the extra. Yeah, yeah, I don't know about that. Yeah, like Idon't want Butler to play, but it would only be for folks in myopinion. Yeah, exactly. And then if we look at the West indies, obviously we're not the most knowledgeable on their side of things, but they'vehad serious issues out in the top order. John Campbell does not look up toit. He kind of just I think he's gone to the point onthe tour where he's like I'm out of form, so I'm just kind oftry and swing my way into fall, which is just not working for thegreat man. I think it was in that second innings maybe, but heoften does this. He or hit a couple falls early and then he wouldjust like broat or something will make him look like a fool. So there'speople saying he might be dropped. And then there's also people saying shy hopemight be dropped at Jason holder came out this morning and you know he wasbacking him up, saying that we like have full faith and hope, buthe didn't say anything about John Campbell. So stiff. Yeah, so Idon't know. I don't know. Do you think they should make a change, like they've done pretty well this series? Yeah, or I mean yeah,hope point get dropped. I'm not really sure who. WHO's in thepecking order to open? Yeah, the BS, the only three options are. So they've got that bottle guy in private honor, but he's the middleorder bouts when he's the only guy in the squad, basically, and thenthey've got Shane Mosley, who is experienced, like he's played a few tests hereor there as an opening batsman. He's in the reserves, but hedid nothing in the practice games. And then they have Joshua ta silver,who he actually scored a hundred and ninety in one of the innings opening thebatting is only twenty two, so he could be a kind of left fieldchoice, but I honestly think they're just going to pick the same team yeah, it's only it's only been a two test so far, so I guessoff a long break it would be fair...

...to give them another shot at it. Yeah, there's not. There's not too much reason to change things up. Yeah, but in turn, in the long term, I think there'sa few players this is a really important test for. I think it's reallyimportant for John Campbell and Shay Hope, both of them, because Darren Bravoand Darren Bravo and Shimron had my you assume they're going to be back forthe next test series and they're both Batsman who have batted at three and fourin the past. So all of a sudden shy hope could be could beleft out of the squad for the next Tet will not the squad, butthe first eleven it in the first test of the next series. So Ithink it's a really big match for him. He's shown a lot of promise hiswhole career really, but he hasn't really produced much for the last threeseasons. Yeah, so it'll be interesting to see how they go. Maybea batting order, a shuffle which Michael Holding or even Bishop, I can'tremember who was saying it. They were suggesting that they reckon maybe hope downto five or something, which I think could work. But the problem withthat is brooks is doing really well and number four chases doing fairly decent jobat number five, and then Blackwood looks like a natural number six. Willlower or aboutsman? Yeah, lower's a middle or a batsman. So Idon't know if you really want to disrupt that just for the benefit of aplayer who's out of form, because it's kind of like it's their issue.You shouldn't really punish other players for a kind of but Crosston, chase andBrooks both they're pretty they've shown good temperament, so I think they would both workat number three. But it's kind of you don't really want to disruptit, do it's a bit it's a pretty big risk. Yeah, wouldn'tbe shuffling those guys around. Yeah, so we'll find out tonight, Iguess, what they do. And then, in terms of England, obviously Josis going to play, despite a few people on twitter calling for thatpope keeper shuffle thing. But it's a...

...big it's a big test for JossButler's career. If he doesn't make runs in either innings this test match.I think. I think he would be, like I would be backing in beenfolks to start the first test of Pakistan series. I don't know ifthey play a what AFFURT, because I know there's no test players in theone day scored against Ireland, so I don't know if there's a first classpractice game in between. I doubt that would be because it's quite a tightschedule. But Yeah, I reckon bend folks would be given the crack becauseyou can't this isn't good enough of Butler, is it that? Yeah, Iwant. Yeah, we wanted folks to play this series and yeah,he should. He should be the man. But yeah, like, it hasto be said it's a bit stiff on Butler because, especially in thisseries, there's been a few winnings where he's kind of had to be selfless, like when he was opening with stokes. That's obviously not his position, isit? But yeah, that's just something we could keep. It doesand there's been quite a few times where it's actually been the perfect joss Butlersituation and he's coming and only scored twenty thirty, yeah, which needs tobe scoring into like s in the above. So yeah, I reckon. It'sa really big test for job. But Josh Butler, not so muchwith the gloves. I think he's been doing a fine job there. Butyeah, especially with the BAT. and He is anyone else under fired?Reckon for the England in the England line up in terms of that Pakistan series? Well, Burns hasn't made any runs, has he? No, he has. He made a forty, I think, in the second and hewas of the his test. So I mean there's still there's still the potentialfor you know, denly to push out one of cruelly or burns, likecruelly could open. But apart from that, I think we'll definitely stick with pope, even though he's done nothing.

Yeah, because he's he had agreat series against South Africa and he's up and coming. But yeah, notnot too much. WOULDNA thought. Yeah, maybe maybe they might lose patients withpope at six and might put them up the order. Yeah, potentialif he preprayers that, because a lot of the time, similar to Butler, is kind of coming out and like lose, lose situations where he's gotabout fast and so really he's game, is it. But yeah, birdsprobably the one in trouble most. But even then it's only, like Iwas saying, for the West indies it's only three tests back from da athree or four month lockdown. So I think they will go pretty much thesame line up, especially if they win the test. If they, youknow, get skittled, it might be a different story because it'd be apretty embarrassing test series loss, if I'm honest, if they lose this one. Western news I don't think had a single point in the test championship cominginto this. But yeah, that's pretty much all I've got for for thatserious any anything else you would like to point on in the test match comingup tonight? Nothing in particular, just hope, the hope the boys canback it up when the series. Would you prefer them to that first orwell, first, mate. Well, we always like. We always likeseeing, you know, Jimmy opened the bowling on day one. But probably, unless it's like, unless the conditions really suited, I'd probably be sayingabout first. Yeah, showed in there and that second test that it reallycan set up a test match. Yeah, so yeah, that's pretty much it. I'm not going to just talk absolute rubbish and try and get thisup to an hour or anything. I'm just going to cut it there.That's all we wanted to talk about. Really got some big episodes coming inthe next few weeks. I know I've got one. I think I've actuallyrecording four episodes in four days because I'm...

...recording one today, one tomorrow,one on Sunday and one on Monday. So big schedule in the potty life. Yeah, it's good fun and union holidays. Good luck for union results. May come out on Monday or Sunday if you signed up for that.So good luck to anyone who goes to the same university at us as Isaw anyone who's getting uni results. And Yeah, stay tuned, and twofor that man. Thanks, Big Fella. Stays stay tuned. Some big episodescoming out. So yeah, thanks for listening and thanks for Johnny yourcoach. Cheers,.

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