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Episode 27 · 2 years ago

AFL Relegation, New Tennis Schedule & NFL Contract Holdouts - Episode 26

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Christian once again joins Hamish discuss the recent events in the sporting world including suggestions of promotion and relegation in the AFL, an updated tennis schedule and recent NFL contractual holdouts.

Cheese settle. Welcome back to the honoraball podcast. Today is episode twenty six, once again joined by Christian pilchure. As you can see. Welcome to thanks right, good to be back again. So we said this last episode. So I can't guarantee anything, but we will once again be recording this and attempting to get it up to youtube. With last time was a bit of a trial and everything and we trialed and Erd. So hopefully this one, the guests and check turns out well and we get a youtube video up for you as well as the podcast on all the listing platforms. So just check out the social media platforms that I'm sure we will let you know if it got up on Youtube or not. Otherwise we'll just have to try again another day. So today it's a bit of a bit of a more relaxed informal chat. It's not on interview, nothing like that, but we're just going to be chatting about the world sport. There's a lot more going on at the moment as there was maybe a month ago. A lot of sports back, a lot of new is about sports coming back has hit the hit the media this week. So why don't we just start off talking about tennis. It's a sport we both dearly love. Yesterday, I think it was yesterday, they announced, well, earlier on the week there was rooms the US Open. We're still going to go ahead, and that led to a lot of our age from players and stuff like that. I know Nick Kiios took to twitter and just ripped the USO from basically, but then they announced yesterday. I'm not sure who announced it. I don't know if it was like the ATP or Dota or both of them or just some Rando Geyser, but they announced the new schedule. So there's been a rescheduling. So at the moment the first seven weeks are looking like this. So we've got the Washington open, which is a five hundred, then we've got the cincinnating masters are so it's kicking off on the seventeen of August, then the Cincinnati Masters on the twenty four of August. Then we roll onto the US Open for spending from the thirty one of August to the fourteen of September. But then, interestingly, there's a two hundred and fifty on the second week of the US Open. So it's probably going to be one of the worst two S of all time. But which on? That's kits bull, the offering open. Yep. So then we move into the clay season, which is only a month, which is, to be fair, not that dissimilar. It's usually pretty short, but it's like it's kind of like the grass season this year, just a couple weeks. But Um, yeah, we've got a fifty. Then we've got the math Madrid masters, the Rome Masters and then the French Open. So it's a pretty jam pack two months of Tennis. You've got three masters and to Cren slams. So all up you're looking at like, I don't even know, like eightzero points or something to play for. Rafa is defending both slams, so pretty big two months for him. And then this wasn't so much highlighted, but I'm on the ATP world to wikipedia page. There's like a schedule right through to the twenty three of November. But that's basically looks like just the normal end of season schedule with like Shanghai masters, Paris Masters and then the finals. So yeah, what are your sorts on that? May Well, I think there will be a lot of mixed reviews from the players on that. But obviously as a as a tennis fan, I'm keene for it get back up and running and I think it's good that they're not just skipping the clay season, because I'm the clay seasons pretty important. So it's good to see Roman, Roman, Madrid and the French Open, obviously. Yeah, the Seccernados, if the world, will be pretty pleased with that stet September schedule. Probably they'll probably just tank the US Open to make sure they don't go on like a cheeky fourth run, fourth round run or something, so they can go win the Austrian Open. Well, what are you as a die hard Novak Fan? How do you feel about it from his point of view? Well, the fact really isn't defending much at the French and the US is a good thing, so I think. I think he's, barring any major issues, who'll probably finish...

