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Episode 75 · 1 year ago

2020 French Open Review - Episode 75

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Hamish is joined by Campbell and Brownie to discuss the last 2 weeks of action at Roland Garros. The boys pinpoint the winners and losers and review how their predictions turned out.

I'd cheese settle. Welcome back to the on the ball podcast. This is episode seventy five of the show. Almost forgot there. Yeah, actually it's a bit of a milestone. I realized that ten minutes ago. You should yeah, I guess I don't raise the baton cricket or something for that, but there should be some sort of celebration four century. But yeah, I'm proud of it. Thanks for joining me today. The lads, it's a bit of a later one, okay, but I appreciate that you've put in the effort and show the dedication to the show. But I'm sure you've been able to work out from the title and the description and the people who I'm joined with today. But today we're doing a tennis episode. The French Open finished yesterday for us all, this morning. Basically we're doing this Monday night, twelve October for those playing at home, French Open Review. So it's been a pretty fun two weeks of tennis and when I introduce you, guys, I will start us off like we did with the US Open Review. I'll start us off with much of the tournament in one in the men's one of the women's or just one all up. If that's what you got, can welcome back. What are your matches of the tournament? So I'll start with start with men's. So I think one of my clear matches at the tournament would have to be at Schwartzman versus team. I think they versed each other in the quarter final and it was a five set up with three time breaks. So it was spicy and I don't know, I think they'll both well. Obviously team he's been he's a grandson winner this year, so obviously he's going to be playing at his best tennis he's probably played in his career and then shorts when he's like more of like a rising getting into a stronger form. So it was it was going to be interesting when they never lit and Nevertabiley had to verse each other and it was a very interesting match. I'll obviously I couldn't watch all of it because I'd be staying up to like four am in the morning, but I thought it was really good match. They'll both playing incredible tennis. The rallies were like very long and yeah, I thought it was they were just playing really well. Obviously Schwartzmann was just playing a little better. I predicted Schutzman to go further than team. Sorry, I just tap myself in the back for that one. So that's my men. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna review our I went back and listen to our predictions that we made. I know, Brownie, you still wrote yours down, so you had access to them, so we'll go through them in a bit. Some interesting calls we made. But yeah, that was probably my top one. But I didn't see all of it. I watched it while I was going to sleep, so I watched like the whole second set in the end of the first. It was really high quality tennis. Schwartzman was kind of it was kind of dominating most of the points and then team would just produce like a freak shot to end the rallies every now and then. But he was hanging in there just through sheer brilliant but I think Schwartzman deservedly took the win there because, yeah, in most of the points he was the one steering the rally. So but yet kind of a shame that wasn't earlier in the session for us to watch, because I would have been definitely match of the tournament. I think if we got to watch all five sets. But yeah, Brownie, what what about you? Well, for me, the match of the tournament. I had that one as well up there, the one I went with with the team match from the round before actually teaming into Gaston. That matches really interested me. I didn't watch me the matches in the second week. Had A bit of a busy week. But what really interested me's the tactics that Gaston went with. He knew the team was exhausted. Played, like you know, seven best of five step matches just the two weeks prior before coming to the French Open and he hit, I thought, the steps somewhere. He hit over fifty drop shots in the match. So team getting, teamers bridge the net team obviously got was managed to get over the first two sets and Gustin just kept going and play these tactics well. Played a really smart match, considering he's only what nineteen or twenty or something, and managed to bring it back to a best of five and then team age to get over in the fifth set. I just thought he really showed like a maturity above his age and really played a really smart game against someone who was tired and and I just thought it was good form from him. And also very good form from team to like five...

...back. Managed to just out muscle him in the end get the job done. Bit Very thrilling five sets there as well, especially from a hometown favorite who is like up and rising. This was really his first tournament for him to be kind of known on the world stage. So that's a great one. That was up there for me for sure. Yeah, that was definitely up there. I think Schwartzman also cracked the fifty in dropshots against team the following match, so it was the tournament of the drop shot really. I know the commentators were going on about that in the last week our like they've never seen the drop shot have such impact. But yeah, it was interesting to see. My the other I've got to well, you mentioned Gaston but for me it was his other match when he beat Waverinka. This we watched I think fourth four out of the five sets of this one, but it was just it was pretty dramatic, like the crowd was getting into it, obviously because a Gaston Stan was kind of having a bit of a Hissy fit about the rain and stuff. He wasn't getting on with the umpire very well. I think it's a few points he was claiming he was slipping and then the umpire would come and check and would just say no, we're still playing. So he was losing his cool there and yeah, it was just really intense because I think the crowd noticed that he was getting annoyed. So when Gaston would win a point they would get more amped up to annoy him even more, and it was kind of the tennis was high quality as well, but just the almost the drama of it was it was interesting to see. And then Chapavlov and Kabayos Bainer that this probably my number one to be honest, because we watched all of it because it was early on in the session. But it would it looked like no one wanted to win the match. Really whenever they someone got the upper hand, they kind of stopped playing good tennis and the other person took over the whole match. That I just thought Cha Pavelov was going to overpower him. He won the second set in the tie break, I think in them from that point on I thought that was kind of the breaking point and he was just going to clean up in the third and fourth. But KABAYAS Bein a fought back and then Shapablo fought back and it was just topsy turvy the whole whole way through the five sets and then it ended in dramatic fashion. Chapavlov I can't remember for was the servile vall and Volli, I think it might have been. He came up to the net looking to finish a point early, probably before he'd earn the right to come to the net, and he missed it. He missed a pretty easy volley. He missed it long. So it was just an interesting finish. Went for days, very unpredictable and that's probably one of the shocks of the tournament as well, which will get into in a second. I'm on the women's side. Do you guys have any matches for the women's side as well? Yeah, I have one. Well, who if you got camp? Well, I have the first match of the tournament. I have CONTA contivate verse Garcia. So obviously I was pumped for the tournament and controvert was, of in obviously good form because she's some she's a very highly ranked player and she did well. I think she did well in US and she did well and the clay tournaments before the US, so it was very interesting to see her go up against a former world three. Som Garcia kind of like was playing really well in the first and she kind of like dropped her energy and kind of a, kind of like took hold of it, took hold of like the momentum of the match, and then it obviously ended with Garcia beating count offer it, which was a pretty big surprise for cont of it to go out first round when she was probably people were probably backing her, and to go like quarter finals. So and the way gaste was playings probably like went hot, the best she's probably played in a long time, and it was interesting to see her just whack winners and have some really nice drop shots as well. So I thought that match was pretty good. That was a good one. Garcia produced a few belts actually. Brownie, what was your pick? Well, my one was the other Caroline Garcia match against at least Martins in the third round, where she kind of got chopped up in the first set. I think Claude a way back into the match. Martens is kind of this year as a whole being one of like the inform plays. The top twenty kind of been climb like hasn't any results which are wildly amazing, but just like quite consistent climbing your way up. Could definitely be a top ten player come the next couple of years. And for Garcia to get so chopped up in the first set in her home Grand Slan, which has been out of form since, like her, running like late two thousand and seventeen, where she managed she into the top five, to Chlora way back. It was a nice and to win in match so tight, seven...

...five and the third against really informed players. Kind of a nice rejemption story for her. Thought. That was a thrilling one as well. It's being seven five in the third set. Yeah, yeah, they were both really good to watch as well. Both had them down. The other two. I just wanted to mention Jennifer Brady versus Clara twison. We only got to see the end of this one on the TV, but it was a very tense finished, similar to the chapable of Cabas Bay. A kind of just seemed like no one wanted to take the reins and finish off the match. Both were very tentative at the end and it ended up being one of the shocks of the tournament. Again, Tellson, the young seventeen year old qualifier, overcoming the big powerful seed, Brady, and then the other one, Rani, versus Burton's. This was one I was interested in because I we mean Campbell did Roland garross fantasy, and it was actually actually really fun game, to be honest. I highly recommended. Hopefully some other tennis tournaments copy their system because it's elite. But I had a Rani down because I thought burtons was in what burtons was in really bad form coming into it, so I thought Rani was a good chance. I was keeping an eye on this game the whole way through and yeah, it was really intense. Seven nine and the third burdens was like dying at the end of the match, like she couldn't run, claiming she had cramps and stuff, and then a Rani just like stormed off at the end. And then it came out and like the press, I think she had an interview with Italian TV, and she was saying like Burns was faking all these injuries and yeah, like claimy, she was making it all up for medical timeouts and stuff, and then there was like images floating around of Burton's leaving the court in a wheelchair. So a lot of drama in that one, but ultimately it was would have been a pretty good match to watch. We didn't get to see much of it on TV, similar to the Brady towels someone we only saw the end, but yeah, they would have been a good one. Now moving on to shock of the tournament. CAMP JOINT TO START US off during to say your men's and your women's. Yeah, so the is it the play who shocked me the most during this tournament? Now, like a match, like an upset. UPSET, I thought. First Round, again, the Ozzy pullman's. I thought it was pretty surprising for him to beat Humber. Humber is in pretty good form and obviously pullman's isn't like one of the Greater Australian ten space. You'd probably think of like Kuryos Demon, your Millman Thompson, and like to think that pullman's could be humber in four sets. It was pretty pretty wild and I thought humber was easily going to win this match because I don't think highly of pullman's and it's a bit savage to me say them, but it's true. And it was a Lucky D as well. He lost in qualifying. Yeah, and yeah, I thought it was just like surprising that he beat Humber. One of also humber was French, so I thought like humber would have had that French mentality to win the match, but obviously the ozzy came out the other they came out in front. Yeah, that was that was definitely a good one. I was that was one of my worst predictions actually. Yeah, I said I was big on I'm bear. I thought he was going to make the fourth round at least, because he's in a soft part of the drawer. And Yeah, when I woke up to that new city had lost a pullman's I was bit taken it back and a bit disappointed. But you know, that was big upset. What about the women's Cam? Do you have one there? That was quite a few upsets in the women's most of the top seated girls, everyone actually, yeah, most of the top seated girls got knocked out pretty early. One I have here as in the third rounds Collins beat my Garusa in three sets. So I think we all predicted my Garusa to either get to like the semis of the final or a Haymichif and predicted that she was going to win the whole tourtman. And Are you just picking my bad predictions. Yeah, like I'm this is a man Huh. And obviously you don't think Collins. I think Collins made a good run in like an OZ open a few years ago. She made to like the quarters. I think she did pretty well and I think she got knocked out by like another American, because it was like an American verse in American so I'll yeah, Collins. Obviously she's she's been a good player, but obviously she look she's getting a bit older. So I didn't think she had it in here to be my Garusa, former French Open champion. I thought more Garis are. She knew the way of her racket, she knew the way off the court on French Open. Should back in two thousand and sixteen beating Serena arm but I thought it was very good at Collins and she even made it to the quarterfinals, which I thought concert...