...his number one this year, based on that and because they're freezing the points for Wimbledon as well. Yeah, exactly. So I can't really see a well where he doesn't finish number one or a world where he probably doesn't snag one of those two titles, one of the two slamps. Yeah, or he might just do the classic Novak just win all the masters. Now he win the here, will the US, and he win the French as well. Well, that's such insightful analysis a friend. But yeah, I will be interesting to see. I think that five hundred in Washington will legit be like the best five hundred of all time because that's like the only official warm up tournament before the since Aunti Masters. So that should be pretty, pretty spicy to actually, I love some good cooks and good players will go there and it usually is pretty big anyway. They are the skinny. Yeah, it'll be interesting though, because, well, rodgers not playing. He is. Yeah, he's out, opted to get surgery and he'll be back next year. Then you've got the likes of Ki US and stuff right ranting on twitter. So it'll be interesting to see if anyone actually how many people do go? You would think a lot would go because there's so many points at stake. It could be a career defining moment of to go or not to go, basically like it. If your rank fifty, I don't think you can physically pass up on the opportunity of three masters and two slams, because you could see yourself rank like a hundred at the end of the season. If, yeah, you don't pass up on that offer. So if you don't take that off or up. So the only man I could see not going is is curios could. Yeah, he doesn't give two shits. But everyone else, everyone else, as you were saying before before the Potty, they can't really afford not to go because they'll just they'll miss out on points and money. Yeah, so will be interesting because I'm sure a lot would be opposing it. But the thing is, I know it's America the first month, and America's like probably the worst location in terms of coronavirus at the moment. That's like they've had two million cases or something. But and they don't seem to be slowing down anytime soon. But it is the seventeen of August, so there's two months. Hopefully the rates starts to die down a little bit, especially in the United States. Yeah, I'll be interesting, because what have I said about spectator so far? Just thin right, there's nice. Yeah, I'm pretty like ninety enough central. There's nothing and they can only have a testing the players can only have like one or two plays in their box as well. Yeah, I'd say it will be something like the UFC, where you're limited to like three in your corner. Yeah, and that's that's all you can deal with. The bigger, the bigger players have been complaining about that aspect as well. Yeah, but I think it's yeah, they should got it actually had a cop that. Yeah, well, the rest of the tour like is financially limited. That anyway. It's pretty weird though, because like the first like four countries they're going to will like genuine covid hot spots, like they're going to the United States, then Spain, then Italy and then, apart from France, then after that they go to China. So, like, I know it's just the way the tennis scheduled rolls, but like, yeah, it's pretty bizarre the countries they've chosen to go. Like they could have, I don't know, picked it Australia. Well, we've had our summer, but, you know, could have picked somewhere where maybe there was less risk or whatever. I should just replay the Australian opens it. And so I'm going in New Zealand. Yes, yeah, know, so that's all pretty exciting really, although I was saying it's a long way away it's it's less than two months. It's like buddy tolly for it. It's less than sixty days, I think. So that's pretty exciting. Yeah, as we said, no fans, but I'm sure I'll go ahead and I'm not sure if all the players will be happy with it, but as we were staying before, I think they're just going to have to copy it. So excited times. It's going to be a jam packed couple months for the tennis but yeah, looking forward to that. Now we roll on. So recently the Premier League and Lolliger have returned. Have you caught any of it? Mate, I have not watched any of it, but I've seen the results of the Premier League and placed it at our few few kicky bets here and there. But yeah, I'm king for the Premier League many days, saying tonight Liverpool Nice. Yeah, at the time of recording, there's only been two matches so far, but pretty interesting...

...stuff happened in both. We had the Sheffield Villa the goal line technology glitch where the goalkeeper blocked the cameras from like the goal line technology working basically, even though it was clearly like thirty centimeters over the line of them. We had David Luise just being spend himself. He's, yeah, let's like not to be racist, but like it's just so. It's just a typical Brazilian center back. Like he's got skill, he's got flair, but probably not the most rigid, solid defender that you can trust. But yeah, I guess that's probably a bit stiffed to I got silver and some of the other lads, but Louis is starting to become an absolutely laughing stock in the football world these days. Yeah, it would not surprise me if he ends up in like Saudi Arabia or China next season or goes home to Brazil, because I'm not really sure what arsenal would get from keeping him, and I like I think he is. He would want too much money. Yeah, they're riding a smaller pod to find him get rid of an enough aging now he must be like on the wrong side of thirty, so can't really seem much of a future for him. But yeah, Eric Garcia, he's sankfully, all right, but he was in a horrific clash with Edison. Edison came out to head the ball and Garcia, as you would say in Footy, went back at the flight and got absolutely smacked and got he was like knocked out, got stretched off the field and had to go to hospital and stuff. So but it's pretty scary for young man. But he's fine. All over twitter, like he's photos are up. He's all good, which is a relief. But the man city intensity, I know you didn't watch it, so we can't touch on it too much. For Mancye were actually pretty good. Arsenal didn't really. They looked pretty weak, like it was almost just a matter of time the whole match and then city was going to score. They were just toying with them. But yeah, as they do. Yeah, I don't know this, like we obviously have a huge lead, like twenty two points or something, but I don't know, just watching the city, it is maybe a little bit scared. Can they can they even physically? We haven't clear. Have any how many? How many are points? Do they have to drop? FEW TO CLINCH IT? Well, the leads currently twenty two. I think if they lost yesterday and we beat Everton, I think we would have clinched it, but now it's looking more likely that we're going to win it. So I think we probably I think we play Everton and poace, but it's looking more likely that we win in the match after that. But yeah, we know it's there. It's obviously dependent on man cities results. But yeah, and then my lega came back. I only call one game so far. A lot of it because the PLAM and the stuff they're playing during the week to catch up the Games. A lot of it's at like because they're it's during the week. So then I can played like twelve mid day. They're going to play night, so watch like at three am, five am for us, which isn't really watchable. So any seven a MS? I don't think so. No, I think so. But yeah, maybe it's to do without the turnaround. They don't want the players to have like a late match. Other yeah, I don't know. But yeah, I don't think there's been seven am is. Barto Madrid of just been dispatching people and I saw out like co scored five against us so soon in this morning. Felix J'll feelix good to but UM, yeah, I've been caught too much of that. It's pretty dull league actually. This year looks like bustling loan is kind of just going to cruise in front of Reale the whole way. But yeah, and then buying claimbed to the boomers league of the other day. So congratulates then. We were kind of teams a little bit this year with a dream like title run of life, secret, dormant but once again disappointing kind of hate, like it's always a little bit of it left down when the big dog wins. Yeah, especially everyone's sick of buying. It's been a one more time long vent has. Yeah, it's just like, yeah, I'm pretty sure it's the eighth in a row. Think they haven't lost since like two thousand and twelve when dormant won it. But yeah, so that's about it in the football world, or soccer as we say down here. But also the super rugby returned super run. Well, it's got a weird name now, like the super rugby a, a Toro or something, because it's just the New Zealand teams doing a little round robin thing because Australia is not ready to go yet and South Africa's not either. So yeah, it's going to be tough for them. I don't know what they're going to do. I don't know if they have long term plans of getting the League finished, or they're just going to...