...very good job there. And, Mr Garis, that did not collins smashed it. Like I yeah, should been the last person. I would have picked up major runly thought you would have been just a first round exit. Yeah, and in terms of upsets, it's probably not the biggest differential and ranking, but like, this is probably the most stunned. I was out of any of the results when I woke up and check the scores because, yeah, I was confident Murgurus was going to cruise to late in the late in the tournament, and yet for Collins to dispatch of Earl's quite quite surprised. Brownie. What, well, what shocks do you have? Um, my number one up set of the tournament, which I think is a pretty obvious one, was Schwi on tech against Halip in the fourth round. Halip was like clearly in the best form out of anyone in the tournament, kind of cruising, or not cruising, but like very consistently getting away to the title in Rome. And then first three rounds as well. We're pretty cruzy, I mean. And I watched some of that match into Addison overre and like she was just on fire. She was barely missing a shop, you know. So I know swound checks also in good form, but she didn't play the strongest plays in the first three rounds out of anyone that she could have played. So I thought that, you know, I wouldn't have been surprised went to three sets. Even if she want to take one over three sets, I would have been like okay, like still a massive upset. It would still be a massive shock. But like the fact that it was one and two like just absolutely dispatched her when Simone House not really want to get smacked off the court very often, considering she wasn't. She makes a lot of balls back. You know, she's not one of these people who goes and crashes out of a tournament. So that one really surprise surprised me. I thought how it was like, you know, she was my favorite to win. She was in such good form, very consistent. So I mean, in hindsight it's not that surprising, considering treontech just chopped every single person that she played for the whole time. But yeah, at the time that really shocked me because she wasn't really on my radar until that match at all. Will Not that much? Yeah, yeah, hundred percent. Pretty much every match fiantech played was was an upset. She absolutely killed it. Yeah, so for to not only win that much but to absolutely dispose of her like she did, that's very impressive. I've got quite a few year, but I won't mention the ones we talked about in the previous section because no need. In the men's I've got to just want to mention Daniel Alt my beating Mattea Berett teeny if for those who will, there's not many out there who, but anyone who's been like studying the challenger tools and stuff would have known that out. My was coming in in good form. But still for someone who qualified to beat the number seven seed that that's just unheard of really. So that's automatically one of the biggest upsets just because of that fact. Quarter. Where is his first AAIME, Sebastian as thank soks. Yeah, yeah, that's it doesn't sound right to me, Sebastian quarter, but yeah, I'm pretty sure that is his name. Another qualify. He beat Johnny is now in the first round. I don't think many people would have had that on their radar, but well done to him. And then in the women's there were obviously so many shoes from Fiona Pharaoh beating Eleanor Rabi Kiner Cam's pick to go deep in the tournament. That was another one where I woke up and I was just like, that's just a bizarre result. Would never pick that in a million years. And then she made lover upsetting as a ranker. Yeah, this was another one where I was just a bit confused. Like smide lover, in the past she's been a top thirty player, but she hasn't done much in the last two years. I think she's been injured as well and, as a rank was probably the most informed player on the tour. So well in the tournament. So for her to just lose in the second round. I have to say I did say in because I was getting around Ptinseva, who was in that section, and I said I have a feeling as a rancor might be a little bit fatigued and might have an early round loss. So I'll back myself there. Definitely, definitely wasn't expecting it to be from spide lover. But yet and my final one, potter Oscar beatings fit Alina. Yeah, at that this point of the tournament, nothing really shocked you. But it was FIDDELINA's to lose in the quarterfinals. She was easily the well, not the highest ranked player, but she was easily like the most convincing in the will. Not convincing because she dropped a set to Sarah Zua, but the other seeds were the other seat to cannon and comit. Of Us, I would have backed to Adelina and over them, and everyone else was unseated. So it looked like it was FIDDLINA's Grand Slam to lose. Yet she lost to Potter Oscar who was ranked like a hundred and forty qualifier. So quite a lot of upsets. I could have gone for days there. There's so many shocks, especially in the women's side, pretty much every seed losing before the quarterfinals. So yeah,...

...but next I'm going to we're going to go through our predictions and talk about the good ones in the bad ones. Cam I don't think you had a record of your prediction, so I've got them down here, so I'm happy to chat about them for you. But, Brownie, what was your favorite, or what do you think was your best, and what do you think was your worst? Well, my best prediction, which was a which que. I thought it was a rogue one, I'm going and I was kind of nervous about it, but it can't be paid up in the end, was Lorenzo Snego. I was like it never made a pass a second round of a Grand Slam, and I was like, I just looked at his drawer and I felt like it was kind of his heakind of hadn't come and had an open. Come a peer at space in the drawer and I thought it might have any time to do something in a grand slam and I like, I was what do you want to second round match. I was like, okay, that's a good call. But then he beat Taylor Fritz as well in the third round in straight sets and he was never going to beat Diego Sportsman. I think the fourth round was going to be the maximum he was ever going to go but that's still had a great result for him and I could do seem like there was a bit of an opening, even though it took, looking here, five sets to get past the qualifier Gomez in his first round, but he beat bubbleck and Fritz and straight sets. I thought, yeah, there was a bit of an oat gap in the drawer there and he did well to string some matches together and get through the fourth round. It's a good result for him. And then the other one that the other strange call that I made, the stranger calls that I made with the ones that end up doing better than because of so many upsets, is to him at the toilet cause and I made that I thought were like sure, thing calls. None of them worked out. was I mean Sanai cover. I thought there was an opportunity for her to go deep. She got to the third round. So I was like that's like a new I'll say that's like a neutral, neutral too good plaster. there. It's a past. Yeah, because I looked and I thought you could get through her little section and then but I thought Burton's would have been gone by then. But she just got shopped by Burtons. But third round sold was off for her. And then the other one was that met Ford was going to lose very, very early on, and he did not. That, I mean if, for of course, people who don't really know much about tennis probably would have thought that was a good, interesting call to make, but I guess if you do any kind of research it's not that surprising really. Yeah, Camp I think I think I had the predictions are. Yeah, you want me to see my best. My best male prediction was probably sinner. I guess I'm predicted sinner to go pretty far within the tournament and he actually did surprisingly well. Obviously he came off a good run at Rome. So I was like maybe he might get like third round, maybe like second, but he did very well. He beat Goffin in straight sets. I'm pretty sure he beat I think two other players and then he beats vera of who was a US Open grand finalist, and he beats very of in for set. So I thought that was very, very impressive for him to do. Any Hem, then he had obviously he had na down the quarterfinals and he had probably he fought harder than probably Djokovic did in the final and came out with a better score result than Djokovic did because they went to a tie wreck in the first set, whereas Jakovic got whipped six long. So I thought center did very well. And for women, I had rybe keen. obvishly she didn't. I thought she was going to go further. I add, I think I's Bet Alina. She did. I mean she was. She's a top three stage PROBA, bound to do really well. But yeah, I don't think I had. I think most of my women's predictions went out early. I did predict Os to Panco to beat plus Cabar, and she did beat plus Bar, which I was happy had that one, which was happy she did, because plus for does not have a good Grand Slam record. This year, so I thought she might be able to beat her. Obviously, as well as plus, was played a lot of matches, so she's fatigued. So yeah, there's probably my best predictions. Yeah, you predicted Bouchard, Third Bouchard. She came third round pure and Koba, she came third round. You also got around Shabburr, who came made the fourth round. So they're all sold calls. And Schwartzmann, I know we didn't win the Grand Slam like you predicted, but I can't lie. I laughed at your suggestion that you would even that he would even beat team. So for him to get this to the semis, I think that's definitely a win for you. They're on the yeah, on the flip side of the corn. Yet Rabbit Kean is probably your worst poss phistal. That was a tough one against bear, a teeny, but yeah, and this this is for you, ed me, but our abuse of cannon, that was probably bad,...