...split up into their own countries and just have an Australian champion, New Zealand champion, South African champion. But did you? Did you watch any of Sun Day's match? I'll saw a couple of the results and I watched a little bit of the Blues Blues Hurricanes match between the Barrett brothers was pretty decent match. Blues looked pretty good and they were getting stuck into burden when when the hurricane supports are yeah, I'm really yeah, heised himself. He loved it and then Dan Carter was the water boy, which he was bit humorous to see how olds stand card. Now you must be like thirty six, he must be to me. Yeah, but now as weird saying Burton Barrett, like I don't watch much super rugby, but it's weird seeing Burton Bart in a different uniform. He said like, I don't know, seven or eight years at the hurricanes, but did the blues and they wrong. We shall feel like so is interesting to see that they look in the goods this season. Yeah, I can't remember what the other match was, but I thought they are the highland, isn't chiefs, as point in it. Yeah, one point in it, and it was just it was close to the whole way, like the lead was switching every five minutes. Was a greg here. So the Crusaders must be up this week because unfortunately there's only five teams in New Zealand, so each week one team's got to take the by. But I'm sure the New Zealand is are just happy to have rugby back. Big Crowds as well. Yeah, it would be weird, while saying the masses in the stands. Yeah, it's so long, but it's to say they're again like Twentyzero plus, which is pretty rare for super rugby. I'll say it's to my dad and my brother, like I do not get one. New Zealand is in the super rugby like, which is wish for them, like surely it's not financially beneficial to come to Australia unlike, play these rubbish teams and just get like, well, like, I feel like they would just be better off just throwing everything into a national competition. It used to be a lot closer, though, back in yeas to be a lot closer. Like the news, every things wouldn't even win every year out well, the brumbies were awesome in the two thousands and then the reds. The reds were good as well here and the warriors from like two thousand and eight to two thousand and twelve and then, as you said, yeah, war are tires were good like two thousand and fifteen, but at the moment they're all kind of pretty average. Yeah, like it must be very financially tough to travel to South Africa, travel to Australia and like I can't imagine when they host like the blundies or something that's drawing a huge audience from their own fans. So it's kind of weird. But and it's the same in you like there's a league called like the top fifteen and Scotland. I can't remember all the teams, but there's like five different countries and they just put a few teams into it. And like Scotland there's only like two professional teams, even though like the country loves rugby unions. So rugby just pis are sport, I'll be honest. Yeah, but that's about that. So the super rugby will be on again this weekend. Hopefully we'll catch some of it and RL and AFL. How is the match last night that the footy. Well, obviously, to those who watched the tags were horrible. Looked a little bit off as well. But all snap, it's time time the hawks. They came back after they're embarrassing loss last week and looked the goods. So should be an interesting season because a lot of teams have already shown some inconsistencies. So hard to pick the our the season the top. I was so think, though, people going too early, like yeah, that is true, because I did. I can notice se no tags, like tags of crap, they're gone. It's like it's one that. Yeah, I don't fight. I don't buy into the no dusty, no tags, rubbish. He's won. He's one player out of a squad of twenty two. He's it's not going to make a sixty point difference. One pier and like a team on to rub one matching around never runs. Like all they've lost the plot this year. Geez. Yeah, and yeah, I think they would just go way too early on the first couple rounds, like if you look at the roosters in the NL and now were own three and then round four they just came outs back to team sixty, kneel and now they're like the most informed team in the comp so people just need to take everything with a grain of salt in the first month, I think. Yeah, agreed...

...a great on that. Yeah, so that was the AFL. Easy win. Shared that to screamy. Jack Scim sure late laid in. Hopefully keeps his spot. Friend of the show. He rapped him off halfback, scream screamy did. He's a good player. Like he may only get like twelve foot touches the game, but when he when he gets, he's usually pretty skillful with these touches. He is. He's got a good kick. Yeah, and then the Nur last night, Broncos once again losing on a Thursday night. I think it might be three in a row that they've lost on Thursday night. Getting a bit sicker than being the problem time evening matches every freaking week. Yeah, I don't know. It's just like we know they have a lot of fans, a lot of TV audience, but just give someone else a crack. Jesus Christ, is so boring to watch. I'm about because coming for they went. They won their first two games before lockdown and then, yeah, they've gone on for since. So, Oh, yeah, worrying times there that I feel bad for them that they had like five, four or five injuries and suspensions at one point out of their starting thirteen. So but yeah, I don't know whether what's going on there. There's rumors that Benjie Marsh will not rumors, I think. Some peep pundits and stuff have come out and said they should sign Benjie Marshall from the Tigers, who's not getting a game at the moment for us. But don't really want that to be honest. I think he should. Would you with the tags get something decent in return? There's no trades in Narl are really, but that's a genuine issue in in the NL, like AFL, not so much because you can trade draft picks and stuff, but like I don't know how you do because you can't have a transfer fee because there's a salary cap and stuff. So it doesn't work. But it they're like yeah, you can just produce every like a great play every year and they just get bought, like they just go to another club and you legit get nothing for producing that player. So it's pretty horring. Yeah, and the Tigers are like a really good producer of young players like this year we've probably going to have like three of the top five players in the competition. So, but is there, I'm is there a draft or anything? Not. Now you just they assign you like your seven type. They're like Adam academies and things like. Yeah, there's like the eighteen teams and stuff like. Yeah, most clubs have one of those or like a feeder, like we have a school and Gold Coast that we have like a connection to. All right, and then, yeah, we get like first grabs it players out of there or we just have a good connection with them. But yeah, not to do it weird, but I don't know how they would do it. But there's just got to be some kind of reward for producing players, because it's very doug yeah, exactly. Yeah, because like obviously, like Teddy. We produced Teddy and he's just gone for nothing and then Mitchell Moses gone for nothing. But well, I guess, I guess it's on you to try and keep them. But yeah, I drive and drival loyalty into him. Yeah, final thing before we probably get into the main topic of the episode. AFEL relegation. Hawks President, Jeff Kennet. He's still the hawks president. I'm pretty sure. But Jeff Kennet here came out and said this week. He's very vocal man, Jeff Kennet he came out and said this week that they should be afel relegation. And by this I don't think he means the AFL is the first division and then you bring in Vfl teams into the second division. I think he was more insinuating something like the English County Cricket System where YOU SPLIT The league into two and you have like a div one with maybe ten teams, a dive too, with eight teams, and then maybe you bring in a couple teams, I don't know where from me. Maybe have a Tazi team come in, a northern territory team. I don't know what other expansion teams would be interested in it. Well, Curson, personally I think that is the worst idea I've heard all Yax like that. Well, just about what cut? What what is wrong with? What is wrong with the AFL? And, like you, the thing is the top apart from like gold coasts, and they're just smashed out west coast anyway, like most of the teams in the competition. I like around them, mark eating for the eight. So I don't know, I don't I just don't agree with it at all. Yeah, and it's there's a salary cap. So...