...bad prediction. Looking back, did quite well. Like I don't even know, in fantasy. I just kept picking her opponent because I like that this time she's going to lose. This, lose. Yeah, that's just now. She made to the grand final. Then she got whipped. Yeah, but I think everyone would have got whipped by Shawn Tech and then me, Michael's look, I made so many cools looking back, and most of them flopped. I mentioned sinner and Garcia. They both had good tournaments but they were, you know, probably a bit more predictable, you know runs. But my finest moment I was chatting about some qualifiers who could be dangerous and by no means did I expect any of them to make the semi final. But Nadia PODEROSCAR. I mentioned her based off just based of some recent form and low level tournaments, and she amazingly made the semi final. Beats fiddling. Never heard of her before this tournament. So yeah, that's probably the finest moment in my podcasting career, even that's very short. Chechnado also made the third round and got been vice fair of I think that was a decent prediction there. But my worst yeah, probably went too hard on the Murgurus are band wagon. She didn't even get close to winning it. Shapavlov, I think we all were keen on Chao. Yeah, I said he would push novack in five. No vactor get pushed by five in the same michion is ue, but just by someone else, which is an ideal. But yeah, Chapau. Yeah, well, I think we all mentioned him and he did not do too great. Yeah, but UMBAR's probably my other main one. I got around to him and he lost first round. So thanks. I also went hard on live itch, who went down to Kevin Anderson, and I thought he would make the fourth round like, if all quarter finals. I thought he would go big. I also was very ambitious for Petro Martich. I thought she had a very open drawer and looking back and it you did have a very open draw, but she just lost a seat in the third round. I thought she was going to be like quarterfinals. But yeah, by like the fourth day of the tournament, every section of the drawer was open. It was just our react. Yeah, but only. Yeah. This has nothing to do with you guys, but I feel like just reading them out. I did my votes for my for the Grand Slam, as I as I've been doing so for the men's. I gave sinner full votes. Then Gaston out my dull picked up the fourth most. I didn't want to give him the pool because he didn't beat that many good players apart from his last two matches, but hard to criticize. And when he's just dispatching of like the world's best players, like he was and Schwartzmans, it's past jock bitch. They all got to mention. So sinners actually on top of my overall leaderboard, just ahead of Crano bt Crano booster. Crano buoster is picked up both points in both Grand Slams. Him and fooks of Itch the only people to have done that. So that's pretty good effort from him. And then the women's side, obviously Shron tech for full votes. The the closest set she had was six four. Am I correct in saying that? And she be cannon vondrous over Halip and before the tournament probably would have said Halip Bem bondrous over were both in the top five on clay in in the whole tour so for her to have distartched with them so easily. Then the others who are got votes, Potter Roscar, Trevor Sn Collins and SIEGEMUND. Also, Gabrill over got a few votes. The shock against your stream scar. But yeah, the women's as a rank is ahead by quite a long way. And then Guarssie is chilling in second. So it's kind of just lends itself to people were probably better than their ranking. Or now time for winners and losers, Campbell John, a start to stuff. who were the biggest winners? Who impressed you the most this French Open? who were the possible for women's as? Probably there's a lot that impressed me a lie so, but the probably the person that's apart from sway on tech. I would say the person who pressed me the most was natia potter ROSCO. Making it all the way to the semi finals when she was just a qualifier and no one really knew who she was, was very impressive, I thought. And another one I thought was Trevis, and I think she was also a qualifier, I'm pretty sure, and she made it all the way to the same quarterfinals until she met the beast, who absolutely demolished her. But I thought the two qualifiers, treviors and I think Trevis and big burden six hundred and forty six four. Natia beats that. Aling are not sure which other seeds to be but I think she beat some other seats. But they both did very well and they had very hard matches. So I wasn't surprising us. I thought they're going to both these like first round, but it was surprising for both of those people to win and make it up.

Yeah, I'll jump in there. I went similar to what I did last job. I picked a few collectives as well as individuals. Yeah, so one of the collectives I had was just qualifiers, the qualifiers. There were some great performances. I think it was a big advantage to be a qualifier because you had three matches on the surface. Obviously every clay courts different and this year normally there's a long gap after the Australian Open and there's like a clay tournament or two every week. So most players getting a little lot of clay practice going in to the French but yeah, this season there wasn't too much run in, obviously because the US. So I think it was quite an advantage for them to get three matches on the on the courts early, like the the week before the tournament started, and I think that really showed. You had also on the so you had those two, as can mentioned, made the quarters. In the women's side, will potter Uska made the Semis and then on the men's side alt Myer and quarter both made the fourth rounds. So yet unusual to see qualifiers that deep in the tournament, but I think this year definitely lended itself to the qualifiers. And Yeah, very impressive from all four of those guys. Brownie, do you have another winner? The first winner I have is, like like yours, a general theme and it's people born in this century, like people born two thousand or later, I think in the past. I mean in the US Open I said a similar thing, but for people born in like the late nineties, like the next Gen, and like I guess these guys are also classified as next Gen right now because they are young. But I think you could be coming in a new name for it, because if you're classifying dominic team who's like eight years older than sinner and they're like the same generation, can't really coper it. But on the women's side, obviously shrum text board in two thousand and one and she won it. She demolished everyone one the whole thing. I think it's pretty selfexpansion why she's a winner. On the men's side, would you we hadd a sinner who's like leading the charge of the guys of that generation who made the quarter finals and had some good wins. We're already talked about him. And then we have Gaston, who had a really good win against Rinca and made the fourth round. Lost a team. And then we have quarter as well, who made the fourth round as well. For singers, I think she messes thirty round, I think if she. Ah. Yeah, so in general they're do it very well for themselves in the Grand Slams. He's early on to perform like that. Normally they come out the guys and they the young guys and, you know, do some well some random tournaments, climb the way up the rankings and takes them a long time to do any damage at the grand slams. So for them to make for two of them to make the fourth round and one to make the quarter files on the men's side was very surprising and very impressive. So I've more hope for that generation than I do for the next Gen, who all aren't really I mean the lay the the later side of the next Genera, but not like the twenty five to thirty year olds who were still classified as next Gen for some reason. Yeah, so I was impressed by them. I think they're massive winners because none of them were really on the map either. They're at all all other than sin know, but the other two are pretty much out of the top of a hundred. So yeah, yeah, camp do you have any other any other winners or people who impressed you most? Well route, I have sweet on tech. Obviously she won the Grand Slam, but also I was quite impressed that she got to the semi finals of the women's doubles as well the same time she was playing women singles. So I thought she kind of it was kind of her tournament. Really, yeah, a hundred percent. She killed it. But yeah, I feel like we didn't even discussed the finals. But yet see on tech absolute legend. I'm kind of sad I jumped on the bus in the U for the US Open on her and I didn't get around her for this one, which hurts because I would have been a nice little prediction. But yeah, when she was versing vondrous over in the first round, I thought that could be an interesting match. But she'll probably lose their but yeah, sinner and Shrin Tech were kind of been the been hovering around the fifty two seventy mark in the rankings and we've been waiting for a big statement. But tournament from them, but probably didn't expect it in a big tournament like this. Probably would have expected in like a five hundred or a masters or premier five or whatever the women's tournaments are called. But yeah, that they were really impressive. And then the dolls performance in the final. Yeah, like but like early on I was honestly the best tennis I think I've ever seen anyone play. He was smacking for hands like a hundred and sixty five kilometers an hour. It was like it's just ridiculous. He was making Jock itch just basically try and smack winners because jock fitch new as soon as he had get into a rally with him, the doll would just work him with the angles of his top...

...spin and he'd have no hope. So if it wasn't for that third set, the quote the commentators were saying it's probably the greatest individual performance on clay ever, but that third set got a little bit closer so that you probably can't give in that title just yet. But yeah, absolutely insane. But Brownie, do I know he's not French, but do you think if he maybe wins like one more zoning, do you think that arena should be hanging that fail the doll arena like it's it's his stadium. It's a joke. He plays at every single match, and his record the French Aman like it's I think it's a hundred wins or a hundred one wins and two losses. It's Chin lost twice. It's the most ridiculous thing of the tever. It's just unheard of, like kind of an imagine that ever happening. You couldn't ever predict such a thing. It's ridiculous. I also thought for men's quarter was actually pretty surprising and he was pretty impressive. Obviously he got wiped Byndal, but I thought that he was pretty impressive to make it to round for yeah, I didn't know much about him. I've seen the name before. I know you as a famous dad and everything. They talked about that nonstop, but that's not why I know him. I've just seen his name around drawers and stuff, but to know too much about him and very impressive performance. must have skyrocketed into the top hundred short some of the rankings. My other winner another collective. I've Gone Italian tennis, so yes, that there big names. Didn't really do that well. I think SEPPI lost first round, Beretteeny lost like third round or something, but cinemade the quarterfinals, Chechenado from qualifying made the third round, Brownies Man Senego made the fourth round and then on the women's side, the qualifier, Trevor Sand made the quarterfinals. So absolutely dominant performance from them. Usually a pretty well the play courting nation. But what you were you going to say? Okay, that's going to say poor Masseti. Yeah, exactly. That's another person. Like if I honestly reckon, if he would made was in this tournament, he would have gone on a run as well. He was in great form. So yeah, the future of Italian tennis is bright because all all five of those people we just mentioned all under the age of like twenty six. They've been a bit lacking in the last five years of tennis or so until, like Barrett teeny and folk need he hit form about two years ago, because there was a bit of a void. They're from. Like Seppi was never really that good, but he was always like ranked around thirty forty, and then you had people like Vinci, Rani Pinetta women's side. But then since they've gone, there's not really been anyone in there. So it's nice to see some Italian representation again because they're obviously one of the biggest tennis nation's gone around. So I think they were one of the new winners as well. Miss said he's actually they said he's actually playing right now and he just want to set against quavers. Yeah, the torner's just go straight on. Yeah, I don't know. MESSEIDI is definitely one torch out for. I think we might be talking about him in the two thousand and twenty one French Open Review after he's lifted the trainer Jack's after he's well, surprise, surprise us all. My final winner, though, is Sophia Cannon, as I mentioned in our predictions, me and Campbell, we were laughing about her a lot. We have a WTA fantasy league, me and Campbell. And is it your team? Was the league or can in this trash? I don't know. I think. I think I've called Kennon's trash. Yeah, I think your count. It's called Kennada's trash. But yeah, she definitely shocked us. She Lost Love and love to as a anchor in the warm up to this tournament, but she came out she was very scrappy early on, pretty much went to three sets against everyone, but she ultimately scrapped away to the final and you can't really take that away from her. So well done to Kennon. To Grand Slam finals out of three and that's pretty rare and women's tenders with the unpredictability of it. So I think she's earned a spot in the top ten. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had her and my last winner, which my last winner, which Ken and came under as well, was Kenan and Chits to pass, and I think both of them kind of the same thing in this tournament of like a firm themselves in their current positions, because both of them, I mean I wish shitty on city pass a lot before the tournament and he very much, you know, surprised me being very consistent and making all the way to the semi finals. I think cannon in the same boat going all the way to the final. So in doing so, you know, she just passed, was left behind a little bit of the US Open that we what we talked about after that tournament and did well to come back now and respond. And then Kennon, in the same boat. It Gid came out of nowhere in one Australian Open and no one really trust her as a top five player, but she's kind of established that now. So I think that's a win for both suchpass and Kennon too, like...