...and that the salary cap in the draft is legit made for teams just to go up and down all the time. So I don't know. And then it relegation, and that means all the best players in the draft would be going into DIV to. I mean, I don't Y. Yeah, it doesn't make sense to me. Like I think the balts residents and it's a bit of basic. He's been smoking something like you have to admit the DIV one masters be cool because they're world really right. Yeah, fibill for like top like finals matches, basically, but then dive to like yeah, I'm sure the club supporters would be still be loyal, but like half the fans would stop going for the team. Like yeah, if you're a car and casual and you're Intiv to, like there's no way you're getting around it. You're going out to games, watching them just play other bad teams. Like there's just not much in it. I think I like the team. It's dive too would, I'm sure, would drop. Yes, they opposed to what they are now. So, yeah, I don't know what the whole idea of that is. People might start like being fans of two teams, one dive one team and one dove to teams. So I don't don't write the idea of that. Ever, there's just more issues, like, I know this is very minute, but they have this issue in county cricket, like how well do you judge a dive to performance? Like can a dive to play and make the all Australian team? Like there's just steps of stuff like that where it's yeah, it's tough and then, if anything, you actually making the problem worse because no give to player is going to want to stay to dive to club. They would always try and get a trade or something to a div one club. So if anything you're actually going to create a separation between a bunch of eight bad teams and ten good teams. But currently, with the current system, apart from Gold Coast and maybe Carlton, but they look to be on the up in the near future. There's not really been any team stuck down the bottom for for too long, Melbourne as well, but once again, you know, they looked to be improved. Yep, see, yeah, I'm not sure about that idea. But they've talked about in the Australian soccer for a long time and the difference there is that the a leagues not really like the AFL is a successful business. Everyone gets around it, where the a league not so much. So yeah, I would see like I would understand the purpose of doing that in a league. But yeah, I don't know why. I like if it's not broken, like not really any need to do such a trip dramatic change to the way the league runs. So and because there's no obviously no draft in the I league. Yeah, so that makes it more feasible. Yeah, and yeah, I don't know. There's just it just wouldn't work and like it's just that it's not even likely really, it's just one person's idea that's just been shouted out. Really, because I fell to the care is, like it's a pretty traditional sport, like there's not really many changes year to year. We're like not saying Anas better than I fell anything, but they n Iros pretty like progressive and as we saw with how like reckless law wasn't didn't turn out to be reckless. But and I we're pretty like loose and how fast they came back and like NRL's always changing heaps of rules and stuff, where afl they're kind of happy with the game as it is right now. And Yeah, like fair enough to very successful business, as we said before. So I don't see it ever even being mentioned like in the board maroons and stuff like that. So, Jeff Cannet, hop on your whole hops hot off somewhere, brother. All right, so the name discussion of today we're going to be talking about NFL contracts. This is a pet pave of mind. Basically, this this topic a rises every year at about at this time of year. NFL players they signed these four year rookie contracts. So I don't know the INS and outs of the NFL contract system. The American contracts they're quite confusing because you can be on like twenty million. You could get paid twenty million but only ten million goes the salary cap. Or you can be paid thirty million first year and then the fifty you get twentyzero. It's a very confusing. But to the core rookie contracts are about four years with like a fifth year option. Yea. What often happens is you get a superstar in their third or fourth year playing on a rookie contract and in...

...a position like a running back or even a wide receiver where your prime is pretty young, you're often in your prime on rookie price, on a rookie wage. So, like you've got Philip Lindsay, who's probably arguably in the prime of his career. I think it's his third year, my bes fourth. He is only on seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year. Meanwhile you've got David Johnson, WHO's way worse than Philip Lindsay. He's like thirty one or something. He's just casually earning like eleven million dollars or something that. So it's outrageous. There's got to be a change because although each year the league sort itself out, the players eventually come back. They agreed it to their club, but as a fan I'm sick at this every single year. Like you know, the case of Dal and cook this year. They Yep, yeah, one of the League's top running backs. He looks like he's pretty pretty confident on his his hold out. He doesn't want to come back till he gets a deal sorted it happened last year. Is Zeke. He, I think, missed the first game maybe, or he might have got it signed just a couple days before. That's got. You got to find yet from Gordon Miss Three or four weeks, I think, through holdout. And Yeah, it's done and become a big deal. What do you what do you think about it? Well, I think at the moment, with our plays like Dalvin Cook's, franchises are starting to place a bit less value on the running back position and valuing the the offensive line more. So I think they're getting less and less willing to pay running backs the big bucks. But yeah, as well as that, there's I think it's outrageous that players can just not play like that. It just shows those absolutely no loyalty to your to your franchise, that they're all they're all just doing it for money. Yeah, but yeah, after Dalvin Cook especially, he he does deserve a much bigger contract than what he's on. Yet at the moment, be honest, I I take the players side on this. Like, as you were saying, it's pretty dog what they do. They basically hold the franchise by the balls and they're basically like, well, if you don't pay me, you don't have a running back this year. Yeah, pretty dog but I think the last dance. I don't think you've seen it, have you not? Haven't yet. The Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen. He signed, I don't know, an eight year deal or something, on a rookie contract or very low paying contract. YEA, and by seventh eight season he was a top ten NBA player and he was like the hundred and twenty five highest paid player. So and he had like seven siblings to parents. They were from like the streets. I didn't have much money at all. So he he held out and then he eventually left because they wouldn't resign his contract or something like that. Is it was kind of confusing, but I don't know. From that that just kind of put into his perspective. It is pretty unfair on these players, like I know we were saying they have no loyalty, but then you can also say the franchise doesn't have loyalty if they're not willing to fairly pay them. Yep, because even Alvin Kamara, he's on nine hundred and fifty thousand dollars this year. He's easily a top five. Well, arguably, yeah, he's probably a top five running back basically. So he does not deserve to be on that. And although it's likely that someone that good is eventually going to get extended resigning or they're going to go somewhere who pays them well like that off chance is just frightening for a player that they do their acl or just lose it this year and then no one wants to pay them the big bucks and then it turns out they've just played three years at a high level of NFL but they haven't earned a sustainable lip wage from it. So it's definitely a tough issue, I think. Obviously they're not going to look at Australia to sort this out because they don't even know Australia exists in the United States. But they've got to do something like the AFL like I've never seen a whold our NFL ever. Yeah, and I do think it's less likely to happen in in a game with more players, because the NBA there's only five players on the court, so one or two players can have a really dominant impact. And then the NFL, like a quarterback, running back, wide receiver, they can buy them saying I'm not going to play. They can like change the game, where if I don't know from Port audelaide. If Brady but goes, I'm not playing. Yeah, it's like you're right, sweet, he'll be on his right, he'll be on his rights cree agency. So it is hard to compare. But the like the rookie contracts are just way too long. Like you...