...a fair of themselves, they could be trusted as consistent and reliable top ten players for, you know, big future, because they're both only still like twenty two. So yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's it for the winners. A lot of positivity. Now time for some negativity. I can't lie, it's a bit hard to find the loser. Even though there was a lot of upsets, there weren't too many glaring losers from this tournament. For me, I'll start us off with jock bitch. Yeah, like I know it's a cheap blow, but I think after the last like three months he's had, it would have been nice to kind of change change the wave of what's been happening to him in the last few months by beating Raphae at Roland Garross. But ultimately he got absolutely demolished, lost to set six love, which would be pretty humiliating for someone as good as him. And ultimately the main focus for those guys right now is they probably wouldn't admit it, but it's the Grand Slam totals and Jock Vich go like he falls one. Well, he's lost another opportunity to catch up to them, if you know what I mean. And the dolls tied feder and our. So yeah, I just think drop that. I don't think there was too many standout losers, but for me Djokovic was definitely some one who came out of this tournament not so great, because I think, yeah, this could have been a chance for him to beat rough or roll garross and he didn't take it. camp. Who Do you who disappointed you? Who Do you think came out of this a loser? I have a few for women. Curbar Curba, she lost in the first round. HAPPENED TO CARE? What is happening to Kurba? She's dead. I forgot she was. Yeah, she lost a Juven like six three hundred and sixty in the first round or something. I don't know. Yeah, she isn't. She won to Grand Sam. She's needs to go away, like and she lost first round. Or No, not first round, but she like lost in the must bes in the US. She must be not squatting enough in a forehand. Yeah, I don't know. Honestly, like maybe she's just going to turn into one of those battlers down at rank three hundred who's won, who's won Grand Slams? I hope not, but because I love Kurber. But yeah, I don't know what's going on there. That was bizarre. Camp Brady lost first round. She did pretty it. She did very well, and Um US Open, so I thought just going to do well. Keith lost first round. She's also thought she was going to do well. She obviously didn't. CAUSH. She lost. contivate lost first round as a ranker, lost second round. Plus Cabar again lost second round. Like you are your earlier ranks, your rank. You can't really get one out. If you say one, you have to say all of them because they're all the same. But I don't know. She shed that. She's definitely dropped rank. I think she's now maybe seven. Seven, I think she's seventh. Are the women's rankings? I think she said seventh now. So she's definitely choosed to be like second. So she's definitely very trash. Now the robot has finally been defeated and I think, yeah, she lost second round in you as she lost second round in French. She's needs to get over her second rounds. Yeah, before you go, Brownie, I'll just touch on your Madison keys point. I think that's I think she's a big loser. She's had a really bad year. She hasn't made it past the third round of any of the Grand Slams. Is She and I think she's played one masters and she lost in the second round. So keys, she's kind of under performance. She's always like. This is very harsh, but I think this kind of comes with being an American female tennis player. But she's been pretty underwhelming her whole career. Almost I think everyone's been waiting for that breakout and she's she had that got there. She had that one breakout when celone won. She made it to the grand final of the US Open. Yeah, yeah, but I think she made two semis in one year. But yet since then. But I think I was that was really her only chance to win a Grand Slam. She just needs to give up. Got Call it quits early. But yeah, I think. Yeah, I don't know what's happening with key. She's kind of just stagnated in her career. But to be honest, I kind of seems to be a common thing in the women that when they're young they bolt up the rankings and then they just get stuck and they're almost not as good as their ranking suggest they are. But Yep, disappointing from key. Still waiting for that break out and it doesn't Sund and becoming anytime soon. For men's I would say Nishikori. I guess he's not really he's not really that good anymore. I mean like he used to. He made a grand final once in his life and he used to be like like top twenty, maybe top ten I think, and he was like, I'm a fort...