...shouldn't be able to sign a for contractor shouldn't be a thing. Like you should be able to sign two years in Matt X, I reckon. I'm pretty sure the AFL it's two years and then you could resign whenever you want. Yeah, so like, I don't know exactly, but I think been king. I think he resigned like three months into is the first season. But yeah, they've got a sort out something because especially the running back, the running backs of the most affected quarterbacks not so much because they probably to a they're forty yet well good ones. So they they're like second, third and fourth contracts are ridiculous, where they're earning twenty million plus a year. But even like garden, the Minshew, he might not be a start ever again after this season and he's rolling into this year is a seven hundred thousand dollar player. So they're definitely better sort this out because especially as a fantasy coach, but fan and human like. It's starting to Piss me off because this happens every single season and it's just like we're going nowhere, like nothing, no solutions being thought of, no one's thinking long term. Everyone's just going a case by case. Should we pay him? Should be not? So yeah, I definitely think something has to take place. The only thing is, without being main like then I fell, they're pretty like noxious. Their big business. They don't really care if a players like filling ripped off or whatever. Yeah, so it's going to be tough to like convince them to do something. But that and it's happening in a lot of sports, like, I know the UFC. I know you don't know much about the UFC, but the UFC you sign a deal and instead of years, it's fights. So you can sign a five, five fight deal for five hundred thousand fight and then your heads just got offend holding and often holding in some smirks at your hands, dark your cameras. Anyway, that's absolute rubbish, potty. Pretty content right there for the listeners. Yeah, so it's like five fights, you get five hundred k fight and then after your fifth, fifth fight, you can re negotiate. But what's been happened, happening a lot recently, is the first two fights of a contract they'll do really well, they'll like saw in the rankings, they will become global stars and then they try and renegotiate. They're like, I'm not fighting for five hundred thousand, I want two million. And then the UFC this goes. Well, your contract says you have to have three more fights at five hundred thousand, and then they're like, well, I'm not doing that and I want more, and they kind of just do it case by case as well. So similar to the NFL. So it's seems to be an issue in I don't know if it happens in the NBA from honest, but seems to be an issue in the NFL. Fell I doubt it happen as much in the NBA because, similar to like quarterbacks, they played pretty long careers and stuff like that. But yeah, definitely needs to be addressed. It doesn't affect the players who were taken early. I know Kyler Murray. He was like paid heaps last year, I'm pretty sure, and because he was the number one pick. But people who are taken late later and turn out to be guns. They are. Well, like, I know it sounds ridiculous complaining about seven hundred thousand dollars a year, but when you consider like the market rate for what your job is is like ten million, fifteen million, it's pretty wrong. I think. How do you how do you recommend can fix it? Well before that. It's another thing that's stiff on the players in the NFL is that it's a lot of it is luck, because with Zay, it was like the only good running back on the cowboys list, so obviously that were going to give him a contract. But now cook they've got to like pretty solid back up running backs behind him, and he's already had an injury history. Yeah, so he's got absolutely no leverage with the Vikings. Yeah, and and also the injury past, like the injury pass, just makes it worse because both parties are like more stubborn because they're like yeah, why we go out and renegotiate when you could do acl this year and never be able to play again? And then he is probably arguing the exact same thing, saying like well, I don't want to walk away from the NFL career having only earned two million dollars. Yeah, in case I get injured. So the injury thing doesn't help. And Yeah, as you said, it definitely depends on your situation. But yeah, pretty much all the Situa it's a pretty dog. Yeah, and the broncos signing Melvin Gordon is so...