...one point. He lost to Travaglia, I think, Travaglia, and I'm like Nishikori coming come on. Yeah, that fair enough. Disappointing from Nishikori, is that you're only man you've got? Yeah, probably, yeah, and she probably a bubble of was by. Yeah, yeah, that's disappointing. Right. Shop of you got chap off A. I was really struggling to find this loses because I mean lots of people were losers, but like all of their losers are like not that shocking. So it's like hard to like very was a loser because you like it's, you know, is in really good form. It's like, well, it kind of is justified. Now there was a case in a lot of them were like probably should have done better, but it's except it's not like embarrassing. I said Djokovic because, like Jock I said, my main one's a Jockovich and Hollette. I mean, when you're number one in the world, you're allowed to lose matches, but you shouldn't be getting absolutely chopped by anyone. So, I mean Jackovich has been unlucky. Obviously Raugh is like in pretty fucked form, especially the French Open. But and in hindsight, how its when isn't that embarrassing? Because obviously sw on tech just dropped everyone, but also your number one in the world, on your favorite surface, you're the favorite win the tournament. You just won the tournament before. Like you probably shouldn't be losing one and two to anyone. So I feel like that's a bit of a loss for her, and that was had as a ANCA. We already covered that. Yeah, I mean a lot of people who are losers, but like not that. It's there's no one act that comes out of this tournament terribly embarrassed. So compared to the US Open. I think there's more more embarrassment that came out of that than this tournament. There's just so many upsets that you can't really pick on one person because it was all a bit all, bit crazy. Yeah, another winner. I just thought of Vondras over because she doesn't drop her writing points. If this was a normal years you would have plummeted it to like fifty. She lost all those points. But yeah, but if two more loses, both the body arms. They can't the French Open. I said, if the body army was at the French Open, said smash. I've got two more loses, both fairly cheap. I don't think, as you guys have mentioned that I don't think there was too many big losers. But Serena Williams, just another Grand Slam goes by without her getting closer to the record. She did pull out and round two, but her drawer really opened up. It was it was a bit of a death drawl when we saw it first, but as a ranker losing early, but tens of a losing early, all of a sudden it really opened up for her and she would have basically, I think, if she was didn't pull out. I think she would have pretty much waltz through to a quarter file against it Elina, but she put out from injury. So, yeah, another one goes begging for her. And then mevedev. Yeah, I know, Brownie, you kind of predicted it, and he sucks on clay, but rially it's just not good enough. Is No copy. That like obviously is terrible and clay, like we've established this. But also you're a number five five in the world, like you can't be losing every single match play on the surface when you're the win the top five players in the world. I feel like that's very embarrassing, but anyway, you got to be great on allbarrassing. Yeah, exactly. If he yeah, it's just disappointing. And if, like demon or, he sucks on clay, but it's kind of excusable because he's like not top twenty, but someone top ten, top five, like maybe there. Yeah, it's kind of shows you'll probably never be, even though he's still young, up and coming, he'll never be number one in the world. If you can't win a match on clay, you can't be world number one. No, Ay, more teamless smashing. Yeah, exactly, and going back to our conversation from our US Open chat about like kind of the dynamics of that next Gen. I think mevidev's almost fallen into last out of that pack now because I think sits a pass. He kind of made up for his bad US Open with the semi final, he almost beating Jockovich team. Obviously great tournament at US thereof did well the US. Shapovalov did well the US. He had a bad French Open. But yeah, for me, mevedev's now kind of falling behind those guys. Yeah, yeah, he needs he's lucky and how to hit a ball with spinning. Yeah, he's getting lucky. He's going to get lucky later on in the year with his whole ranking situation as well, because he won so many tournaments and made so many finals in masters and stuff from August on, like are they should have after wheels the last year. So he's gonna get a very lucky yeah, I hate those tournaments so much. It's like Sable Anka, like she always wins, like the Chinese. Yeah, the Chinese tournaments like way highland stuff. It's like, Oh my God, everyone's so tired by that point, like no one really cares like Jack sock. But yeah, that's that's all I've got. I don't know if any of...

...you want to have a final word. Well, I was just thinking. I think will be very interesting because I think this year it's been very easy for new players or like upandcoming players to win and like burst through because obviously everyone's not playing and like, for example, the women, but Bodi's not playing. So body May as May could have retained her championship if she came to like we don't know how she would have played against Swinetech. So I think it would be interesting because I feel for US Open. I feel because we are currently, hopefully we're low in Rona cases and we are such a compared to America and France, we are such a low covid case place that I think players will be like Oh, they are so much safer than most of these countries. I'll I'll attend this tournament and obviously all the high seed players like body, because it's a straight lea shore show play and I think most, mostly, everyone will play. So be interesting to see how swie tech plays against everyone and everyone being back and how sinner plays against everyone. So be interesting. It'll be interesting as well, because these tournaments have been so random and like different to every other year. Even though these join up, it will be different in some ways. It's the start of the season any way. So there's probably going to be two weeks of pre pre tournament in Australia, people will play and then they'll be the Australian Open. It's I'll be a bit weird'll seem a bit like a normal start of the season normally, whereas the moment this whole situation is so different that people can capitalize on a bit more adaptable, whereas next year kind of will go back to normal, at least for the beginning. I'm not sure how they'll do things going on after that, but leash the start of the year and hopefully they release some cheeky ground passes and there's some snaggy matches. I could be interested. Like Center, center will be on like caught five and like Nadia will be like if she called by, she'll be like on that kind of what over there that there will be a lot of good players next year and yeah, differing points in their career but yeah, looking forward to that. As camp said, hopefully there are grand power glasses for the odds open. There might be some more tanning content. Yeah, exactly. There might be more tennis content coming later in the OU. Don't know what's going to happen, but there's not too many big tournaments left, so that potentially may not be and I don't know if I'll stay a die hard for the rest of the year, but we'll find out see if I can or not. But yet thanks for joining me today, fells. It's been a late one, worry, but really appreciate it on your Monday night and you've gotten this far. World done. Thanks for listening and yeah, let's let's keep rolling to that episode a hundred. So you guys just cheese.

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