...dog to Philip Lindsay. Yeah, I honestly you can. Lindsay's a better pure running back than Melbourne. But now, now he would just not get on the park at all just because they're painting. Yeah, Gordon like eight mill yeah, but yeah, and right. Another thing is, if you see with Levm Bell, it also, like ruins a lot of players career because he sat out. He held out in the twenty, seventeen or eighteen season with the steelers. They weren't willing to renegotiate his contract or made his terms or whatever. I don't know the specifics. So he just didn't rock up and then he went to the only place, or I don't know if he's the only place willing to sign it, but the place willing to give him the most money or whatever he wanted. And he's gone to the jets and he looks like he's completely lost his ability. Yeah, and now one of like the League's best running backs in the last like five years. It's just like rotting at a bad team. So yeah, but that's definitely that kind of shows that the the offensive line is probably more important. Yeah, and having an elite running back. Yeah, it's true. Even elite running backs can, and were sake one, he has games where he gets like no yards because he's just getting nothing from his own line. Yeah, and it's definitely I think it would be an issue in other positions, but I'll be honest, I haven't heard much about it in other positions. But yeah, as you said, the running back is the main thing because the players don't usually have much of the leverage because, yeah, when the time comes, yeah, the club, as you're saying, for like Cook, they might just go. I'm pretty happy with Madison, if I'm honest, and like he looks to his assistant coaches and they're like yeah, sorry, brother, being the one of the best running backs in the League for one and a half years and you viewer paid a rookie contractor and you can just caught. But yeah, it's very stiff. Yeah, so, like it's a tough one to fix because it's like a systemic issue. Like they genuinely have to change the contract structure of the NFL. But I honestly think if you just made it a rule the rookies can't sign more than for your contracts, like, I don't see it was losing. I see WHO's losing out there, because that way, yeah, I just don't get it, because the four year contract was probably actually brought in to benefit the player, like so they were more secure, had more guaranteed money, because they don't get paid in college. So, like they sacrifice a lot and at that point in time they haven't earned a single sent so, like they need to be secured for years salary. But then the two years, by changing it to to the player will benefit because then they'll be able to renegotiate like in their prime and they'll have more leverage. But then if you look at it from another angle, I'm sure see, as I was saying, I don't know too much about this contract situation. I'd know mainly only know the high profile cases and the INS and outs of those ones. But I'm sure the four year rookie contract benefits a lot of players who don't get as much game time and might not get resigned by an NFL team. Yeah, because, as I was saying, they don't get paid in college. So if they change it to two year contracts, someone got paid five hundred thousand for two years and then they got cut never picked up again. Like that is pretty stiff. Yeah, but but then that's that's life for like, if you're off to make it, you can't just be given money. Yeah, I'm and I'm sure the four years thing, having money guaranteed for four years, will make a lot of players just sit back and yeah and then unders and then they just won't become good. Yeah, or another way. That another solution they could look at. This is always been heavily discussed, but they could make it legal to make money in NCAA and see double a. So because the colleges makes so much money from like attendance, car parking, like there's home it, concessions, like there's so much that, like they would get like a hundred and Tenzero to some games like it, and the players can't earn a scent in order to be eligible to play in the college system. So that would probably be another way, because if they've been paid for four years prior to them coming in the NFL, then you know, like it will be less of an issue that like they need to be paid more, if you know what I mean, after there for years, because they've already had...

...eight years of being paid if they played the full four years of college. But then it's tough because the issue might just rolled down to the college system and then there might be holdouts in like the senior year of college. So yeah, I don't they but, as you were saying, at the end of the day, they just needs to be a bit more common decency from the players and the click. Like the Franchisees, like the fat, the players need to just be like, well, I'll just keep playing for you because I'm under contract and that's what you're paying me to do, even if it's a little bit undersand then I would just have the fat. I'll put the faith in you that you won't dog me. Yeah, like that's that's how it should work. But, like, I understand both sides of the coin and it's a tough one, but I really do think they need to fix the for you thing, because I'm for a lot of players well, like this holdout rubbish is just stupid. Get the see of it. Yeah, I agree, they should. They should would definitely reduce it. Yeah. Well, saying today that Joe Mixer might be holding out as well. Yeah, mixings recently threatened the holdout as well, but I think he's not. He's asking for less than what cooks asking for. So it's yeah, it's a bit he should. Yeah, just get it. I was looking before and mixings on like one and a half mill more on that boarding cook, is it right? Yeah, Cooks Cook was only on like seven hundred or something. Yeah, but then you've got just straight up shit running backs who aren't first string on like five meal. Yeah, like Gabonni Bernard. The bank was running bay back up to mixing and he's earning five times as much as him. Yeah, so there's genuine like issues with the system. So like the whole rookie contracting they do us need to be fixed. Yeah, but another thing is when these running backs get the big contracts, they often call. It seems like they just they sit back a bit, because David Johnky in as soon as he got his. He turned into a Polish Kit. Same with our Melvin Gordon to an extent. We'll see what he does this year. But leve bell looks like he's done that? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so not is it's a tough one. But then you can argue if they just fix the contract thing, they won't happen because they'll get the big bucks in their third year, which is arguably running backs prime. Yeah, because they're getting the big bucks past their prime. Like, yeah, exactly. Only the very best running backs is still good when they're like in their sixth and seventh season. Yeah, like the only one that comes to mind there's like like Adrian Peterson, frank or yeah, Lei Shan McCoy. They're like the only one and they're like all time running backs straight like in the top ten rushing yards. So, yeah, it's like a genuinely cooked system and they definitely need to fix it. And also another difference between Australia and US say that makes it a bit tough. A lot of these players come from nothing. So like, yeah, they need more money to secure their family and stuff, where like half the AFL gets drafted from the APS. So like they're not really that desperate for money and stuff. But yeah, not. It's it's a tough issue. It's always a bit hard to, you know, get like ethics and economics merging. Yeah, because, like you kind of need both sides to almost sacrifice their actual market value a little bit just to be good block. But yeah, it's it's never going to be possible to completely satisfy both sides. Yeah, yeah, but then like there's thirty other thirty one other teams in the League. So like, if you yearly believe you're worth what you think you're worth, and arguably someone should come get you. But I guess I do have like if cook was to not play, he'd be fined his entire yearly salary. Yeah, every week, there's no more. Each training session, yeah, get fine pretty much. Yeah, so's no point doing that and that's why Melvine, that's why Melbourne Gordon came back. Yeah, because I think it's like week seven. If you don't come to training before week seven, you get fined like your whole then your salary or something. But then if it's before then you just get like a training by training. Fine. Yeah, because I'm pretty sure the charges didn't give him his calf. I think they just said you can just leave next year. Yeah, but I don't honestly, I don't know why the Bronc it's did it, to be honest. Yeah, and then the contracts are just soaring every year because it each year the holdout, like last years, he got paid ridiculous amounts. Yeah, then...

...she had duck. Will Get paid amount in ridiculous amounts, and then they just keep getting expertentially more and more. So, like the holdouts are just going to be more common more common. So they definitely need to fix the rookie contract length. It's basically what this all boils down to. Or the COLDE system they get allowed them to make some money from that. Yeah, anyway, we're looking forward to real a Scott tonight. Thin fell up. I am I and the I'm the footy as well, and we begin on the royal a Scott. Yeah, I think I will be getting on well. We say it's a punt, but me and piled with supposive matched betting, which is without looking. Yeah, today's listening starting a six minutes is south versus the warriors, and I've got a hundred sixty dollars on the line to win thirty cents. If there's a draw at the end of the match, this podcast will never return again. I've lost a hundred fifty in attempt to win thirty cents. So wish me luck. Bana, are you? We're right. Enjoy the weekend. They you too, mate. Lots of sport. Tomorrow night, early Premier League kickoff, so I'll expect you to watch that. I know you don't watch much family these days, but I think it's what for the lass style. Something hundred and thirty kickoffs. So well, I'm getting up. I'm getting up tomorrow morning. I'm getting up tomorrow morning to watch United Tottenham. So really good is that? Fifteen? I believe I'm getting up. I'm getting up for the second half because I got where I don't work early tomorrow morning. I makes sense. Yeah, I'll be honest. I'm a die hard live, well, not a die hard, but I love live forol but I do value sleep. Like if they're three, I'm not a right watch that jam. It's watching mini match when I wake up all the replaying full. But the thing is I'm going to have to like, I'll watch when they win, but the thing is if they choke, I'm thoughts like three matches three Am during exam O. hopefully just clinch it first time. I'm sure you will make yeah, but that's all for today's Potty's just been a relaxed chat about what's been going on in sport of late. Next up, I'm just looking at the schedule right now, actually on next Tuesday, so this is going up on Saturday. Next Tuesday we've got my older brother lock coming on. What if go on other lot coming on for an and l month review. To been a month since the return. So we'll just have a little chat about that. Then Thursday's episode, me, Peach and Ratt will be discussing our favorite sporting moments that we've played in. So lots to look forward to. Pretty exciting month ahead for the PODCAST game. Once I get through exams, looking to really start getting creative. Just pumping out heaps. Going to be dough on social media and that they're very easy. But yeah, by the way, I'm very impressed with my listeners. How many people remember Beach Cricket? It's up a like eighty percent, mate, I didn't realize this is a popular thing. Anyway. One of the numbers, though, for to one. Now it's like like thirteen, two, three. That's good. That's all. Yeah, anyway. So if there is an if we've made it clear, we're going to make it clear. Okay, if we've made it clear on the social media's that this is up on Youtube. Go give it a watch. Why not? Give it us? Subscribe, give it a like, give it a share, give it a comment and then, if you're just listening to us on as usual, on your listening platforms, check us are rating, chuck us a review, just around it anyway. Thanks for listening. Enjoy the rest of your weekend or the week that is ahead. Thanks, Peach. Cheers, Matt.

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